Filming A Hunt
02-08-2008, 12:18 PM
#12
Fork Horn
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Eastern Oregon
Posts: 104
RE: Filming A Hunt
I think he made some good points. What's wrong with learning the technical aspects of video and audio? I've been a hobbyist for several years now, so I don't claim to be an expert. I watch some hunting shows that I can't believe are being shown on TV. Panning way too fast, zooming way too fast, very shaky video, camera noise on the audio, etc. The same thing goes for some of the hunting videos I've watched.
I don't know if it's just me, but it seems like some people think they can get a camera, shoot some footage, and sell videos without knowing a whole lot about it.
There are a lot of online resources for video. A lot of what I've learned about editing and taping I've learned from forums on the internet along with reading a lot.
Yeah, maybe a little harsh, but some good points.
I don't know if it's just me, but it seems like some people think they can get a camera, shoot some footage, and sell videos without knowing a whole lot about it.
There are a lot of online resources for video. A lot of what I've learned about editing and taping I've learned from forums on the internet along with reading a lot.
Yeah, maybe a little harsh, but some good points.
02-08-2008, 07:00 PM
#13
Typical Buck
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location:
Posts: 675
RE: Filming A Hunt
ORIGINAL: FarNorth
I think he made some good points. What's wrong with learning the technical aspects of video and audio? I've been a hobbyist for several years now, so I don't claim to be an expert. I watch some hunting shows that I can't believe are being shown on TV. Panning way too fast, zooming way too fast, very shaky video, camera noise on the audio, etc. The same thing goes for some of the hunting videos I've watched.
I don't know if it's just me, but it seems like some people think they can get a camera, shoot some footage, and sell videos without knowing a whole lot about it.
There are a lot of online resources for video. A lot of what I've learned about editing and taping I've learned from forums on the internet along with reading a lot.
Yeah, maybe a little harsh, but some good points.
I think he made some good points. What's wrong with learning the technical aspects of video and audio? I've been a hobbyist for several years now, so I don't claim to be an expert. I watch some hunting shows that I can't believe are being shown on TV. Panning way too fast, zooming way too fast, very shaky video, camera noise on the audio, etc. The same thing goes for some of the hunting videos I've watched.
I don't know if it's just me, but it seems like some people think they can get a camera, shoot some footage, and sell videos without knowing a whole lot about it.
There are a lot of online resources for video. A lot of what I've learned about editing and taping I've learned from forums on the internet along with reading a lot.
Yeah, maybe a little harsh, but some good points.
02-20-2008, 09:38 AM
#14
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Phoenixville, PA USA
Posts: 5,541
RE: Filming A Hunt
ORIGINAL: lungbuster12point06
I concur
ORIGINAL: FarNorth
I think he made some good points. What's wrong with learning the technical aspects of video and audio? I've been a hobbyist for several years now, so I don't claim to be an expert. I watch some hunting shows that I can't believe are being shown on TV. Panning way too fast, zooming way too fast, very shaky video, camera noise on the audio, etc. The same thing goes for some of the hunting videos I've watched.
I don't know if it's just me, but it seems like some people think they can get a camera, shoot some footage, and sell videos without knowing a whole lot about it.
There are a lot of online resources for video. A lot of what I've learned about editing and taping I've learned from forums on the internet along with reading a lot.
Yeah, maybe a little harsh, but some good points.
I think he made some good points. What's wrong with learning the technical aspects of video and audio? I've been a hobbyist for several years now, so I don't claim to be an expert. I watch some hunting shows that I can't believe are being shown on TV. Panning way too fast, zooming way too fast, very shaky video, camera noise on the audio, etc. The same thing goes for some of the hunting videos I've watched.
I don't know if it's just me, but it seems like some people think they can get a camera, shoot some footage, and sell videos without knowing a whole lot about it.
There are a lot of online resources for video. A lot of what I've learned about editing and taping I've learned from forums on the internet along with reading a lot.
Yeah, maybe a little harsh, but some good points.
Most of the guys that are creating hunting videos are hunters first, so when it seems like a hunter just took a camera in the woods to create a video that's because it is. The consumer of that product are also hunters who aren't going to be discriminate about fast pans and camera noise on film.
Now, that doesn't mean that those producing footage shouldn't strive to put out the best footage possible, but taping in a hunting situation is very unforgiving. So, any pointers on where to go for good information would be much appreciated.
02-21-2008, 11:53 AM
#15
Fork Horn
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Eastern Oregon
Posts: 104
RE: Filming A Hunt
Well I have to say that I see shows on tv that are so crappy (IMO) that it's amazing the stuff is being aired. I don't understand how some guys get shows on tv. I guess I'm being more critical than a lot of guys, but I know what I like to watch.
If you want to know about something specifically and I have a link to good info I'll post it. Google works great. I just did a search for "video techniques" and cam up with over 16 million hits.
If you want to know about something specifically and I have a link to good info I'll post it. Google works great. I just did a search for "video techniques" and cam up with over 16 million hits.
02-21-2008, 04:34 PM
#16
Fork Horn
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Dallas, Texas
Posts: 194
RE: Filming A Hunt
Thank you Far North.
It's not harsh guys, just reality. And here's another reality for you: You have the world at your fingertips----it's called: THE INTERNET.
But here's a couple of links for you to start out:
www.markertek.com
www.videomaker.com
www.dvinfo.com
www.creativecow.com
The reason places like Campbell Camera have done well is because they have 'niched' the market. B & H has BLANKETED the market but it doesn't mean they're a good distributor--just convenient for the people who don't know where or how to shop for video/film/photography equipment.
75% of all video and its related equipment is computer based. Hard drives, same cables, computer controlled, NLE editing systems.
Yes, there are TONS of cool accessories for cameras out there.......but to shoot GOOD VIDEO you really only NEED 2 or 3 things: tripod, lens controller, editing system. After that its just practice, practice, practice.
I've been doing it for 20 years and I'm still practicing on a daily basis.
Yes I get paid for my work and I turn down more jobs than I actually do---because I have standards.......no porn, NO REALITY SHOWS--(in my opinion they have helped the demise of our education system and high American ethics), and I don't do weddings, funerals, or 'gatherings' of any type.
It ain't easy, it takes WORK in order to be a good videographer......and I mean work.
I'm thru again.
It's not harsh guys, just reality. And here's another reality for you: You have the world at your fingertips----it's called: THE INTERNET.
But here's a couple of links for you to start out:
www.markertek.com
www.videomaker.com
www.dvinfo.com
www.creativecow.com
The reason places like Campbell Camera have done well is because they have 'niched' the market. B & H has BLANKETED the market but it doesn't mean they're a good distributor--just convenient for the people who don't know where or how to shop for video/film/photography equipment.
75% of all video and its related equipment is computer based. Hard drives, same cables, computer controlled, NLE editing systems.
Yes, there are TONS of cool accessories for cameras out there.......but to shoot GOOD VIDEO you really only NEED 2 or 3 things: tripod, lens controller, editing system. After that its just practice, practice, practice.
I've been doing it for 20 years and I'm still practicing on a daily basis.
Yes I get paid for my work and I turn down more jobs than I actually do---because I have standards.......no porn, NO REALITY SHOWS--(in my opinion they have helped the demise of our education system and high American ethics), and I don't do weddings, funerals, or 'gatherings' of any type.
It ain't easy, it takes WORK in order to be a good videographer......and I mean work.
I'm thru again.
02-21-2008, 05:16 PM
#17
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Junction,Illinois(SE)
Posts: 1,548
02-21-2008, 11:34 PM
#19
Thread Starter
Join Date: Dec 2007
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Posts: 14
RE: Filming A Hunt
Wow,
I am amazed at how many people are really missing the whole point on this post from the start. I have many years in the video industry but it has be only in the studio or controlled sets with lighting crew. I understand how to shoot video, film, what ever you want to call it. Im not trying to be very technical because I understand the terminology but I don't mind not using it to show how great I am because I understand terms like others.
My original reason and only reason for this post is because I have a background in studios and little in the outdoors. Well let me be more technical for those that need that, I have shot video outside but it was a controlled environment, I have a huge passion for Hunting and Wildlife and I was giving the opportunity to start shooting hunting videos and because I have not have the chance till this point, I thought I would asked simple question that anyone could answer... pro to non pro so I could get a better understanding what people.. remember this now (people) have come across thats not talked about and..... what people are doing during the process.
I sometimes think pros take there profession to seriously and like to talk big, or better yet bash others when they sometimes misunderstanding the question and what the desired goal was from the beginning.
so Recap.
- I am a Pro though conditioned within controlled environments.
- I have a passion for the outdoor life and wanting to capture my point of view.
- I turned to anyone, not just pros for hunting, Hunting, Hunting videos. Did I make it clear.... Hunting Videos that would be willing to share there experiences they have come across that could be beneficial to myself and to whom that reads this with the clear understanding on how.
For the ones that have shared some great pointers, thank you from the fullness of my heart.
Again share more if you please but please be clear about what you are typing so it does not reflect back on you as a know it all if you know what I mean.
Again thanks everyone who truly understood this post and its purpose
I am amazed at how many people are really missing the whole point on this post from the start. I have many years in the video industry but it has be only in the studio or controlled sets with lighting crew. I understand how to shoot video, film, what ever you want to call it. Im not trying to be very technical because I understand the terminology but I don't mind not using it to show how great I am because I understand terms like others.
My original reason and only reason for this post is because I have a background in studios and little in the outdoors. Well let me be more technical for those that need that, I have shot video outside but it was a controlled environment, I have a huge passion for Hunting and Wildlife and I was giving the opportunity to start shooting hunting videos and because I have not have the chance till this point, I thought I would asked simple question that anyone could answer... pro to non pro so I could get a better understanding what people.. remember this now (people) have come across thats not talked about and..... what people are doing during the process.
I sometimes think pros take there profession to seriously and like to talk big, or better yet bash others when they sometimes misunderstanding the question and what the desired goal was from the beginning.
so Recap.
- I am a Pro though conditioned within controlled environments.
- I have a passion for the outdoor life and wanting to capture my point of view.
- I turned to anyone, not just pros for hunting, Hunting, Hunting videos. Did I make it clear.... Hunting Videos that would be willing to share there experiences they have come across that could be beneficial to myself and to whom that reads this with the clear understanding on how.
For the ones that have shared some great pointers, thank you from the fullness of my heart.
Again share more if you please but please be clear about what you are typing so it does not reflect back on you as a know it all if you know what I mean.
Again thanks everyone who truly understood this post and its purpose
02-22-2008, 06:50 PM
#20
Typical Buck
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location:
Posts: 675
RE: Filming A Hunt
Well seems to me that some of the questions you asked were pretty kindergarten "would it be good to have a wireless mic on the hunter?" What do you think? Being a pro yourself would you think it better to have just an on board or shotgun mic. or a wireless on the shooter so everyone could clearly hear the commentary? I would think you could figure that out yourself if you have prior experience shooting video.
I think both Pat and Far north made good points, as for your questions as to having another person run the camera or do it yourself............what do you think will produce the best footage? I mean realistically anyone that had any previous video experience would already know all the answers to your questions..........the only one you may not have an answer to would be video from a tree or on the ground, which is very much personal preference, but if you have any hunting experience at all you would know which you prefer and which you think would work better for what you are after........If anyone is being critical or condescending here I believe it is you for asking such rudimentary questions in the first place.........don't get me wrong if you were a kid just starting out and looking for some pointers we would all gladly help you, but you yourself claim to be a professional, maybe you need to go to another forum and waste someone else's time.
I think both Pat and Far north made good points, as for your questions as to having another person run the camera or do it yourself............what do you think will produce the best footage? I mean realistically anyone that had any previous video experience would already know all the answers to your questions..........the only one you may not have an answer to would be video from a tree or on the ground, which is very much personal preference, but if you have any hunting experience at all you would know which you prefer and which you think would work better for what you are after........If anyone is being critical or condescending here I believe it is you for asking such rudimentary questions in the first place.........don't get me wrong if you were a kid just starting out and looking for some pointers we would all gladly help you, but you yourself claim to be a professional, maybe you need to go to another forum and waste someone else's time.