New Texas 'Spread' laws...
12-19-2005 | 03:05 PM
#21
Nontypical Buck
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From: collin county, TX
RE: New Texas 'Spread' laws...
ORIGINAL: m.t.hands
not if they handle it like they do the fishing, i have measured and remeasured fish to be sure they kept for tournament weigh-ins only, all are released, once on a famous texas lake gw comes up and wants to check my fish, i give him one he hands it back, i give him the second and he turns and puts it in the water, i get very very irate, he ask if i would have rather had a citation, the fish was 21" measured in accordance to tp&w standards, not even a 1/32 short but this j/a took it upon himself to be judge and jury( he never fanned the tail or anything)[:@],like i said i wouldn't count on tp&w cuttin me any slack, i still ended up in 7th in the tournament, but that legal fish cost me about 400 in winnings, up till that day i had the utmost respect for the gw's, but know i realize some of em go to school to become real "professionels" not all but a few
BTW the spread law soundsbad to me
I'm pretty sure if it's close enough the warden will let you off, that would only be right...
BTW the spread law soundsbad to me
I would bet everything Ihave that the "slack" any
TPWDgame warden shows will be very few and very
far between. I have no problem with theGW, they have
a hard job and I respect them. This is just anotherreason
I'm against this whole idea on a state wide basis. GW's
have enough to dowithout policing atrophy management
system. They will haveNO reasonto cut anyone any
slackfor a few tenthsof and inch andwould be negligent
if they did.That in itself is enough reason to leave them
out of antler management.
I still don't know why only land owners who are granted
MLD permits can shootdoes in so many counties and then
they canshoot SCORES of them. This is enough of a
head scratcher to show meTPWD is going in the wrong
direction.
Thanks for the outlet.
PK
12-19-2005 | 03:11 PM
#22
Nontypical Buck
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From: collin county, TX
RE: New Texas 'Spread' laws...
ORIGINAL: TX_Hoghunter
How does it sound bad? The havest is the same, the deer are just bigger. I repeat how is that bad?
-john
How does it sound bad? The havest is the same, the deer are just bigger. I repeat how is that bad?
-john
TX_Hoghunter,
I apologize for hi-jacking this post and really appreciate
the dialogue. My question is, are the deer really going to
be bigger? Or are the racks going to be bigger? I don't
believe antler management will create bigger deer.
Thanks again,
PK
12-19-2005 | 03:30 PM
#23
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RE: New Texas 'Spread' laws...
He prolly meant bigger racks, and with the same number of deer being taken in these counties is there really a problem with it (Honest question, not being a smart A)????
Also, to the other dude,you can hold your fish while you measure its length... I'd really enjoy seeing you hold the deer to measure its length before you kill it
Game Warden on measuring fish that you were supposed to measureis the apple, Game Warden on measuring deer antlers that you tried to judge the length onis the orange... don't compare apples to oranges...
Also, to the other dude,you can hold your fish while you measure its length... I'd really enjoy seeing you hold the deer to measure its length before you kill it
Game Warden on measuring fish that you were supposed to measureis the apple, Game Warden on measuring deer antlers that you tried to judge the length onis the orange... don't compare apples to oranges...
12-19-2005 | 03:38 PM
#24
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From: Caddo Mills, TX
RE: New Texas 'Spread' laws...
First I hunt a $600 a year lease that is full of hogs, deer, ducks, and fish....I know lots of people that drop more money and I might in one day but not now. It is 1100 acres and there are 8 of us on it. Only 3 of us hunt hard. I have included a pic of the type of deer you can shot if you let them grow up a little.
The purpose of the restrictions is to increase the age of the deer harvested. An older deer is a bigger deer. The larger antlers go with the age. The stated purpose is to correct the current age structure of the herd. The harvest only went down the first year after that it met or exceeded the long term average. The increase oppurtunity will come when they also allow you to take a spike, That will turn the one buck counties into 2 buck counties.
-john
P.S. And no there are no opening on the lease.....LOL.
The purpose of the restrictions is to increase the age of the deer harvested. An older deer is a bigger deer. The larger antlers go with the age. The stated purpose is to correct the current age structure of the herd. The harvest only went down the first year after that it met or exceeded the long term average. The increase oppurtunity will come when they also allow you to take a spike, That will turn the one buck counties into 2 buck counties.
-john
P.S. And no there are no opening on the lease.....LOL.
12-19-2005 | 03:49 PM
#25
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From: collin county, TX
RE: New Texas 'Spread' laws...
Thanks GobblerTX, I'm pretty sure that's what he meant
and I'm even more sure that's what this program is designed
for, which makes it a trophy management program at the
expense of ALL hunters.
Again, I would not be near as outspoken on this if it
was'nt so clearly set up to appease or benefit the hunter
whose main reason for hunting is to mount a bigger rack than
he did last season. I can not support the continued direction
deer hunting is taking inTX of "to the highest bidder", and
don't even try to tell me this is'nthappening. The numbers
I've seen advertised in TX is 99% of the land is private and
yet we still manage to get over a million acres for public
hunting, and now that 1% could be put under QUALITY ANTLER
MANAGEMENT!! If you want to groom the deer on your land
I say more power to you. But I still don't think TPWD should
be forcing this on all hunters or all land owners.
PK
and I'm even more sure that's what this program is designed
for, which makes it a trophy management program at the
expense of ALL hunters.
Again, I would not be near as outspoken on this if it
was'nt so clearly set up to appease or benefit the hunter
whose main reason for hunting is to mount a bigger rack than
he did last season. I can not support the continued direction
deer hunting is taking inTX of "to the highest bidder", and
don't even try to tell me this is'nthappening. The numbers
I've seen advertised in TX is 99% of the land is private and
yet we still manage to get over a million acres for public
hunting, and now that 1% could be put under QUALITY ANTLER
MANAGEMENT!! If you want to groom the deer on your land
I say more power to you. But I still don't think TPWD should
be forcing this on all hunters or all land owners.
PK
12-19-2005 | 03:56 PM
#26
Nontypical Buck
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From: collin county, TX
RE: New Texas 'Spread' laws...
TX Hoghunter,
That's a great looking deer, and you did answer my
next question about available spots.[X(]
Again, an individual deciding to manage the
deer which happen across their private property
is COMPLETELY different than the state wildlife
department restricting what size antlered (is that a word)
deer another property owner can harvest. Or
what type antlered deer is legal for, let's just take
me for example, can take from public land when it's
already been decreed I can't shoot a doe.
Congrat's on fine deer.
PK
That's a great looking deer, and you did answer my
next question about available spots.[X(]
Again, an individual deciding to manage the
deer which happen across their private property
is COMPLETELY different than the state wildlife
department restricting what size antlered (is that a word)
deer another property owner can harvest. Or
what type antlered deer is legal for, let's just take
me for example, can take from public land when it's
already been decreed I can't shoot a doe.
Congrat's on fine deer.
PK
12-19-2005 | 04:06 PM
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RE: New Texas 'Spread' laws...
Yah, I have to change my opinion on what I believe the man said, he said it for me... I posted the message at work, locked up, got in my car, picked up some brew and it hit me...
Older deer are the ones with the +13 inch racks, older deer are also your bigger deer...
So there will be a larger number of bigger deer roaming rather than smaller ones, the only big ones roaming around now are the ones who didn't get killed when they were smaller... When it catches on in these counties, the smaller deer will survive, giving them time to grow bigger in size meaning that there will be a larger number of bigger deer...
Though it does not 'make' them bigger, the law lets them 'Get bigger' by living longer...
That makes sense...
Older deer are the ones with the +13 inch racks, older deer are also your bigger deer...
So there will be a larger number of bigger deer roaming rather than smaller ones, the only big ones roaming around now are the ones who didn't get killed when they were smaller... When it catches on in these counties, the smaller deer will survive, giving them time to grow bigger in size meaning that there will be a larger number of bigger deer...
Though it does not 'make' them bigger, the law lets them 'Get bigger' by living longer...
That makes sense...
12-19-2005 | 04:18 PM
#28
Nontypical Buck
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From: collin county, TX
RE: New Texas 'Spread' laws...
An older deer certainly has a chance to be a bigger deer.
I will always have a problem with the TPWD using its
resources to manage this. And my biggest problem is
still being restricted from shooting even 1 doe when the
MLD property next door is making money charging the
general public to take does.
I will cede this to the majority. I will be on the look out
for an affordable private place to hunt though I fear I will
always be out-bid.
I am sincere in saying I'm happy for those whose hunting
goals are being met because of the time you put in and
restraint you show.
God bless & good hunting
PK
I will always have a problem with the TPWD using its
resources to manage this. And my biggest problem is
still being restricted from shooting even 1 doe when the
MLD property next door is making money charging the
general public to take does.
I will cede this to the majority. I will be on the look out
for an affordable private place to hunt though I fear I will
always be out-bid.
I am sincere in saying I'm happy for those whose hunting
goals are being met because of the time you put in and
restraint you show.
God bless & good hunting
PK
12-19-2005 | 04:37 PM
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RE: New Texas 'Spread' laws...
The numbers aren't gunna lie about the size/age... that's proven, these guys shooting these little4's and 6's(I have nothing against it when it comes to making sausage etc..., plus it's legal, I took a 4-point last year as my first deer) are taking young deer around the 2 1/2 year mark... in another year that deer is bigger and may and in a lot of cases will pass the 13 inch mark...
Screw that 'cede' remark though, stand by your views...
Screw that 'cede' remark though, stand by your views...
