Manchurian Pheasants
09-02-2020, 01:12 PM
#21
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Nov 2014
Posts: 2,743
Only one fool in this conversation and it is not me. Yes, I have know doubt that I know more than you do on the subject. 34 years working for the PGC is more Bona Fides than your thinking you know more than I do. Just keep deluding yourself . Now you bring deer into the picture, the subject is pheasants. Just shows how desperate you are to try to make your blathering right. It is not, it never will be. You may want to consider it was the know it all hunters who were responsible for lobbying the general assembly to prevent the PGC from cutting back the deer herd decades before a BOC had the guts to tell the General assembly where to go. No sense continuing this conversation and probably any conversation with you. You are hopeless. Feel free to have the last word, I know you will, but it will not make you correct in your assertions.
Nothing new, and I mentioned it to show the lack of response by the PAGC
NEXT you like to call folks names, that's very BIG of you, very professional!
and since you accuse me of being wrong??
where is your proof I am Wrong and Not your opinion<
and I have 1 question for you, since you know SO much more than I do!
question being this, lets see how you answer it with your GREAT knowledge of the PA GC!
question is
IF Farmer stared using chemicals TOMORROW that KILLED EVERY DEER that ate any of there crops they plant
are you TELLING ME??
the PAGC has NO authority to step in and do anything about it??
OH and BY the way I mentioned too about the delay in offending hunters was a reason why it took so long for the PAGC to act on the deer
I already stated this in this TREAD!@
so you again DON"T know what I know but you SURE think so, and yet your WRONG AGAIN< NOT me YOU!
Last edited by mrbb; 09-02-2020 at 01:16 PM.
01-10-2021, 08:10 PM
#22
Spike
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jun 2017
Posts: 11
Alright yall that got a little heated. I have heard and read about the Sichuan pheasant program. And while I do realize that it was not a success, habitat for pheasants at that time was quite frankly terrible. That was back when they thought simply putting more birds out would solve the problem. Another cool thing I found was that one of the release sites is exactly where our farm is now back when it was a dairy operation. I do believe that wild birds are better but when our valley was surveyed for a WPRA application, the PGC said that there were too many Amish farms that wouldn’t participate in the program, so wild birds are not obtainable. I’m simply trying to find as close of an alternative as I can. Much has changed in the area since the 80s when the Sichuan project took place, with quite literally over a thousand acres of idle grass set aside. Some of it is not high quality grass being goldenrod and some cool seasons like Timothy and orchard grass yes I understand but it beats “dirt and macadam” as OT said. A couple of the neighboring farms CREP contracts expired and are putting them into NWSGs so that’s a big step in the right direction. While as stated before with the wild birds not being obtainable, we have seen levels of success with our version of soft release with regular ringnecks, and I think that if we use even a slightly wilder bird, we might see a pocket of sustaining birds. As said before. We had two hens both rear successful broods this past summer so with extensive habitat management I think some form of success is reachable.
01-20-2021, 10:47 PM
#23
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Germany/Calif.
Posts: 2,664
Alright yall that got a little heated. I have heard and read about the Sichuan pheasant program. And while I do realize that it was not a success, habitat for pheasants at that time was quite frankly terrible. That was back when they thought simply putting more birds out would solve the problem. Another cool thing I found was that one of the release sites is exactly where our farm is now back when it was a dairy operation. I do believe that wild birds are better but when our valley was surveyed for a WPRA application, the PGC said that there were too many Amish farms that wouldn’t participate in the program, so wild birds are not obtainable. I’m simply trying to find as close of an alternative as I can. Much has changed in the area since the 80s when the Sichuan project took place, with quite literally over a thousand acres of idle grass set aside. Some of it is not high quality grass being goldenrod and some cool seasons like Timothy and orchard grass yes I understand but it beats “dirt and macadam” as OT said. A couple of the neighboring farms CREP contracts expired and are putting them into NWSGs so that’s a big step in the right direction. While as stated before with the wild birds not being obtainable, we have seen levels of success with our version of soft release with regular ringnecks, and I think that if we use even a slightly wilder bird, we might see a pocket of sustaining birds. As said before. We had two hens both rear successful broods this past summer so with extensive habitat management I think some form of success is reachable.
I read a hybrid Ringneck is said to lose much of the domesticated traits and is likely to be a better survivor.
Wild hens need almost total quiet to breed in captivity. There was one local breeder that bred wild hens, he was successful.
I had one Ringneck nesting area that was typically three hens in close proximity and a single Cock. They had some strange habits. Early in the season, they would lay in a communal clutch/nest I called it a throwaway nest as none would brood the clutch. No idea why they'd do this. I\d sneak in at night and steal some of the eggs and transport them to an incubator. Some were viable. Pheasants lay way more eggs than you'd think.
I've said it before and will say it again if you want success you have to really thin out the local predator population. And Pheasant often need supplemental water. Ideal habitat may not help if it is too dry.
06-06-2021, 11:38 PM
#24
Fork Horn
Join Date: May 2021
Location: Lawton, OK
Posts: 121
its been proven time and time again, that most ALL pen raised birds DON"T LAST in the wild
if talking about PA here, the state game dept, would have been a TON better off , after so many yrs of WASTED spending on pen raised bird(millions and millions of dollars)
the $$ they dropped, they could have Bough ta LOT of land and BUILT p[rime habitat for them to BUY REAL WILD pheasants trapped in states that have healthy populations of wild birds
something, PROVEN to work, by Pheasants Forever, that started releasing them in PA
and its was SO nice of the PA game commission to take credit for the work of pheasants forever in them doing so!, proving that adding wild birds WORKS and pen raised one's Doesn't!
Just another example IMO, of where the PA Game Commission dropped the ball and was SUPER slow to realizing this!
from a TOP 10 pheasant state to almost ZERO wild pheasants, and they CLAIM its NOT there FAULT!
wonder who's it was? as MY understanding was the Pa game commission was in charge of PROTECTING the wildlife of the state??
funny how that BLAME doesn;'t fall on them, but pass the buck blame everyone else!
this is a PET peeve of mine, as I spent a Lot of time and $$ driving west to hunt wild PHEASANTS, these pen raised one's my dogs used to catch live all the time , wasn't hunting was like catch and release hunting them for me and my buddies!
me and my friends all quit hunting pheasants in PA< what a shame, pa was once such a GREAT state for wildlife!
and got to love now numbers are so low they charge for a pheasant permit? I, guess the GAME Co is broke after wasting so much on pen raised birds they now want to charge you for them !, guess some one has to pay for the one's cats eat and get hit by cars! HAHA!
if talking about PA here, the state game dept, would have been a TON better off , after so many yrs of WASTED spending on pen raised bird(millions and millions of dollars)
the $$ they dropped, they could have Bough ta LOT of land and BUILT p[rime habitat for them to BUY REAL WILD pheasants trapped in states that have healthy populations of wild birds
something, PROVEN to work, by Pheasants Forever, that started releasing them in PA
and its was SO nice of the PA game commission to take credit for the work of pheasants forever in them doing so!, proving that adding wild birds WORKS and pen raised one's Doesn't!
Just another example IMO, of where the PA Game Commission dropped the ball and was SUPER slow to realizing this!
from a TOP 10 pheasant state to almost ZERO wild pheasants, and they CLAIM its NOT there FAULT!
wonder who's it was? as MY understanding was the Pa game commission was in charge of PROTECTING the wildlife of the state??
funny how that BLAME doesn;'t fall on them, but pass the buck blame everyone else!
this is a PET peeve of mine, as I spent a Lot of time and $$ driving west to hunt wild PHEASANTS, these pen raised one's my dogs used to catch live all the time , wasn't hunting was like catch and release hunting them for me and my buddies!
me and my friends all quit hunting pheasants in PA< what a shame, pa was once such a GREAT state for wildlife!
and got to love now numbers are so low they charge for a pheasant permit? I, guess the GAME Co is broke after wasting so much on pen raised birds they now want to charge you for them !, guess some one has to pay for the one's cats eat and get hit by cars! HAHA!
06-07-2021, 11:35 AM
#25
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Oct 2013
Posts: 9,230
Seems to me that PA and other states would be better off emphasizing native game birds rather that transplants from Asia. Things like quail and grouse that evolved in the state have a lot better chance than the exotics. Perhaps my thinking is flawed but it seems logical.
