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i got in touch with the guys at whitetailworld.com and they told me there has been a lot of interest in this albino buck and it is not the one by fountain city. i guess they have footage and pictures of this giant albino every year he has been alive. he was born in 2000 so he is 6 this year. they told me to look for a story with pictures and video to come shortly. here is the link again: http://www.whitetailworld.com/trophyroom/deer/unique-pictures/15/Image.aspx

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Thanks for the update Booner. I have been trying to find the pick of the Fountain city booner Albino, but have not been able to find them. I would like to see the story behind this one too.

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Cool pics guys!!HCH

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[quote][Lildevock that was a very good response. I wish our discussion had started that way. I never said that it had to be killed. I stated that the law protecting it was insane. I could care less if someone shoots it that is their personal choice. I just don't like it when the choice is taken away from the individual by the local government for absolutely no good reason.
/quote]

TX hoghunter, I thoughtLildevock had a great response also. The problem with individual choice in this case would always mean death to the albino deer. There are so many out there that can not see the value of a rare animal. They are not happy unless there is a bullet in every living creature out there. They should take some time offto rest their trigger finger and just watch and appreciate nature for a while.

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here is a pic to look at of the monster albino we are talking about.

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WOW! So much for albino deer being inferior.

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that was my thought exactly!!! i can't wait to see the story on this monster freak.

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Just reading along and thought I'd post since I'm new to hunting. Is Wisconson, in a way, promoting that they would like a white deer herd in their state by not allowing hunters to shoot them? I'm sure there are more regular tone deer there but, it seems like there are lots of instances in Wisconson where people know of white deer. Just curious

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Wisconsin seems to be worried about what non-hunters would think if they allowed the deer that everybody in the community watchs and takes pictures of to be killed. Despite all the pictures, most Wisconsinites only see one or two white deer in a liftime. The DNR has been talking about opening up white deer to be hunted. So it could change.

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Here's an idea.....

Just send these photos to as many people as you can.....so that everyone can finallyhave the opportunity to see one of these things.

Then....let's shoot 'em.

Jeff

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I think it takes three cycles of breeding for the genes to show up.

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what do you mean by this?

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sweet looking pictures guys!!

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couple things that need to be corrected


1. albinism is NOT a MUTATION...it is simply the showing of a pair of recessive alleles in the animals genetic code

2. "AA" would be called homozygous dominant animal or a normal deer not carrying the albino allele..."aa" would be called homozygous recessive or known as an albino deer...if you cross "AA" X "aa" then you would get 100% heterozygous animals or normal deer that are carrying the albino allele in their genetic code

3. if you cross "Aa" X "aa"...a carrier with albino...you would get 50% heterzygous animals or carriers of the albino allele...and 50% homozygous recessive or albino deer...

just to clear things up...but you were on the right track!!

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Well here in KY any deer is legal game. Only time ive seen an albino was in Ohio COunty, KY while on the way to the bank with my grandpa in the second weekend of rifle season. I looked off into a cornfield and not 50 yards from a VERY busy road, i saw a huge mainframe 5x5 chasing a solid white albino doe(pink eyes). I laughed thinking on how hard that decision would be if i was sittin there with a rifle in my hand.

For a gov't to protect a deer because of its color is ignorant. it's no different than protecting racks over a certain size because they too, are "special".

I kno this is kind of off the subject,but has anyone seen a solid black deer or beter yet a buck? since albino is rcessive gene and not a mutation, does this make a black deer a mutated deer? how do they become black, and are these even more rare than a white/albino deer?

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Id like to see the pink eyes in a closeup pic. Id like to see some pics of black deer also. Ive seen one albino doe here in Va. been about 5 yrs ago and it was in someones front yard. :DStill wanted to throw lead at it. ;)

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Very cool!!!We have alot of white deer around senca lake ny, they have been locked up in that airforce base for years. NOT albinos though. I arrowed a nice piebal doe a bunch of years ago. no pics...it was back in the 35mm days. unless someone knows how to post 35mms???

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ive been readin along, and....all I can say is wow....I know I'd be so mad and depressed if that magnificent albino buck was puttin' round my stand...Ive seen a good buck here in my town in Connecticut, scores around the 160s. Only one guy has had the chance to harvest it, but instead of shooting it, he just filmed it...if that were me, he woulda been on the wall so fast it wouldnt even be funny, haha. There's a whole bunch of albinos in Groton, CT, but they're messed up because their parents and all that ate waste that came from a powerplant, and had albino fawns,or so the story goes...


-Travis-

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First off, I am not saying that the big buck in question here is, or is not albino, what pictures I could see (my work has a program that filters out pictures). He is a magnificent animal, would certainly look good above my fireplace.

But, there is an important point here and that is that there are TWO different kinds of white deer.. One is an albino, the OTHER is piebald. They are not the same. A piebald deer may, or may not, be all white. A piebald deer is not genetically inferior. A piebald deer does not have pink eyes and generally has black/brown hooves and often has brown spots or blotches. A piebald deer is the result of a recessive gene and is a white deer. Kind of like a yellow labrador is not an albino lab but just a white or yellow colored dog from a breed that is mostly black. Or just an odd color phase of squirrel. They aren't inferior genetically and often tend to be outstanding animals. In some areas of the country, piebald deer are not uncommon at all. Where we are in Miss, while you won't see a piebald deer very often, I would not consider them extremely rare, several are killed every year. Two years ago, if memory serves me right, there was a B/C buck killed in the delta that was piebald. Where we hunt there are several, including a wiley old doe that many have been after for a long time.They are highly prized and hunted to be mounted.

An albino deer is all white, has pink eyes, and like stated in previous posts, tend to be genetically inferior. They generally don't make it but a couple of years because they tend to be weaker and disease prone as are albinos of most species (including human). Albino deer, unlike piebald, are actually very rare.

I think that unless the state law specifies piebald, a hunter that shot a piebald and was charged with shooting an albino would have an excellent defence.

Hank

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Definetly, and wouldnt even need a lawyer i bet. Good point man.there is a very strong difference in the two.

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Interesting post. I started reading it and it immediately pulled me in. [&:]

Are you sure about this, ahankster? I've read numerous articles which state the opposite. According to what I've read, piebalds have a series of common health problems, including joint problems and cronic eye infections. Furthermore, their legs are often times shorter than other deer.

As far as killing an albino or a piebald, somebody mentioned that perhaps they're protected so that more people have a chance to see one in their lifetimes... I'll go out on a limb an say that most hunters haven't seen a 200+ inch trophy whitetail,either (including myself). Does that mean we should let THEM walk if they happen to stroll by our stands during hunting season? The state governments ought to outlaw killing BIG BUCKS too! ;)

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Yep, I think I'd have to shoot that bruiser and spraypaint him brown. :D

Be hard to let a 200 inch 8 point go.

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Jimbo,
I certainlydo not have any credentials as a "Whitetail Biologist" but I do have a fair amount of experience and knowledge. Also have access to biologist on our staff.

The issues you bring up, joint problems, eye problems and disease are generally attributed to albanism, not color phase. I have heard that piebald's have some of the things you speak of, but the experience and what we have seen with piebalds is that these things are not connected with being piebald. It may be a geographic feature that occures in certain locals. True albino's do not have the gene for normal coloration and do not produce the enzyme responsible for skin, hair and tissue coloration. Albinism is the total absence of body pigment. The eyes of an albino are pink, because blood vessels behind the lenses show through the unpigmented irises.

Not all white deer are true albinos. Some white whitetails have normally pigmented noses, eyes and hooves. This is a genetic mutation for hair color but not other pigments. Most piebald deer are not totally white, they are only partially so. It is kind of like the pigment of the hair on their bellies and inside their ears didn't get the signal as to where to start or stop.

One would also think that piebalds would be easy prey because they are in stark contrast to their surroundings and other deer. We have found that they are harder to kill because they somehow know that they are so easy to spot.

Hank

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Hank- I am not disputing that there is a distinct difference between an albino and a piebald. Nor am I questioning what makes an albino versus a piebald. I understand all of that. I am simply stating that I have seen many different sources which have stated that, like albinos, piebald deer have health issues and have an inferior genetic makeup. My former beliefs could be inaccurate though.
I've been known to make mistakes before- just ask my wife. :eek:;)

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here in wisconsin if it would have brown patched it could be legally shot and if thats the case i would get him a full body mount

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id love to see an albino n e thing around my place

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Piebalds and Albinos are, genetically, very different...Maybe a reason some piebalds have trouble in the wild is because of their color...I would love to hear from a real Biologist this is a very interesting subject...

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Yea its the same in IL its illegal to shoot them. It's definatly interesting to see them but you don't want them in your herd so I personly think they should change that law.