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10 Gauge Hammer of Thor.
Who all makes em anymore?Browning suppose to but no-one seems to stock Browning stuff.I,d love to have one.
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Why? a 12 gauge with a good choke will do anything a 10 gauge will do and the ammo is s lot less expensive.
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cheaper 12 ga vs 10 ga, ammo yes ,
10 ga guns tend to be heavier, true! but if you reload its not nearly AS BAD, a 10 ga , loaded correctly tends to throw a bit denser patterns, in my experience yes individual guns and chokes vary but my ithaca MAG 10 certainly works rather well. and if your looking for a turkey gun with a bit extra reach a 10 ga has potential http://www.eregulations.com/wp-conte...18FLHD-LR2.pdf google "mag 10 Ithaca shotgun for sale" ![]() http://garage.grumpysperformance.com...-choice.14296/ |
So does Ithaca still make 10's? Didn't know that. For the OP, you may have to have your local gun store special order a Browning 10.
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Rem /Browning , would be the one's I would look at
long time proven record and decent recoil design with them But I fully echo what other's said, there is NO reason to use a 10 gauge for turkeys or IMO a 3.5 inch 12 Ga either! MY reason is a 10 gauge is a much heavier gun to have to carry about, sling or not, a long day in the woods with it chasing turkeys and its a trying deal when you could be carrying a 12 gauge, that weight's less odds are shorter too, and have almost as good a pattern at same ranges or under 50 yards which is honestly about anyone should need to to be shooting turkeys, with green up happening fast, odds are about all you can see to be honest LOL ammo is more too, but if your reloading, its not as big a difference for sure but your still dealing with a lot of EXTRA gun, than needed!~ if it makes you happy to use it, have at it LOL we are all younger and dumber at times in our life's, so won't bash anyone if its what makes em happy! |
I,ve looked on Ithaca,s site in the past and never seen a 10 listed.I,ll have to go back and check.
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why not ask around among your friends and see if anyone owns a quality 10 ga and 12 ga they use,
and actually put a few targets up at 30- 40,-50,-60 yards , stick a few 2" orange sticky target dots to represent a turkeys head and try a few shots, using each shotgun,from a typical seated position, all using the same shot size, get a feel for each guns size weight and effective reach (lets say #4 or #5 in several of the various shot guns/and gauges) keep in mind an extra 10-15 yards can easily be the difference between success/failure but you really should get those turkeys in under 35 yards when you can. and you try hard to not shoot untill the targets well within your comfort range thats basically , what I did decades ago, and why I prefer my ithaca mag 10. sure it will cost you the price of a couple boxes of shells, if the guys with the shotguns don,t kick in a few to use, but youll deal in facts vs what some guy posting might say. https://www.cabelas.com/product/Remi...ads/739986.uts https://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/ammo-10-gauge-hevi-shot-hevi-13-3-1-2-5-2-3-8-ounce-1090-fps-5-round-box-816383135051.do?sortby=ourPicks&refType=&from=fn&e cList=7&ecCategory=201499 https://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/ammo-10-gauge-winchester-supreme-high-velocity-turkey-3-1-2-4-copper-plated-2-ounce-1300-fps-10-round-box-020892013674.do?sortby=ourPicks&refType=&from=fn&e cList=7&ecCategory=201499 https://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/federal-grand-slam-10-gauge-ammunition-10-rounds-3-1-2-length-5-copper-plated-lead-2-ounce-flightcontrol-flex-wad-1200fps-604544628265.do?sortby=ourPicks&refType=&from=fn&e cList=7&ecCategory=201499 |
GOB, here you go.
https://www.gunsamerica.com/953915982/Ithaca-Mag-10.htm |
He didn't ask about the performance or what was best. Or a comparison with 12s. He asked who all made 10 gauges still.
I've carried a .410, a 20, 16,12&10 gauge for turkey. Also a crossbow and a compound. (Only taken turkeys with the 10,12&20 and crossbow so far) Not because I thought any were superior to the other. But because that's what I felt like doing. It's not all about what performs the "best". It really isn't. Sometimes people just want to use something that they are interested in. i don't know who makes new 10 gauges currently, although I would suspect there are some out there. I know that locally I often see 10s, especially single shots, on the classifieds and used shelves. And they are a 'blast' to bring out at a party -Jake |
Originally Posted by Bocajnala
(Post 4353275)
He didn't ask about the performance or what was best. Or a comparison with 12s. He asked who all made 10 gauges still.
I've carried a .410, a 20, 16,12&10 gauge for turkey. Also a crossbow and a compound. (Only taken turkeys with the 10,12&20 and crossbow so far) Not because I thought any were superior to the other. But because that's what I felt like doing. It's not all about what performs the "best". It really isn't. Sometimes people just want to use something that they are interested in. i don't know who makes new 10 gauges currently, although I would suspect there are some out there. I know that locally I often see 10s, especially single shots, on the classifieds and used shelves. And they are a 'blast' to bring out at a party -Jake BUT then again, some folks are NEW to things and don't know a lot about guns or hunting , when they start a tread and I think many of us with a lot more experience, sometimes see thru this, based on how many posts/treads are worded and or the topic in question forgive me if I am WRONG as I mean NO disrespect BUT when a person comes on a forum asking WHO makes a 10 gauge, , being I owned a gun shop and been in the game a long time' I tend to right off think, MAYBE they are new and don;t know much about guns as the world wide web is out there these days, and about anyone can google a search and find makers! and most again experienced gun owners/ shooters and hunters know how to find this info without asking for help on a forum AGAIN, NO disrespect meant here, it just an example of how some times things like this can be viewed, and well, then answers to the question at hand get sort of side tracked, as the more experienced folks THINK they can maybe help the OP in a different way and thus offer info, they maybe didn;t ask for, BUT maybe they would still appreciate! I gave both., I said you can sure shoot what ever you like, and good for you and also gave other advice/suggestions, as well as WHO makes one's I would recommend IF the OP cannot get and or find a BROWNING at HIS local shop/gun store again there is the world wide web to turn to and if you look online you will find they for sale, and ALL he has to do is FIND a dealer, and have HIS dealer contact them and THEY can get him the gun maybe he again doesn't know this which again, would to ME< again say, they are some what new to things an don't know this info, which again says maybe MAYBE , they have less than a lot of experience here! I don't think ANYONE here replied to the OP's post with any disrespect meant, and ONLY replied hoping they could HELP the OP as again,a 10 gauge is heavy, and costs a LOT more $$, when the gains are SMALL in shooting a turkey over a 12 gauge! I too have killed turkeys with a LOT of different gauges/calibers and archery gear, what I like, doesn't mean to me anyone else has to like, and vise versa! I will LASTLY add, that it is NOT only the gauge and or LOAD that makes one gun shoot a better pattern than another so JUST shooting say 10 ga and 12 ga at targets will NOT really tell you anything just like rifles, some guns prefer different loads than others and shoot tighter groups due to the one they like and THEN there is CHOKES< there are MANY different chokes in shotguns, from factory to custom, that can MAKE a BIG difference in how a shotgun patterns at different distances! I added the last info, in case one doesn';t know this, NOT to be forcing info on anyone or getting off topic, its just GOOD honest INFO for anyone that reads this! |
Brownings web site shows they still currently make the BPS and the Gold in 10 ga.. I did not find any on Remingtons page. I own 2 BPS 10 and a remington SP 10 and I love hunting with any of them and would much rather shoot one of them over any 12ga 3.5"
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For the OP, it looks like Browning which is a great choice. Can your gun shop order one for you? For grinder67, I'm curious as to why you prefer the 10 over the 12. Better distance?
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as will be all too common, the skill and experience of the person using the equipment has a huge effect on how effective it will be,
Ive used both an Ithaca 10 ga mag 10, and an benelli black eagle 12 ga 3" semi auto on dozens of hunts the benelli has interchangeable chokes, its lighter and ammos cheaper if you do your job as a hunter correctly either choice in shotguns works just fine, but theres zero doubt the 10 ga throws a bit tighter /denser pattern and has measurably increased reach, now that rarely is a huge factor, as I try very hard to get turkey into the 35-40 yard,max range before you fire, yes the 10 ga is a larger gun and heavier and ammos at times harder to find, but its not like you shoot several boxes of shells on a turkey hunt I generally have a box of shells last a couple years. so why would anyone want a 10 ga? if youve ever had a turkey strutting around at 45-47 yards, and were reluctant to risk wounding ,you know damn well the the reason, and yeah its damn effective even at that range, and probably a lot further, but I refuse to try stretching it past that. having confidence in your equipment, and a well proven effective pattern, does mater. theres also the shot size options, lots of the guys I hunt with use #2 shot in 2.25 oz 10 ga hand loads and that will kill very well at 50 yards and probably a lot further, btw I know from experience that both the powder charge and shot cup design DO have a noticeable effect on the shot pattern density BLUE DOT POWDER and the ballistic products longer shot cups with the fed cases and 2.25 oz #2 shot is what Ive used on many hunts IM NOT impressed with the MEC loader I use but it does work https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1013168287/mec-600-jr-mark-5-single-stage-shotshell-press-10-gauge-3-1-2 https://www.precisionreloading.com/cart.php#!ga=10%20Gauge https://www.ballisticproducts.com/ https://www.ballisticproducts.com/Th...uctinfo/00M10/ http://www.eregulations.com/wp-conte...18FLHD-LR2.pdf ![]() ![]() |
Originally Posted by hardcastonly
(Post 4353307)
as will be all too common, the skill and experience of the person using the equipment has a huge effect on how effective it will be,
Ive used both an Ithaca 10 ga mag 10, and an benelli black eagle 12 ga 3" semi auto on dozens of hunts the benelli has interchangeable chokes, its lighter and ammos cheaper if you do your job as a hunter correctly either choice in shotguns works just fine, but theres zero doubt the 10 ga throws a bit tighter /denser pattern and has measurably increased reach, now that rarely is a huge factor, as I try very hard to get turkey into the 35-40 yard,max range before you fire, yes the 10 ga is a larger gun and heavier and ammos at times harder to find, but its not like you shoot several boxes of shells on a turkey hunt I generally have a box of shells last a couple years. so why would anyone want a 10 ga? if youve ever had a turkey strutting around at 45-47 yards, and were reluctant to risk wounding ,you know damn well the the reason, and yeah its damn effective even at that range, and probably a lot further, but I refuse to try stretching it past that. having confidence in your equipment, and a well proven effective pattern, does mater. theres also the shot size options, lots of the guys I hunt with use #2 shot in 2.25 oz 10 ga hand loads and that will kill very well at 50 yards btw I know from experience that both the powder charge and shot cup design DO have a noticeable effect on the shot pattern density BLUE DOT POWDER and the ballistic products longer shot cups with the fed cases and 2.25 oz #2 shot is what Ive used on many hunts IM NOT impressed with the MEC loader I use but it does work https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1013168287/mec-600-jr-mark-5-single-stage-shotshell-press-10-gauge-3-1-2 https://www.precisionreloading.com/cart.php#!ga=10%20Gauge https://www.ballisticproducts.com/ https://www.ballisticproducts.com/Th...uctinfo/00M10/ http://www.eregulations.com/wp-conte...18FLHD-LR2.pdf ![]() ![]() the Gauge of the shot gun doesn't mean it will shoot a better pattern its a combination of a choke and load used in the gun a LARGER gauge will MAYBE, ONLY have more shot in each round, that has NOTHING to do with how well or not it patterns out of the shotgun, the choke controls this' a prime example is I have a die hard turkey hunter that uses a 10 gauge(rem) he bought it 20+ yrs ago, wanting the biggest baddest shotgun in the woods LOL his words! too by the way! and then he shot it with the load he wanted to use and the pattern was terrible, more OUT of a kill zone at 50 yards than in we then shot several of our other 12 gauge , that others spent the time finding a load choke(many had custom chokes) and the 12 gauges held tighter patterns than his mighty 10 gauge SURE the 10 gauge was throwing things down range with a LITTLE more power, but it just didn't pattern well AS IS< he ended up buying a custom made choke tube and even goes as far as buying custom HIGH costing turkey loads, and it does shoot MUCH tighter patterns now(an added 250 bucks in costs for the choke and the ammo) But to be honest, many guys in camp now with 12 ga 3.5 shells shoot patterns almost as tight, like maybe HE gets 10-12 extra BB's in a kill zone and the basic 3 inch 12, are DARN close, with guys that have things dialed in! the point again, here is NOT to bash the 10 gauge, just to say, its NOT the gauge that matters in HOW well a shotgun patterns, its all about the choke and ammo being fired thru it! bigger gauge more powerful ?? doesn't matter if things don't hit the target!(and yes again 12 gauges and other shotguns might not pattern well here too in stock form with some loads in them) |
NEF was what I used and I assume they still make them, of course in single shot. I had one for about 5 yrs. and killed a lot of birds until I started missing I think as a result of the recoil. Mine used a .690 Rhino choke and I shot Nitro shells 4x5x7 (I think that was the load). It was heavy even with the 2 lb. weight out of the stock. My brother had the Ithaca Mag 10 many years ago but he didn't keep it very long. after using it he didn't like the recoil or bulkiness of the gun. Good luck. I thought I should add that the gun patterned very tight at 40 yds. I now shoot a Remington 12 ga 870 with Ray's shells.
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Originally Posted by Bocajnala
(Post 4353275)
He didn't ask about the performance or what was best. Or a comparison with 12s. He asked who all made 10 gauges still.
I've carried a .410, a 20, 16,12&10 gauge for turkey. Also a crossbow and a compound. (Only taken turkeys with the 10,12&20 and crossbow so far) Not because I thought any were superior to the other. But because that's what I felt like doing. It's not all about what performs the "best". It really isn't. Sometimes people just want to use something that they are interested in. i don't know who makes new 10 gauges currently, although I would suspect there are some out there. I know that locally I often see 10s, especially single shots, on the classifieds and used shelves. And they are a 'blast' to bring out at a party -Jake |
Originally Posted by CalHunter
(Post 4353303)
For the OP, it looks like Browning which is a great choice. Can your gun shop order one for you? For grinder67, I'm curious as to why you prefer the 10 over the 12. Better distance?
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I have done internet searches I just thought I could find out more info by askin.I don,t like spendin hours starin at a computer screen.I ain,t that computer savvy.I am far from inexperienced.A 20 gauge and a 16 gauge has been my go to for years and probably will use a 410 this year as well.I wish I would have bought a 10 back when more Co,s made em.
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Originally Posted by redmag
(Post 4353326)
NEF was what I used and I assume they still make them, of course in single shot. I had one for about 5 yrs. and killed a lot of birds until I started missing I think as a result of the recoil. Mine used a .690 Rhino choke and I shot Nitro shells 4x5x7 (I think that was the load). It was heavy even with the 2 lb. weight out of the stock. My brother had the Ithaca Mag 10 many years ago but he didn't keep it very long. after using it he didn't like the recoil or bulkiness of the gun. Good luck. I thought I should add that the gun patterned very tight at 40 yds. I now shoot a Remington 12 ga 870 with Ray's shells.
I,m to late for that party as well.Either Marlin sold it off before the Remington takeover.Or Remmy ceased NEF operations once they bought Marlin.I think the latter is the case. |
I recognize that sometimes it's nice to use a different gun, but in large part the body is not well-equipped to absorb the excessive recoil forces. The recoil force of a 10ga is approximately 63ft lbs. Yep, you read that right - 63 foot pounds. For anyone that likes rifle shooting, you might quickly realize that the 60+ recoil force is roughly the equivalent of firing a .458 used to hunt African big game. My brother has a 10ga NEF single-shot and after shooting it, I told him it would do less damage to his 60yo shoulder if he turned it into an anchor for his canoe. Personally, I don't think the 10ga has much of a place in modern turkey hunting.
In addition to the excessive recoil forces, I'll also make the argument that with the modern non-lead loads (such as the newer TSS and Winchester Longbeard) there is no advantage for using a 10ga. A 12ga can reach out comfortably to 60 yards and a well-patterned 20ga is capable of humanely harvesting birds at 45 yards all day long with the right choke and the newer loads. |
I get what you and many other people are saying. It's your personal experience and that has value. But in fairness, the OP only asked where he could find a 10 gauge. Cause he wants one. Judging by all of the posts on here about hunting with 10 gauge shotguns, apparently a few of you wanted one at one time also. For the OP, I checked Gunbroker.com and they have a few different used 10's for sale but they're pricey.
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I think a 12 gauge is overkill for turkeys so what !
I still have my mossy 835 and shoot 3.5" out of it even though everyone said it kicks too much etc etc etc but I didn't care wanted the gun and love it ! Good luck finding your 10 gauge . |
here is a whole list of 10 gauges for sale
took me a whole 2 minutes to find? from Browning's in pump and semi auto to, sxs and over and dunders? https://www.gunsinternational.com/gu...1301_p1_o6.cfm |
here a couple more for you
https://www.armslist.com/classifieds...ttype=7&ships= |
Originally Posted by CalHunter
(Post 4353303)
For the OP, it looks like Browning which is a great choice. Can your gun shop order one for you? For grinder67, I'm curious as to why you prefer the 10 over the 12. Better distance?
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I hadn't ever considered that. I shoot a 3.5" 12 and know what you mean about recoil for them. I may have to look into those. And anything made by Browning always seems to be nicely made.
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I have a single shot 10. I am not recoil sensitive. And I can tell you that it is not comfortable to shoot.
I've got a .458 win mag, a .338 win mag, several 12ga slug guns, and that 10ga will cross your eyes when you shoot it . Like I said, it's a fun one to pull out at parties -Jake |
That,s why I want one Boca.They are the ultimate Hammer of Thor.:fighting0007:
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I,m in Washington County.Next time you have a party give me a holler.:party0005::cool2:
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Originally Posted by GOOD OLE BOY
(Post 4353372)
That,s why I want one Boca.They are the ultimate Hammer of Thor.:fighting0007:
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A ways back, I was on some goose shoots in Sask, with a guy (Larry, SmartStick) who shot a 10ga pump. I think it was an old Browning. Sometimes more is more. The honkers were absolutely just swatted from the sky and his calling was superb. I seem to remember that Mossberg having an Ulti mag in 10ga.
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I,d luv to find a Marlin Super Goose.
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Originally Posted by CalHunter
(Post 4353355)
I get what you and many other people are saying. It's your personal experience and that has value. But in fairness, the OP only asked where he could find a 10 gauge. Cause he wants one. Judging by all of the posts on here about hunting with 10 gauge shotguns, apparently a few of you wanted one at one time also. For the OP, I checked Gunbroker.com and they have a few different used 10's for sale but they're pricey.
A general firearm question could have been posted to the Firearms forum or even in the Classified/Wanted section...who knows, there may be a HN member ready to unload an old 10ga collecting dust... Good luck with your search, may the shooting gods have mercy on your shoulder... |
I apologize if I put this on the wrong thread.I don,t want one just to hunt Turkey,s.I just got caught up in the moment on this Turkey forum and just posted it here.Like I said.I want one cause they are the ultimate Bad A##.For the record.I ain,t into huntin Turkey,s at distance.I like em in close.I have checked out some used gun sites but my question was for what manufacturers still make new ones.Thanks for the responses.I too figured it would be easy to order a Browning cause it is currently on their site.But a dealer told me that don,t see any of the Brownings as bein available anywhere.I mean any gauge and model of Browning s/guns.
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your best bet again will be to search online for a dealer that has one in stock, and then have it shipped to YOUR dealer of choice, or look in places like armslist.com, and maybe find a private sale of one
there are folks out there selling some, I even added a link with some for sale? |
Other than Browning, I believe the only people producing a 10ga are private/independent gun manufacturers and gunsmiths.
FYI, the 10ga BPS is listed on the Browning site as a 'current production' model. It's available but probably a special order. Like others have said, you'll find a wider variety of used makes/models on the various websites like gunbroker.com, etc. |
notice the recoil is not as bad as many people predict as the action absorbs a good deal of recoil |
Originally Posted by hardcastonly
(Post 4353405)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QK71feh-Ewk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LLDMCIS41I notice the recoil is not as bad as many people predict as the action absorbs a good deal of recoil ALL semi auto's will help absorb some of the recoil by the design, some better than others here. Like it or not a 10 gauge has recoil and more CON"S than Pro's and this is why so few are sold and made a semi auto will also make a 12 ga have less recoil faster second shots ON target faster! again NOT bashing the 10 ga, just giving honest info! |
Both those guys shooting the Mag 10 are bigger than I am. I can tell you when I was using my 10ga. NEF Pardner and the shells from Nitro Company that the gun kicked far harder than the Mag 10 in the video. One morning when I shot a bird I seriously thought I had dislocated my shoulder. Used it for 4-5 years and sold it. It kicked far harder than my 300 WinMag does.
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