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ok ok, all jokes aside. I have come to a solution to the problem gents. Here we go.

I think the difference between you two and I is this. I am more confident in my gun and shooting ability than you two are with your guns. And thats fine. Who cares, as long as you can hit the deer in thekill zone. But I don't see any need in shooting a box of expensive shells on a gun that I've hunted with for 4.5 years, on a gun that I've never missed with, on a gun that has held its zero with for 4.5 years, on a gun that hits golf ball groups at 100 yards with. Why do so? Confidence? prolly so. I am comfortable shooting my gun. I only check to see if its hitting in or around what its been hitting at for the past 4.5 years that I've hunted with it. You two, may not feel as confident with your ability/gun therefore you feel the need to shoot all day. Fine.

Second, don't try to talk to me about eithics and deer hunting, I am the number one guy that is pro deer ethics, take a look at my post when talking about deer and ethics and why I am going to school to be a game warden. I am always preaching to my family members that hunt, to shoot their guns before the season starts to make sure the gun is sighted in. I have one that bought a new gun and scope, put it on the gun and then took it hunting without even shooting it. Some it make take a whole box of shells, some it may take all day, for me it taks just a few shots. don't like it, well, can't help you there. Thats just me, I was raised to eat what you kill and kill to eat or starve. My grandparents raised me. This is how we ate during the winter, and during the summer, we ate fish. I never seen my pa go to the store for anything other than milk and bread. We had meat, fish, chickens (eggs) and thats all I ate.

So now to stop thread jacking. Yes, if Deersmoker wants to hunt bear and elk I'd choose between the 300 or the 7mm or bigger. Just choose what your comfortable with and if money is a problem go with what gets the job done and is cost effective.

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But I don't see any need in shooting a box of expensive shells on a gun that I've hunted with for 4.5 years, on a gun that I've never missed with, on a gun that has held its zero with for 4.5 years, on a gun that hits golf ball groups at 100 yards with. Why do so? Confidence? prolly so. I am comfortable shooting my gun. I only check to see if its hitting in or around what its been hitting at for the past 4.5 years that I've hunted with it.

Wow a whole 4.5 years of hunting and never missed,what an accomplishment.With all that experience I can see why you are so confident in your abilities.All that experience certainly qualifies you as an expert on the subject.:D:D:D

By the way,the word is probably not"prolly".:eek:

ok, all this talk about maturity and your just being childish. I've hunted all my life. I hunted Deer 4.5 years. The question in hand here is not experience, its confidence. Could I be more confident with just 4.5 years of deer hunting under my belt than you with how ever many years of deer hunting? Why of course.

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Wow a whole 4.5 years of hunting and never missed, what an accomplishment. With all that experience I can see why you are so confident in your abilities. All that experience certainly qualifies you as an expert on the subject

I honestly don't see anything wrong with that Mr. smarty pants. Yes that is an accomplishment. with all the idiots out there wounding deer, I'll give myself an A+. I can't believe such an ethical hunter such as your self is not happy with someone humanly killing all the deer they've shot at over a period of 4.5 years. I'd give anyone a pat on the back for that.

don't be made cause the rookie comes in and has more confidence in his/her ability at shooting their own gun that you do old timer. If anyone needs to grow up its you. Anyone can agree that the question here is confidence level and not experience. Sure confidence comes with experience, some just pick it up faster than others.

so lets stop of the name calling and figure this out. Confidence verses Experience. That is whats on the table.

You sound more arrogant tham confident.:D:D:D

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WOW!!Can't you have a mature conversation with someone that doesn't agree with your "old school" rules?

Ok, lets not avoid the subject at hand Mr. Maturity.If you can't answer the question then just admit to it. First you need toGROW UP.

Could it be that the young newbie (me) shoots better than the old timer (you) and you think I should follow your rules, the way you've done them for 100 years or how ever old you are??

Maybe I just have a knack for shooting. Maybe you have to work at it. Confidence verses Experience? Which is it?

One thing us young college kids learn in school is to converse, debate, discuss and educate ourselves. We learn to listen and only speak about things we know for sure and not just shoot off at the mouth. If you can't honestly answer the question or come up with some evidence that experience is better than confidence or even have a "grown up" discussion about it then I just rest my case. I am willing to try it "your" way, if you will, I mean, CAN tell me why and what reason for? Can you tell me that your experience level is better than my confidence level? Can you prove to me that it is. Can you prove that your wide range of experiences can make you a better shooter than I, having a higher confidence level than you? I believe the confidence wins over the experience level because with all that experience, on that one shot, you may flinch or aim too high. Like I said, I am willing to listen to your debate and put it to a test. But if your just going to act like a kid then I'd rather not even listen to anything you have to say. I still stand on my decision.

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First you need toGROW UP

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ever try a redneck dictionary written by Chuck Norris?

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Who needs to grow up?:D:D:D

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Who needs to grow up

Oh me, that’s a good one, way to avoid the discussion. Your pretty "smart" I think your just a silly little bastard. Its obvious that you need to and also need to take a lesson in humor. Don't get all riled up on a net message board. You might have a heart attack, break a hip or have some high blood pressure problems. I also like to fill my life with humor and laughter as much as possible. Life’s too short to go around mad/sad/depressed/upset all the time. I love to laugh, I love to make others laugh.

I rest my case. Your just full of it. You don't have a clue of what your doing or talking about. I am glad you don' t hunt anywhere near me.

BTW, how does it feel to get schooled by some newbie that doesn’t' t know anything. Maybe you should try to get up to speed with reality. You can't even have a discussion. You said I needed to learn something in school. I say you never even went to school. When you get ready to edumacate yourself and finish this discussion I'll be here. Still killing my deer with one shot, with shooting my gun only once or twice before the season starts.

this is why you pay around 50-75 bucks on a bore sighting tool. When the rifle is zeroed the way you want. make a target and put the gun in a vise aimed at it. mark where the laser is on the paper so you can do it again before hunting to see if the laser dot is where its suppose to be on the paper.

See I thought about getting one of those but what I do is just shoot and make adjustments till I get on the paper. Then I make my corrections from there. I have sighted in my scope using only 4 shots. But thats only if I get luck and the bullet is on the paper. I sighted mine in when I first started deer hunting and then from there I just shoot once or twice before the season starts to make doubly sure that I haven't bumped the scope or anything like that.

it works pretty well. i also shoot mine sometimes as well just depending on which gun im shooting. both ways will work fine.