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RE: Alaska Thread
 

ABM- THANX
LIL- OK I'LL BITE WHAT IS IT YOU NEED TO CHANGE ABOUT YOUR ACT?
WHAT IS IT I NEED TO CHANGE ABOUT MY ACT?
WHO IS THEY?
WHAT HAVE THE FEDS SAID?
AND HOW WOULD OR DID THE 1/4 MILE RESTRICTION CHANGE THIS?
IF "THEY" ARE WATCHING THEN WHY WOULDN'T THE CURRENT REGS BE INFORCED IF SOMEONE (OR ACCORDING TO YOU EVERYONE) IS DOING SOMETHING WRONG?

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Nim,

I'll fill you in on a little bit here.

First off, there is nothing I need to change about my act!

Second, I cant tell you anything about your act, I dont know your gig.

Third "they" has been defined

The 1/4 mile restriction was going to be much bigger then it became, now that it is gone, now we are back on the firing range.

They are watching, and documenting. The 1/4 mile rule had nothing to do with current regulations! We both knew it was an ethics law...I need not say more!

This is a resource we are soon to loose at our (our being bowhunters) current pace. Heed the warning!

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Well lets see, the feds didn't speak up about the 1/4 mile when the had the chance at these board of game meetings, the biologist were "fairly well middle of the road" on getting rid of the 1/4 mile restriction, so who could this leave? The original proposers of the 1/4 mile restriction doing what they can to close the whole area down? The folks that spent a lot of time wasting wildlife enforcement dollars to investigate infraction allegations on the Haul Road that ended up resulting in no convictions or citations, just lost dollars in an already tight budget?

If you are planning on keeping names and infomation behind closed doors, I have a hard time shelling out any credibility to your claims. If it is in such jeapordy to be lost, why wouldn't you take the time to contact your local organizations so we can help preserve it? We've got the backing of several very credible people and organizations to preserve the 1/4 mile, and the entire DHCMA, so it will not go down without a fight. We've got the backing of the Board of Game, the Fairbanks Advisory Committee, the Alaskan Bowhunters Assn., Black Sheep Bowman, the Juneau Archery Club, Wildlife Enforcement, Senators, the Governor and the list goes on with the vast majority of the users in the area supporting the right to keep the Haul Road hunt open.

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Jerry,

I dont need a beginners credability to back any claims I have! Even if you are in kahoot's with Buist and Frost.

its a warning take it as it may....... you'll understand with hands "cuffed" just like the rest of us!

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It sounds as if you are more worried about your credibility with your sources than you are about preserving the DHCMA. If you are truely concerned about this area being in jeapordy of being lost, than you are more to blame than the rest of us because you currently have knowledge that you aren't sharing, or using to help preserve it. What is the point of a warning then? If you can't back a statement up with facts, or are unwilling to do so, your credibility on this issue means nothing to me.

Your credibility has no impact on the relationships I share with people that feel the same way I do about this area. I do not make up their minds, they do, and we are not in "kahoot's" with each other. Out of curiousity, why did you pick Frost and Buist out of the several names and organizations that I listed?

Are you for the DHCMA being shut down to hunting? You might feel like your hands are cuffed, but I'm not as easy to fold on a situation. If it takes a fight to keep it, then that's where you'll find me. I'm not saying it will be easy, and it might be impossible, but if we sit around with the attitude of "our hands are cuffed" than you might as well fold.

If you want the area shut down, and are sending us a warning such as the AWA would do that's fine. If you care about the area and preserving our rights there, then fill us in. If you are can't fill us in, then I don't care to hear what you have to say.

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It's interesting Jerry to twist words to fit your need. You've always been good at that.

You can answer a lot of your own questions. But you've realized that since you started bowhunting also.

I kind of figured I was wasting my time by putting out a warning of things to come. You'll get the details all too soon I am sure. And one thing is for certain, you'll dislike the outcome as much as the rest of us...."buddy"

Let me ask the BMOC why in sam heck would I want the Haul road hunt shut down? Get real you fool. And AWA, you are showing true light!

Credability, lmao, just look at the flock you choose to draft from! You're right, I have knowledge I cant fully share! Thats already been said and it looks like I've said to much.

Cuffed hands, in the context it was presented, if that needs to be explained you truely wouldnt understand.

The near-sightedness of "I want my cake and eat it to" is the exact cause of this warning! You'll understand all too soon!

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If you don't want the Haul Road hunt shut down, why are you so adiment about staying quiet on the issues? I'm trying to figure out where you are coming from as you care to only share enough information to tell us we are dead in the water. You are the fool to assume that I believe you think the Haul Road Hunt should go away, but how do you rationalize with somebody that is too afraid to give you more information on their assumptions?

I would agree that you wasted your time posting this here. I'd rather hear it from a source that is more interested in doing what they can to preserve the area, not sit around warning everybody it is about to come. I was on the strip in Las Vegas for New Years and there were a bunch of folks that were holding signs saying "the end is near, we are all gonna die" and were serious about it. I fully ignored those people and just got a chuckle out of it, I should of done the same here.

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Jerry,

I cant express how strongly I suscribe to the philosiphy that those with opportunistic intentions will be our undoing, concerning the haul road. These individuals have been lead to bowhunting by the promotion of opportunity not bowhunting itself. Removal of the 1/4 mile closure clearly shows that it is the opportunity that is important, not the method itself. These individuals will not stop what they are doing and have no concern for the results of their actions what so ever. The flock shooting and long distance shooting will continue. I do know individuals that shoot for the femorial artery on purpose, and I also know an individual that has wounded and lost 2 bears withing the 4 yr period, possibly in the same season. This is the type of bowhunting that is being promoted by individuals in organiztions such as the ABA, Fairbanks Advisory Committee and Black Sheep Bowman to name groups I know first handedly fit these past descriptions.

The BOG decision to appeal the 1/4 mile rule sets these opportunistic individuals free to do as they wish. Their actions can never be taken back and will be as written in stone against the method of bowhunting itself.

An increase in the number of bowhunters in the area, will increase both the good and bad without any measures being implemented to promote responsibility or education. Without a doubt ill issues concerning the haul road will be more apperant this year and compounded within the upcoming years with the increase of local population in the interior and increase in bowhunter numbers.

I have yet to see any efforts from the organizations you have listed, to raise the bar of education what so ever, so I do not see any effort from these organizations to protect the FUTURE of bowhunting, only opportunities.

This is not only my view of things, this is the view of many who have experience of the area going back to before these problems began.

The BLM, NPS, and USFWS has been organized with rural residents of the area and subsistence boards for several years, even to the point of having an interagency facility in coldfoot that opened on May 28th 2002. The goals of these organizations is solely to control the area, and the opportunistic individuals are only giving them the tools to do so.

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Let me get this straight, you just said the ABA, Black Sheep Bowman and the Juneau Archery Club promote only the opportunity, not the method? If it wasn't for organizations such as these, you wouldn't currently have the DHCMA to discuss, take a look at the akbowhunters websight and look at their accomplishments. See what they have done for people like you in this state. And hell yes, they are trying to increase opportunity. Since when is that a bad thing?
If somebody is more of a bowhunter than another person that hunts with a bow, then what is the difference that one specific area in the state matters? I don't agree with your reasoning at all. Removal of the 1/4 mile restriction does nothing for the opportunistic people in the way of teaching them ethics. I felt that the 1/4 mile restriction was only giving them more laws to break, and only affected those that truely care of the area and the opportunity that is there. You make it sound like the 1/4 mile is a breaking point between ethical and unethical, the rule should of never gone into effect in the first place. A rule in the books to make you walk 440 yards further before you hunt will not change the way these people go after their quarry.

Take a look at proposal #270 and tell me these organizations aren't trying to do something. Do you have any idea on what is going on right now in the bill making its way to the Senate Finance Committee? I think there are bigger fish to fry from divisions like BLM and the subsistance board. It is bills like these that I worry about closing this area down, not a few unethical people flinging aimless arrows. I wish there was something that could be done to raise the level of awareness and ethics to these people, but you will probably find most of them are bull headed and don't care what the cause is for their actions.