Thanks a bunch for the advise. I have several ranges I go too for rifle, but patterning a shotgun is difficult where I live. No shotguns at teh westminster range. I will try some different loads. I have some 1 1/4oz #4 2.75" remington and 1 3/4oz #6 3" high velocity. I have been working mostly with the 3" 1 3/4oz load. That might be my issue. Thanks again.