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Kybuckhunter 01-21-2006 09:50 PM

Would you turn in someone you know?
 
If someone you know killed more deer than they are allowed or didn't tag a deer would you turn them it to the law.

farm hunter 01-21-2006 10:03 PM

RE: Would you turn in someone you know?
 
You didn't offer:

"No I would not turn them in."


Your poll is skewed

FH



one on one 01-21-2006 10:06 PM

RE: Would you turn in someone you know?
 
would talk to them about their violation, then it would be up to them.

BowHuntingFool 01-21-2006 10:46 PM

RE: Would you turn in someone you know?
 
I really don't put myself in this situation, I don't associate or hunt with the type that break game laws! Lets just say I keep it 100% legal!:)

CamoCop 01-21-2006 11:45 PM

RE: Would you turn in someone you know?
 
depends on the violation and if it's ongoing. everyone makes mistakes but if it's a total disreguard for the law...it's a different ball game.

cardeer 01-22-2006 02:22 AM

RE: Would you turn in someone you know?
 
Blackmail them

Sylvan 01-22-2006 03:22 AM

RE: Would you turn in someone you know?
 

If someone you know killed more deer than they are allowed or didn't tag a deer would you turn them it to the law.
Where I hunt there are plenty of deer and plenty of tags available. Even with the cut back in dmp's (doe permits) here in NY I still had 4 tags of my own and here in NY you can "sign over" dmp's to another hunter so If I really wanted the tags I could have 6. I really don't want more than 2 deer a year and I can't imagine anybody "needing" more deer than they are entitled to. That being said, however, If somebody wants to take an extra deer or two that they don't have tags for and they're not going to waste the meat then fine, I really don't care. It's not going to hurt me or the deer herd. So given all that, my answer is no. I wouldn't say a thing to anybody. Now if I lived in a different area and the situation was much different, I might not feel the same way.

buckhunter14 01-22-2006 05:57 AM

RE: Would you turn in someone you know?
 
I usually go talk to the person and ask he/she what they are doing. Then let them have the decision of being the bigger man/woman in the situation.

DoctorDeath 01-22-2006 06:02 AM

RE: Would you turn in someone you know?
 
I think it would depend on the violation ...I would try and talk to the hunter ..maybe try to reason with him and explain my opinion ..but unless it was a case of poaching ...deliberate tresspassing ..road hunting or theft I doubt I would turn them in ...I am not the German Gustopo .

dd

jcchartboy 01-22-2006 06:08 AM

RE: Would you turn in someone you know?
 
No...

BTBowhunter 01-22-2006 06:18 AM

RE: Would you turn in someone you know?
 
It would depend on the violation. Shooting out of a car, killing and wasting game, poaching at night, poaching out of season....If it's on my hunting turf, someones gonna get hurt. Then I'm calling it in and I'll testify.

As for the dumb stuff or honest mistakes. I'd probably talk to the guy or be quietand just mumble to myself about it.

Sylvan 01-22-2006 07:02 AM

RE: Would you turn in someone you know?
 

It would depend on the violation. Shooting out of a car, killing and wasting game, poaching at night, poaching out of season....
I didn't read the question that way. I thought we were just talking about somebody taking an extra deer they didn't have a tag for, not jacklighting or taking the animal in a non legal or unsportsmanlike manner.

Original question...

If someone you know killed more deer than they are allowed or didn't tag a deer would you turn them it to the law.
I think we should be clear on this or the poll won't have much meaning...

NY Bowhunter 01-22-2006 08:07 AM

RE: Would you turn in someone you know?
 
I'd turn in my own mother.

.44 Cooter 01-22-2006 08:20 AM

RE: Would you turn in someone you know?
 

I think I would pretend the law breaker was an illegal alien and I was the US Govt. I'd look the other way. :)

Seriously, I wouldn’t continue to hunt with someone who broke the law, but I doubt I'd turn them in unless it was very serious.

Ifly 01-22-2006 08:45 AM

RE: Would you turn in someone you know?
 
No...well again..it's according to if I like them or not.

enginegrunt 01-22-2006 08:49 AM

RE: Would you turn in someone you know?
 
It depends on the situation. If they were shooting a big buck and didn't have a permit. Probably. Now if the situation was they needed some meet and were struggling No

Lanse couche couche 01-22-2006 09:38 AM

RE: Would you turn in someone you know?
 
There are a lot of "ifs" involved. To use some non-hunting analogies, I'm not going to turn someone in forrunninga stop sign or driving70 in a65 zone. But a drunk driver or teenager driving recklessly all over the interstate will have me grabbing for the cell phone. By the same token, if someone is spotlighting deer for their racks, or hunting waterfowl during nesting season, I'll call the law in a New York minute. But I'm not going to lose sleep over someone dropping a deer 5 minutes before legal shooting hours.

James B 01-22-2006 09:44 AM

RE: Would you turn in someone you know?
 
If they were wasting game or shooting out of season, I might turn them in. Its hard to say as nothing like that has ever happened to me. I did turn in a neigbor once for chasing deer off the fields on opening morning.

Kybuckhunter 01-22-2006 10:31 AM

RE: Would you turn in someone you know?
 
I posted this poll because of the complaints that people have with telecheck in Kentucky. Many people blame all the problems on the telecheck system. There is non stop crying about how some are getting away with taking more deer than they should (a one buck per year here) but they do nothing about it. I just think if they aren't going to do anything about the known violations then they should shut their cry baby pie hole. They want to blamethe system but don't want to do anything to make it better.

hillbillyhunter1 01-22-2006 11:53 AM

RE: Would you turn in someone you know?
 
As I believe both Lanse and James B. indicated, violations vary, as well as the likelihood of myself reporting the violater. I have called the law for one incident regarding game law violation. In that instance, the violater wasted several animals by leaving them lay. I couldn't stomach that and did the right thing I believe.

This person was someone I know, but do not consider a friend. I've never had to question the ethics of my true friends

uncle matt 01-22-2006 12:10 PM

RE: Would you turn in someone you know?
 
I would - and have - turned in my own mother. What happened was that my Mom was suddenly coming up with delicious venison dishes. I mean EVERY Sunday (and usually another day of the week) she was coming by withawesome roasts, steaks and loins. I kept wondering, "where is she getting all the meat?". (I knew how much of my kills I had gave her). So I decided to investigate. I fitted her car with a GPS transmitter so that I could find the car at anytime. The transmiter was also set up to transmit an alarm signalanytime the vehicle moved.

So one night as I was putting on my pajamas I received an alarm from the transmitter. It was 1 in the morning. As the Mrs. was seductively calling me to bed in some of Fredrick's latest offerings (knew it was Fredrick's cause I saw it on the charge card bill) I told her, "A man's gotta do what a man's gotta do."

I started the old Dodge and let her warm up til the tailpipe smoke subsided. I looked at my GPS and saw that she was headed out into the deep woods and farm fields.As I traveled thru the cold moon-lit night,I wondered to myself, "Self, just what exactly could Mom be doing way out here?"

As I got closer, to her position, I could see that her vehicle had been stopped on the road. As I came down the road I turned my headlamps off and activated the Dodge's IG night vision system (we all have that option on our trucks - right?). As I slowly approached, I saw three figures dragging a couple of dead deer towards the vehicle. I suddenly shined my spotlight on them and took them by suprise! WHAMMO! YOU'RE BUSTED!

There they were, my Mom and some of the shadier members of the local Bunko group. They were, if you don't mind the pun - like deer in the headlights. Standing there in their hair rollers, camoflauged nightgowns and robes - blood on their hands and blood smeared on their faces like Indians celebrating after a large kill. The deer had only very small puncture wounds, bothdirectly to the heart. "It must have been very quick kills", I thought. Then, suddenly one of them tried to run but quickly lost a slipper and gave it up. As I approached they quickly realized it was me and tried to play it smooth. They tried to tell me old farmer Biggs had asked them to thin the herd out because he was taking a big hit on his crops.

I saw thru their thin story and quizzed them.

"If Biggs wanted you to thin the herd, then why wouldn't you do it legally, in the daylight?"

They stood there, dumbfounded, with their blowguns, knitting and barbed crotcheting needles.

I told them to leave the deer where they were, that I had alerted the authorities and they were on the way.

When the Martha Stewart police arrived, they were all processed, cited and released onbond which they used their AAR bond cards for. Charges included illegal use of knitting needles (for all 3), illegal use of crotcheting equipment (for all 3), use of unapproved crotcheting equipment (barbs are illegal here in IL),failure to secure a slipper (1 count), failure to wear a nightgown or robe with atleast 400 sq. in. of blaze orange and hunting after dusk (3 counts).

Fortunately, Trooper Stewart allowed me to take possesion of the 2 does and get the meat to a good cause - the UMS Club.

When they appeared before the judge, they were quite fortunate. It seems the judge's wife was also a long standing member of the Bunko club and he went easy on them. They were each sentenced to bake cookies, cakes and pies for the courthouse Christmas party.

Now, seriously. I would have a problem with someone intentionally violating game laws. BUT I would need to know ALL of the facts before I would turn them in. The most important of the facts would be if anyone was injured/harmed by their acts, COULD someone have been injured or killed did they trespass in order to commit their acts, or were they setting a bad example for youngsters.

North Texan 01-22-2006 12:10 PM

RE: Would you turn in someone you know?
 
Like others have said, it depends on the violation. For instance, if they shoot a button buck and have already shot a buck (one-buck county), I probably wouldn't say anything. That has happened once before, where the buttons were visible only upon close inspection of the deer. The hunter thought it was a doe, and only until he pointed it out did I realize it was a doe.

If it's an intentional violation, Iwould contact Texas Parks and Wildlife. I've never actually had this problem with anyone I know or that actually has permission to hunt, and don't anticipate it happening.

Kybuckhunter 01-22-2006 02:47 PM

RE: Would you turn in someone you know?
 
Uncle Matt...we have to watch those old ladies around here also. They busted a ring of blue haired bandits taking bald eagle eggs from the nest last year. Seems the eagle eggs make some of the best cake you can eat. They caught the old girl coming down the tree with egg on he face, so to speak. She managed to get in a few good punches on the officers and made it to the get away car where three more of the gang were waiting. A high speed chase across three counties came to an end when the car they were drive skidded out of control killingall four members of the outlaw gang. It just goes to show you that crime doesn't pay.

Lanse couche couche 01-22-2006 02:58 PM

RE: Would you turn in someone you know?
 
That reminds me of an incident several years ago. I was out hunting rabbits with my mother when she jumped a hen pheasant. Now Mom knew that pheasants were out of season and it was illegal to shoot a hen, but she did anyway. When she bent over to pick it up, I butt-stroked her behind the left ear with my 870 Wingmaster. I then knelt on her chest to keep her subdued while i dialed the Game Warden on my cell phone. Well, after 8 stitches and72 hours of sharing the county jail shower with a couple of 200 pound women with flat-top mullet hair-cuts, Mother decided to follow the game laws to the the letter from then on.

uncle matt 01-22-2006 03:48 PM

RE: Would you turn in someone you know?
 
Alright it seems that the illicit activities with these women seem to increase with age. We will have to evaluate the facts to try and determine a common denominator in order to dampen these activities.

Do we know if these other women were "Bunko" players also? It could be these so-called "Bunko parties" may just be a front. They very well might be using these fronts as a base of operations. It seems suspicious to me that these so called "Bunko parties" are held in a different locations, never the same location two weeks in a row. Intresting, very intresting.

What have I started?




Lanse couche couche 01-22-2006 03:57 PM

RE: Would you turn in someone you know?
 
Well, my Mom doesn't do Bunko, but, even worse, she is a member of the Church of Christ. But, everytime she starts her crap about, "God gave us dominion over the animals," I just tell her to feel behind her left ear. That shuts her up.

James B 01-22-2006 06:03 PM

RE: Would you turn in someone you know?
 
Man! The things you hear when you don't have your hip waders on.;)

ALHunter74 01-22-2006 06:09 PM

RE: Would you turn in someone you know?
 
Umm, no. It would need to be a much more severe crime for me to say something.

kevin1 01-23-2006 05:35 AM

RE: Would you turn in someone you know?
 
If it were an honest mistake no , especially if they ask for the GW's phone number so they can report it themselves , poachers get no mercy no matter who they are .

texas8point 01-23-2006 05:45 AM

RE: Would you turn in someone you know?
 
If your my buddy you wont have the law called, if your not my buddy..........you's goin to jail.

NY Harvester 01-26-2006 06:45 AM

RE: Would you turn in someone you know?
 
Who's laws being broke ? Mans or Gods??? :D
If someone was using a civil warcannon or somthin like that, thenthey deserve what they get.If they take an animal 5 min. early or 5 min. late... I don't think I would say anything.
On that note,here's a question for the experts:Do the native indians have the same fish and gamelaws as the non native person?

Kybuckhunter 01-26-2006 08:38 AM

RE: Would you turn in someone you know?
 
NY Harvester... we are to follow mans laws unless they conflict with Gods laws.

As for the Native Americans I think they have certain rights that the government has given them as it's part of they culture, like being able to collect bald eagle feathers or taking salmon from certain steams that are closed to everyone else.

bigcountry 01-26-2006 10:49 AM

RE: Would you turn in someone you know?
 
As a Christian, Ky talks the truth. Like it or not, one needs to follow the law. Or one day you will be held accountable.

bigcountry 01-26-2006 10:50 AM

RE: Would you turn in someone you know?
 
But I still wouldn't rat out my friends. Not for a deer that are hit on the highways every day.

121553 01-26-2006 11:24 AM

RE: Would you turn in someone you know?
 
It would have to do with the circumstances on the situation. For one thing, I don't make it a habit of narcing people out. I see wildlife violations made almost every time I go fishing or hunting. People catching more perch than need be or even a kid shooting a doe along the right of way with his dad. I also know of individuals that subsidize there meat because they actually need it. This place up here seems like everyone knows everyone or at least reconizises them, usually turning someone in wouldn't be a very good ideal. If you were hunting with me and did something stupid, you wouldn't need to worry about any law, but I would certainly let you know about it and there wouldn't be a next time.

Bobby

Kybuckhunter 01-26-2006 01:17 PM

RE: Would you turn in someone you know?
 
I don't understand why some think it's being a rat or narcing someone out for breaking the law. What if he was a drug dealer or killed someone? Would you turn them in then.

Why should I follow the law and kill my one buck per year and the next guy kills as many as he wants?Why even have game laws? What or who gives one guy the right to be above the law?

I just hate hearing some guys complain about other hunters killing too many deer or not checking them in and then doing absolutely nothing about it. People are always blaming the system but the system is fine it the people that screw it up.

Southern Buck 01-26-2006 04:48 PM

RE: Would you turn in someone you know?
 
absolutly not there is no way that i would tattle on someone i know thats shoots more deer than the quota. i have a family member that kill at least 4 over tha limit. and he doesnt waste the meat. he gives it to freinds family and anyone who wants the meat. so its not like its this terrible thing.

bigcountry 01-26-2006 06:29 PM

RE: Would you turn in someone you know?
 

ORIGINAL: Kybuckhunter

I don't understand why some think it's being a rat or narcing someone out for breaking the law. What if he was a drug dealer or killed someone? Would you turn them in then.

Why should I follow the law and kill my one buck per year and the next guy kills as many as he wants?
Cause its worrying about other things than you should be. You should be worrying about your gear, your stradegies, your shot. Too many people in the hunting community careso much about what another guyshunts with, how big thier deer are.

I got friends who are drug dealers. Igrew up with these guys. I don't want to see them injail. I know people who claim standard 500 for charity on tax's even though they wouldn't give a dime to anyone. I see people run thru red lights every day. You got to worry about yourself. You can't police the world. I bet if I watched you real hard, I could find something to tattle on you about.

hillbillyhunter1 01-26-2006 07:30 PM

RE: Would you turn in someone you know?
 

Do the native indians have the same fish and gamelaws as the non native person?

I believe native americans can do about anything anytime when it comes to fishing/hunting on their reservation,(I lived near the Crow reservation for a short while and fished there--Bighorn river, MT--a lot)no regulation at all there for them I believe. Outside that, I'm pretty sure they're like anyone else.

chickenjohn42 01-26-2006 07:47 PM

RE: Would you turn in someone you know?
 
I try not to hunt with those kind of folk's [:@][:@][:@]


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