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GOOD OLE BOY 03-09-2019 01:41 PM

10 Gauge Hammer of Thor.
 
Who all makes em anymore?Browning suppose to but no-one seems to stock Browning stuff.I,d love to have one.

Oldtimr 03-09-2019 02:08 PM

Why? a 12 gauge with a good choke will do anything a 10 gauge will do and the ammo is s lot less expensive.

hardcastonly 03-09-2019 02:40 PM

cheaper 12 ga vs 10 ga, ammo yes ,
10 ga guns tend to be heavier, true!
but if you reload its not nearly AS BAD,
a 10 ga , loaded correctly tends to throw a bit denser patterns, in my experience
yes individual guns and chokes vary but my ithaca MAG 10 certainly works rather well.
and if your looking for a turkey gun with a bit extra reach a 10 ga has potential
http://www.eregulations.com/wp-conte...18FLHD-LR2.pdf
google "mag 10 Ithaca shotgun for sale"


http://garage.grumpysperformance.com...-choice.14296/

elkman30 03-09-2019 04:38 PM

So does Ithaca still make 10's? Didn't know that. For the OP, you may have to have your local gun store special order a Browning 10.

mrbb 03-09-2019 04:49 PM

Rem /Browning , would be the one's I would look at
long time proven record and decent recoil design with them
But I fully echo what other's said, there is NO reason to use a 10 gauge for turkeys
or IMO a 3.5 inch 12 Ga either!
MY reason is a 10 gauge is a much heavier gun to have to carry about, sling or not, a long day in the woods with it chasing turkeys and its a trying deal
when you could be carrying a 12 gauge, that weight's less odds are shorter too, and have almost as good a pattern at same ranges
or under 50 yards which is honestly about anyone should need to to be shooting turkeys, with green up happening fast, odds are about all you can see to be honest LOL
ammo is more too, but if your reloading, its not as big a difference for sure
but your still dealing with a lot of EXTRA gun, than needed!~
if it makes you happy to use it, have at it LOL
we are all younger and dumber at times in our life's, so won't bash anyone if its what makes em happy!

GOOD OLE BOY 03-09-2019 07:55 PM

I,ve looked on Ithaca,s site in the past and never seen a 10 listed.I,ll have to go back and check.

hardcastonly 03-10-2019 06:47 AM

why not ask around among your friends and see if anyone owns a quality 10 ga and 12 ga they use,
and actually put a few targets up at 30- 40,-50,-60 yards ,
stick a few 2" orange sticky target dots to represent a turkeys head
and try a few shots, using each shotgun,from a typical seated position,
all using the same shot size, get a feel for each guns size weight and effective reach
(lets say #4 or #5 in several of the various shot guns/and gauges)
keep in mind an extra 10-15 yards can easily be the difference between success/failure
but you really should get those turkeys in under 35 yards when you can.
and you try hard to not shoot untill the targets well within your comfort range
thats basically , what I did decades ago, and why I prefer my ithaca mag 10.
sure it will cost you the price of a couple boxes of shells,
if the guys with the shotguns don,t kick in a few to use,
but youll deal in facts vs what some guy posting might say.

https://www.cabelas.com/product/Remi...ads/739986.uts

https://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/ammo-10-gauge-hevi-shot-hevi-13-3-1-2-5-2-3-8-ounce-1090-fps-5-round-box-816383135051.do?sortby=ourPicks&refType=&from=fn&e cList=7&ecCategory=201499

https://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/ammo-10-gauge-winchester-supreme-high-velocity-turkey-3-1-2-4-copper-plated-2-ounce-1300-fps-10-round-box-020892013674.do?sortby=ourPicks&refType=&from=fn&e cList=7&ecCategory=201499

https://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/federal-grand-slam-10-gauge-ammunition-10-rounds-3-1-2-length-5-copper-plated-lead-2-ounce-flightcontrol-flex-wad-1200fps-604544628265.do?sortby=ourPicks&refType=&from=fn&e cList=7&ecCategory=201499

Oldtimr 03-10-2019 07:50 AM

GOB, here you go.
https://www.gunsamerica.com/953915982/Ithaca-Mag-10.htm

Bocajnala 03-10-2019 09:21 AM

He didn't ask about the performance or what was best. Or a comparison with 12s. He asked who all made 10 gauges still.

I've carried a .410, a 20, 16,12&10 gauge for turkey. Also a crossbow and a compound. (Only taken turkeys with the 10,12&20 and crossbow so far)

Not because I thought any were superior to the other. But because that's what I felt like doing.

It's not all about what performs the "best". It really isn't. Sometimes people just want to use something that they are interested in.

i don't know who makes new 10 gauges currently, although I would suspect there are some out there. I know that locally I often see 10s, especially single shots, on the classifieds and used shelves. And they are a 'blast' to bring out at a party

-Jake

mrbb 03-10-2019 10:37 AM


Originally Posted by Bocajnala (Post 4353275)
He didn't ask about the performance or what was best. Or a comparison with 12s. He asked who all made 10 gauges still.

I've carried a .410, a 20, 16,12&10 gauge for turkey. Also a crossbow and a compound. (Only taken turkeys with the 10,12&20 and crossbow so far)

Not because I thought any were superior to the other. But because that's what I felt like doing.

It's not all about what performs the "best". It really isn't. Sometimes people just want to use something that they are interested in.

i don't know who makes new 10 gauges currently, although I would suspect there are some out there. I know that locally I often see 10s, especially single shots, on the classifieds and used shelves. And they are a 'blast' to bring out at a party

-Jake

I agree with you, some times folks just want to be different or use something they just find interesting
BUT then again, some folks are NEW to things and don't know a lot about guns or hunting , when they start a tread
and I think many of us with a lot more experience, sometimes see thru this, based on how many posts/treads are worded and or the topic in question
forgive me if I am WRONG as I mean NO disrespect
BUT when a person comes on a forum asking WHO makes a 10 gauge, , being I owned a gun shop and been in the game a long time' I tend to right off think, MAYBE they are new and don;t know much about guns
as the world wide web is out there these days, and about anyone can google a search and find makers!
and most again experienced gun owners/ shooters and hunters know how to find this info without asking for help on a forum
AGAIN, NO disrespect meant here, it just an example of how some times things like this can be viewed, and well, then answers to the question at hand get sort of side tracked,
as the more experienced folks THINK they can maybe help the OP in a different way and thus offer info, they maybe didn;t ask for, BUT maybe they would still appreciate!

I gave both., I said you can sure shoot what ever you like, and good for you
and also gave other advice/suggestions, as well as WHO makes one's I would recommend

IF the OP cannot get and or find a BROWNING at HIS local shop/gun store
again there is the world wide web to turn to
and if you look online you will find they for sale, and ALL he has to do is FIND a dealer, and have HIS dealer contact them and THEY can get him the gun
maybe he again doesn't know this
which again, would to ME< again say, they are some what new to things an don't know this info, which again says maybe MAYBE , they have less than a lot of experience here!
I don't think ANYONE here replied to the OP's post with any disrespect meant, and ONLY replied hoping they could HELP the OP
as again,a 10 gauge is heavy, and costs a LOT more $$, when the gains are SMALL in shooting a turkey over a 12 gauge!

I too have killed turkeys with a LOT of different gauges/calibers and archery gear, what I like, doesn't mean to me anyone else has to like, and vise versa!
I will LASTLY add, that it is NOT only the gauge and or LOAD that makes one gun shoot a better pattern than another
so JUST shooting say 10 ga and 12 ga at targets will NOT really tell you anything
just like rifles, some guns prefer different loads than others and shoot tighter groups due to the one they like
and THEN there is CHOKES< there are MANY different chokes in shotguns, from factory to custom, that can MAKE a BIG difference in how a shotgun patterns at different distances!
I added the last info, in case one doesn';t know this, NOT to be forcing info on anyone or getting off topic, its just GOOD honest INFO for anyone that reads this!

grinder67 03-10-2019 01:23 PM

Brownings web site shows they still currently make the BPS and the Gold in 10 ga.. I did not find any on Remingtons page. I own 2 BPS 10 and a remington SP 10 and I love hunting with any of them and would much rather shoot one of them over any 12ga 3.5"

CalHunter 03-11-2019 05:17 AM

For the OP, it looks like Browning which is a great choice. Can your gun shop order one for you? For grinder67, I'm curious as to why you prefer the 10 over the 12. Better distance?

hardcastonly 03-11-2019 06:12 AM

as will be all too common, the skill and experience of the person using the equipment has a huge effect on how effective it will be,
Ive used both an Ithaca 10 ga mag 10, and an benelli black eagle 12 ga 3" semi auto on dozens of hunts
the benelli has interchangeable chokes, its lighter and ammos cheaper
if you do your job as a hunter correctly either choice in shotguns works just fine,
but theres zero doubt the 10 ga throws a bit tighter /denser pattern and has measurably increased reach,
now that rarely is a huge factor, as I try very hard to get turkey into the 35-40 yard,max range before you fire,
yes the 10 ga is a larger gun and heavier and ammos at times harder to find,
but its not like you shoot several boxes of shells on a turkey hunt
I generally have a box of shells last a couple years.
so why would anyone want a 10 ga?
if youve ever had a turkey strutting around at 45-47 yards, and were reluctant
to risk wounding ,you know damn well the the reason,
and yeah its damn effective even at that range, and probably a lot further,
but I refuse to try stretching it past that.
having confidence in your equipment, and a well proven effective pattern, does mater.
theres also the shot size options, lots of the guys I hunt with use #2 shot in 2.25 oz 10 ga hand loads
and that will kill very well at 50 yards and probably a lot further,
btw I know from experience that both the powder charge and shot cup design DO have a noticeable effect on the shot pattern density
BLUE DOT POWDER and the ballistic products longer shot cups with the fed cases and 2.25 oz #2 shot is what Ive used on many hunts
IM NOT impressed with the MEC loader I use but it does work

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1013168287/mec-600-jr-mark-5-single-stage-shotshell-press-10-gauge-3-1-2

https://www.precisionreloading.com/cart.php#!ga=10%20Gauge


https://www.ballisticproducts.com/

https://www.ballisticproducts.com/Th...uctinfo/00M10/

http://www.eregulations.com/wp-conte...18FLHD-LR2.pdf


mrbb 03-11-2019 08:26 AM


Originally Posted by hardcastonly (Post 4353307)
as will be all too common, the skill and experience of the person using the equipment has a huge effect on how effective it will be,
Ive used both an Ithaca 10 ga mag 10, and an benelli black eagle 12 ga 3" semi auto on dozens of hunts
the benelli has interchangeable chokes, its lighter and ammos cheaper
if you do your job as a hunter correctly either choice in shotguns works just fine,
but theres zero doubt the 10 ga throws a bit tighter /denser pattern and has measurably increased reach,
now that rarely is a huge factor, as I try very hard to get turkey into the 35-40 yard,max range before you fire,
yes the 10 ga is a larger gun and heavier and ammos at times harder to find,
but its not like you shoot several boxes of shells on a turkey hunt
I generally have a box of shells last a couple years.
so why would anyone want a 10 ga?
if youve ever had a turkey strutting around at 45-47 yards, and were reluctant
to risk wounding ,you know damn well the the reason,
and yeah its damn effective even at that range, and probably a lot further,
but I refuse to try stretching it past that.
having confidence in your equipment, and a well proven effective pattern, does mater.
theres also the shot size options, lots of the guys I hunt with use #2 shot in 2.25 oz 10 ga hand loads
and that will kill very well at 50 yards
btw I know from experience that both the powder charge and shot cup design DO have a noticeable effect on the shot pattern density
BLUE DOT POWDER and the ballistic products longer shot cups with the fed cases and 2.25 oz #2 shot is what Ive used on many hunts
IM NOT impressed with the MEC loader I use but it does work

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1013168287/mec-600-jr-mark-5-single-stage-shotshell-press-10-gauge-3-1-2

https://www.precisionreloading.com/cart.php#!ga=10%20Gauge


https://www.ballisticproducts.com/

https://www.ballisticproducts.com/Th...uctinfo/00M10/

http://www.eregulations.com/wp-conte...18FLHD-LR2.pdf


I'm going to add this, as this is a fact and an important part about ANY shotgun pattering
the Gauge of the shot gun doesn't mean it will shoot a better pattern
its a combination of a choke and load used in the gun
a LARGER gauge will MAYBE, ONLY have more shot in each round, that has NOTHING to do with how well or not it patterns out of the shotgun, the choke controls this'

a prime example is I have a die hard turkey hunter that uses a 10 gauge(rem)
he bought it 20+ yrs ago, wanting the biggest baddest shotgun in the woods LOL
his words! too by the way!
and then he shot it with the load he wanted to use
and the pattern was terrible, more OUT of a kill zone at 50 yards than in
we then shot several of our other 12 gauge , that others spent the time finding a load choke(many had custom chokes) and the 12 gauges held tighter patterns than his mighty 10 gauge
SURE the 10 gauge was throwing things down range with a LITTLE more power, but it just didn't pattern well AS IS<
he ended up buying a custom made choke tube and even goes as far as buying custom HIGH costing turkey loads, and it does shoot MUCH tighter patterns now(an added 250 bucks in costs for the choke and the ammo)
But to be honest, many guys in camp now with 12 ga 3.5 shells shoot patterns almost as tight, like maybe HE gets 10-12 extra BB's in a kill zone
and the basic 3 inch 12, are DARN close, with guys that have things dialed in!
the point again, here is NOT to bash the 10 gauge, just to say, its NOT the gauge that matters in HOW well a shotgun patterns, its all about the choke and ammo being fired thru it!
bigger gauge more powerful ?? doesn't matter if things don't hit the target!(and yes again 12 gauges and other shotguns might not pattern well here too in stock form with some loads in them)

redmag 03-11-2019 12:55 PM

NEF was what I used and I assume they still make them, of course in single shot. I had one for about 5 yrs. and killed a lot of birds until I started missing I think as a result of the recoil. Mine used a .690 Rhino choke and I shot Nitro shells 4x5x7 (I think that was the load). It was heavy even with the 2 lb. weight out of the stock. My brother had the Ithaca Mag 10 many years ago but he didn't keep it very long. after using it he didn't like the recoil or bulkiness of the gun. Good luck. I thought I should add that the gun patterned very tight at 40 yds. I now shoot a Remington 12 ga 870 with Ray's shells.

GOOD OLE BOY 03-11-2019 05:21 PM


Originally Posted by Bocajnala (Post 4353275)
He didn't ask about the performance or what was best. Or a comparison with 12s. He asked who all made 10 gauges still.

I've carried a .410, a 20, 16,12&10 gauge for turkey. Also a crossbow and a compound. (Only taken turkeys with the 10,12&20 and crossbow so far)

Not because I thought any were superior to the other. But because that's what I felt like doing.

It's not all about what performs the "best". It really isn't. Sometimes people just want to use something that they are interested in.

i don't know who makes new 10 gauges currently, although I would suspect there are some out there. I know that locally I often see 10s, especially single shots, on the classifieds and used shelves. And they are a 'blast' to bring out at a party

-Jake

Exactly.Thank you.

GOOD OLE BOY 03-11-2019 05:26 PM


Originally Posted by CalHunter (Post 4353303)
For the OP, it looks like Browning which is a great choice. Can your gun shop order one for you? For grinder67, I'm curious as to why you prefer the 10 over the 12. Better distance?

No one stocks Brownings of any gauge and they say there aren,t any around anywhere.No distributer,warehouse,no where.

GOOD OLE BOY 03-11-2019 05:48 PM

I have done internet searches I just thought I could find out more info by askin.I don,t like spendin hours starin at a computer screen.I ain,t that computer savvy.I am far from inexperienced.A 20 gauge and a 16 gauge has been my go to for years and probably will use a 410 this year as well.I wish I would have bought a 10 back when more Co,s made em.

GOOD OLE BOY 03-11-2019 05:50 PM


Originally Posted by redmag (Post 4353326)
NEF was what I used and I assume they still make them, of course in single shot. I had one for about 5 yrs. and killed a lot of birds until I started missing I think as a result of the recoil. Mine used a .690 Rhino choke and I shot Nitro shells 4x5x7 (I think that was the load). It was heavy even with the 2 lb. weight out of the stock. My brother had the Ithaca Mag 10 many years ago but he didn't keep it very long. after using it he didn't like the recoil or bulkiness of the gun. Good luck. I thought I should add that the gun patterned very tight at 40 yds. I now shoot a Remington 12 ga 870 with Ray's shells.


I,m to late for that party as well.Either Marlin sold it off before the Remington takeover.Or Remmy ceased NEF operations once they bought Marlin.I think the latter is the case.

Strut&Rut 03-12-2019 06:46 AM

I recognize that sometimes it's nice to use a different gun, but in large part the body is not well-equipped to absorb the excessive recoil forces. The recoil force of a 10ga is approximately 63ft lbs. Yep, you read that right - 63 foot pounds. For anyone that likes rifle shooting, you might quickly realize that the 60+ recoil force is roughly the equivalent of firing a .458 used to hunt African big game. My brother has a 10ga NEF single-shot and after shooting it, I told him it would do less damage to his 60yo shoulder if he turned it into an anchor for his canoe. Personally, I don't think the 10ga has much of a place in modern turkey hunting.

In addition to the excessive recoil forces, I'll also make the argument that with the modern non-lead loads (such as the newer TSS and Winchester Longbeard) there is no advantage for using a 10ga. A 12ga can reach out comfortably to 60 yards and a well-patterned 20ga is capable of humanely harvesting birds at 45 yards all day long with the right choke and the newer loads.

CalHunter 03-12-2019 07:33 AM

I get what you and many other people are saying. It's your personal experience and that has value. But in fairness, the OP only asked where he could find a 10 gauge. Cause he wants one. Judging by all of the posts on here about hunting with 10 gauge shotguns, apparently a few of you wanted one at one time also. For the OP, I checked Gunbroker.com and they have a few different used 10's for sale but they're pricey.

Timbrhuntr 03-12-2019 07:46 AM

I think a 12 gauge is overkill for turkeys so what !

I still have my mossy 835 and shoot 3.5" out of it even though everyone said it kicks too much etc etc etc but I didn't care wanted the gun and love it !

Good luck finding your 10 gauge .

mrbb 03-12-2019 08:10 AM

here is a whole list of 10 gauges for sale
took me a whole 2 minutes to find?

from Browning's in pump and semi auto to, sxs and over and dunders?

https://www.gunsinternational.com/gu...1301_p1_o6.cfm

mrbb 03-12-2019 08:14 AM

here a couple more for you
https://www.armslist.com/classifieds...ttype=7&ships=

grinder67 03-12-2019 08:28 AM


Originally Posted by CalHunter (Post 4353303)
For the OP, it looks like Browning which is a great choice. Can your gun shop order one for you? For grinder67, I'm curious as to why you prefer the 10 over the 12. Better distance?

No. The extra weight makes them way more comfortable for me to shoot than a lighter 12 ga. with 3.5" shells. Several of my friends own 3.5" 12 ga shotguns but very few of them ever shoot the 3.5's anymore. And I really love the quality and finish of my BPS's. I have shot a few 12 ga 3.5's and they rattled my brain a little, dont have that problem with my 10's but I am sure the single shot 10's would be a whole different ball game

CalHunter 03-12-2019 12:24 PM

I hadn't ever considered that. I shoot a 3.5" 12 and know what you mean about recoil for them. I may have to look into those. And anything made by Browning always seems to be nicely made.

Bocajnala 03-12-2019 12:50 PM

I have a single shot 10. I am not recoil sensitive. And I can tell you that it is not comfortable to shoot.

I've got a .458 win mag, a .338 win mag, several 12ga slug guns, and that 10ga will cross your eyes when you shoot it .

Like I said, it's a fun one to pull out at parties

-Jake

GOOD OLE BOY 03-12-2019 03:12 PM

That,s why I want one Boca.They are the ultimate Hammer of Thor.:fighting0007:

GOOD OLE BOY 03-12-2019 03:14 PM

I,m in Washington County.Next time you have a party give me a holler.:party0005::cool2:

mrbb 03-12-2019 03:44 PM


Originally Posted by GOOD OLE BOY (Post 4353372)
That,s why I want one Boca.They are the ultimate Hammer of Thor.:fighting0007:

well there are actually larger bore shotguns out there, 8 gauge and so on LOL

JoeA 03-12-2019 05:02 PM

A ways back, I was on some goose shoots in Sask, with a guy (Larry, SmartStick) who shot a 10ga pump. I think it was an old Browning. Sometimes more is more. The honkers were absolutely just swatted from the sky and his calling was superb. I seem to remember that Mossberg having an Ulti mag in 10ga.

GOOD OLE BOY 03-12-2019 06:16 PM

I,d luv to find a Marlin Super Goose.

Strut&Rut 03-12-2019 06:52 PM


Originally Posted by CalHunter (Post 4353355)
I get what you and many other people are saying. It's your personal experience and that has value. But in fairness, the OP only asked where he could find a 10 gauge. Cause he wants one. Judging by all of the posts on here about hunting with 10 gauge shotguns, apparently a few of you wanted one at one time also. For the OP, I checked Gunbroker.com and they have a few different used 10's for sale but they're pricey.

While I appreciate the fact the OP is asking where to find a 10ga - the question about a 10ga was posted to the Turkey Hunting Forum. Thus, I don't think the question is just 'where can I get a 10ga', but rather, 'where can I get a 10ga to hunt turkeys'. It is, after all, a turkey forum - we're not talking about pulling one out at a party to shoot at Hillary posters, or blasting geese or crows, or loading them with BBs to take out feral hogs.

A general firearm question could have been posted to the Firearms forum or even in the Classified/Wanted section...who knows, there may be a HN member ready to unload an old 10ga collecting dust...

Good luck with your search, may the shooting gods have mercy on your shoulder...

Bocajnala 03-13-2019 03:55 AM


Originally Posted by Strut&Rut (Post 4353382)

Good luck with your search, may the shooting gods have mercy on your shoulder...

That is a valid point. Using the mobile version I don't always notice what section a thread is put in. And in this case I didn't notice.

As for the shooting gods, as far as the 10ga is concerned.....



-Jake

GOOD OLE BOY 03-13-2019 06:48 AM

I apologize if I put this on the wrong thread.I don,t want one just to hunt Turkey,s.I just got caught up in the moment on this Turkey forum and just posted it here.Like I said.I want one cause they are the ultimate Bad A##.For the record.I ain,t into huntin Turkey,s at distance.I like em in close.I have checked out some used gun sites but my question was for what manufacturers still make new ones.Thanks for the responses.I too figured it would be easy to order a Browning cause it is currently on their site.But a dealer told me that don,t see any of the Brownings as bein available anywhere.I mean any gauge and model of Browning s/guns.

mrbb 03-13-2019 08:48 AM

your best bet again will be to search online for a dealer that has one in stock, and then have it shipped to YOUR dealer of choice, or look in places like armslist.com, and maybe find a private sale of one
there are folks out there selling some, I even added a link with some for sale?

Strut&Rut 03-13-2019 09:15 AM

Other than Browning, I believe the only people producing a 10ga are private/independent gun manufacturers and gunsmiths.

FYI, the 10ga BPS is listed on the Browning site as a 'current production' model. It's available but probably a special order.

Like others have said, you'll find a wider variety of used makes/models on the various websites like gunbroker.com, etc.

hardcastonly 03-13-2019 12:19 PM



notice the recoil is not as bad as many people predict
as the action absorbs a good deal of recoil

mrbb 03-13-2019 02:49 PM


Originally Posted by hardcastonly (Post 4353405)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QK71feh-Ewk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LLDMCIS41I

notice the recoil is not as bad as many people predict
as the action absorbs a good deal of recoil

the recoil is there, that is a larger guy shooting it with decent form
ALL semi auto's will help absorb some of the recoil by the design, some better than others here.
Like it or not a 10 gauge has recoil
and more CON"S than Pro's
and this is why so few are sold and made

a semi auto will also make a 12 ga have less recoil
faster second shots ON target faster!
again NOT bashing the 10 ga, just giving honest info!

redmag 03-13-2019 02:54 PM

Both those guys shooting the Mag 10 are bigger than I am. I can tell you when I was using my 10ga. NEF Pardner and the shells from Nitro Company that the gun kicked far harder than the Mag 10 in the video. One morning when I shot a bird I seriously thought I had dislocated my shoulder. Used it for 4-5 years and sold it. It kicked far harder than my 300 WinMag does.


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