RandyL

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DUCKSTAMPEDE

I think that is where I am coming from-once outside the park-they should be fair game and the method of taking should be controlled not just open season. I have actually seen wolves in the wild and I believe without poisoning and the like they will survive again just like the coyotes do-but once they come out of the protected areas then we ought to be able to 'manage' them.

RandyL

I wish the USF&W thought that way!!!!

DUCKSTAMPEDE

Never will-that group has been invaded by a bunch of sporting people not hunters

Montana Bob

The problem is this is a park where the wolves have been reintroduced. Before there were no fences, property bounderies and animals were free to roam.
The Wolves now are overgrazing so to speak and are wandering outside the park in search for food.(Elk Deer Domestic animals)
I think eventually we will need to go inside the park to reduce the wolf population and then reintroduce the Elk where they have been overgrazed.
Fine open a hunting season to take care of the wandering Wolves out side the park boundary pushing the Wolves back to an already overgrazed park.
Kinda stupid Huh.......... This has been the controversy. Common sense verses emotion. They reintroduced the wolf with no plan for management.
They are NOW getting around to it, but this whole mess could have been avoided with some common sense science in the beginning. Something Tree Huggers and Anti's lack.

RandyL

Don't leave out the illustrious US Fish and Wildlife, thier lies, contradictions, deceit, and warm and fuzzy administration.

Hunter_59

Here is an e-mail sent to me from an outfitter in Montana. Some whacko really went off on him.



We have been going the rounds with this guy and his hate mail regarding my
stance on the wolf. Included for your benefit.
Jonesy

Hi All,
Someone, on their own, did some detective work and found that the hate mail
to me with the email address [email protected] is coming from Mark Morin,
who is a photographer. He graduated from a private school, tuition $32,000
per year, which may explain his snobbish derision of my AA degree from Mesa
Community College in his recent email. Of course he ignored my achievement
of being in the top 2% of the Junior Class at Arizona State University. I'm
still an ignorant uneducated slob, to him.
This "detective" found out a lot more about him, including the fact
that I am not the first to whom he has sent hate mail, some more
inflammatory and specific regarding threat of bodily harm. This
"detective" also implied that a criminal investigation might be opened
because of the hate mails, not only to me but regarding some of the other
hate mails. It is a crime to threaten people. I am going by what this
"detective" had to say and I cannot vouch for the truth of the statements,
but I believe them to be correct as the "detective" is very credible.
Mark, I know you are on my list under a different email address and
you are reading this. Again, I don't hate you, but I think you are in
serious need of counseling and emotional therapy if you hate those of us
who think the introduction of the non-native Canadian Gray Wolf was and is
a big mistake.
And for the rest of you, if you reply to Mark or meet Mark anywhere,
please be polite and don't stoop to his level. For those of you elected
officials who are on my list and may take comment from Mark in a public
meeting, consider the source. When a person stoops to calling names using
expletives and gutter language instead of rational presentation of facts
and opinions, their credibility is nil.
Our previous communications are below, so you can see what has transpired.
Jonesy

From Jonesy:
You people that actually appreciated my last email regarding the wolf must
really be fringe kooks. This guy really hates me, I guess. I don't
understand why our lives are being disrupted by the wolf and yet we don't
"hate" the people responsible (at least I don't), but they literally hate
us for thinking the wolf should be eliminated and shouldn't have ever been
brought to this country. Here is his message to me.

I read your crap about the wolves...you are the biggest piece of inbred
sht....I guess you can't because you are too gutless and stupid to compete
against other men in business so you have to resort to killing wildlife for
a living...let's face it...you have no talent...life has kicked your
ass...you failed...your family must be so embarrassed by you....
the wolves are great....we want them back...you only represent you....and
nobody even knows you exsist...you could drop dead today and nobody would
notice....so you keep just acting like killing wildlife is some type of
career....like the animals are only here for you to make money off...all
the wildlife is here for a jerkoff like you to make money...yeah ok...it
sucks to be you....

And here is my reply to him.
Reply to Wolf Worshipper (you could have signed your name instead of hiding
behind an anonymous email),
My problem with the wolf is that he kills wildlife wantonly, without regard
to conservation. In areas of Canada and Alaska where there are many
wolves, there is a marked scarcity of ungulates. In some areas the moose
are totally eliminated, as is the case in some places in Wyoming, such as
the Dunoir Valley near Dubois. Dunoir has historically been the home of
about 100 moose. They are now extinct because of the Washakie wolf
pack. Is that "restoring balance to the ecosystem"?
Just do the math; The US Fish and Wildlife Service estimates around
400 wolves in the Yellowstone ecosystem. USFWS also says each wolf is
responsible for the death of 1.9 elk per month per wolf, or about 20 per
year. (the official government figures, not mine) Just do the math.
Have a nice day.
Jonesy

2nd communication
At 02:06 PM 1/11/2005, you wrote:
>Let's see....it's after lunch time so I am sure you 3 losers are on your
>2nd case of Milwaukee's best....the reality is you were way to stupid and
>poor to go to college....you can't keep real jobs...you think you killing
>wildlife to make make easy money takes priority over wolves, mountain
>lions and bears eating to survive...
>
>Nobody respects you....you're drunken, lazy, fat slobs...you sit in your
>cabins reading kiddy porn...beating your 3rd wives...you have never
>traveled outside of your state....you wouldn't last 5 minutes in NYC....I
>live in Montana on one of the toughest pieces of land there is....we have
>1000s of acres...antelope...deer....elk...mountian lions....and ZERO
>hunters....and we are going to keep buying more and more and more and more
>land....
>
>you just sit there rubbing deer piss on your face...just drink the whole
>bottle...
>
>Here's hoping the gun backfires into your skull!! The wolf is back and
>there isn't anything you can do to stop it....you lose........
Jonesy Reply:
You know, I am truly sorry that you are consumed with so much hatred. I
honestly don't hate you for your feelings for the wolf. We disagree, but
only you are being disagreeable.
Sorry, I don't drink alcoholic beverages. I've never tasted
liquor. Am a teetotaler.
I graduated from Mesa Community College "With High Distinction",
taking 21 semester hours the last semester in order to graduate. I
continued with a year and a half at Arizona State University. I majored in
Music ( 3 semesters), Accounting (2 semesters--A letter from the Dean
congratulated me for being in the top 2% of the Junior Class), and Game &
Fish Management (2 semesters). I have owned and operated my own
businesses (many of them) since 1974, and a "dummy" can't survive in the
business world.
If you think guiding hunters is "easy money", I invite you to join me
at 3:00 AM to saddle horses in the rain, then work hard all day in
inclement weather helping people have a wilderness experience (the majority
of them don't kill an animal), then get to bed at 10 PM for seven weeks
straight.
Humans have to eat to survive just like bears and wolves do, and the
vast majority of humans eat meat as a major part of their diet. I guess
the only difference between you and me is that you hire someone to kill
your meat for you, unless you are vegetarian, of course. But even then,
who is to say that plants don't "hurt" and "bleed" and "suffer" when harvested.
I've traveled to many places in the world, lived in Korea for 2
years, visited Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras, Canada, Japan, Wake Island, The
Caribbean, England, France, Switzerland, Italy, and most of the USA
including Alaska and Hawaii. I think I know what the world is like outside
my little corner of it.
Never have looked at kiddie porn. I can think of nothing more
disgusting.
I am very content with only one wife, thank you.
I've visited New York City three times and spent more than 5 minutes
there, and survived it. I found it a fascinating place with friendly
people. I've spent about 6 months in San Francisco, also Chicago, Phoenix
(was raised there), Minneapolis, Washington, DC, and other very large
cities. I'm not exactly a "country bumpkin", but I much prefer the very
sparsely populated areas, like Wyoming.
Sorry, I've never rubbed deer piss in my face, but I'm sure you would
like me to.
Why don't you try to get along? We can disagree, but we should be able to
intelligently discuss the issues instead of go to war over them.
Jonesy

3rd Email:
wow...Mesa Community College......"the Harvard of the West"....

you are the enemy of wildlife no matter what kind of spin you try and put
on it...it all rings hollow....and I am just the opposite....I don't have
to email anybody else to hide behind....I am the man....and I dictate the
wolf stays....period.

My Reply:
No, wolves are the enemy of wildlife. Where did all the moose go in Dunoir
Valley? Why has the population of elk decreased by 10,000 since the return
of the wolf? What are wolves going to do when the wildlife is gone?
If you are "the man", then why not sign your name and let me know who you are?
Sorry, couldn't afford to go to Harvard. Besides, they might have
brainwashed me and I would be as intolerant as you are.
Jonesy

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summit daWg

[:'(] " I am the man...And I DICTATE the wolfs stay...Period!" FOR ALL THAT EDUCATION MONEY ......it should be "the wolves stay!!"

One of three things here; #1 this is my US representative
# 2 This is one of my senators
Or # 3 It came from god


Then there is the truth:
This is the caliber of people all outdoor recreationalists ARE dealing with......... be they hunters, Atv'ers, 4 wheelers, Snowmobilers, Mountain bikers, backcountry horsemen, or anyone who wants to deal with the outdoors on thier own terms

summit daWg

I went to search...typed Bonefish97, and it was the one choice that came up, I clicked and BINGO.........gay chat! Thought of pasting it, but the moderators might not approve

RandyL

Thanks for sharing that Hunter_59. Your friend Jonsey is a class act. He did good!