Turkey Breeding Phases
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I have a question. For the past two weeks (10th, 11th and 18th) the toms were gobbling like crazy on the roost in the morning. When I would see them in the fields, they were in groups of three to four toms/jakes. It didn't seem like they were breeding because they would follow a hen for a bit and leave her. Saturday morning they totally ignored a hen and just fed right past her and went the opposite way. Sunday we had several gobbling and they responded to our calls first thing in the morning (came running from about 200 yards) and didn't seem to be with hens. Today they were totally quiet. Not one gobble this morning. We had a perfectly clear night/morning with a slight breeze. They went nuts in the same conditions this past Sunday. Do you think the hens are ready to breed now? Did they not gobble because they roosted with hens? How do you determine what phase they are in as far as breeding goes?
Thanks for any advice/input.
Thanks for any advice/input.
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Found this...I am assuming they are in Phase 4
The Turkey Breeding Season Phases:
Phase 1: Flock Re-integration Phase Gobbling Peak
Turkeys often spend the winter divided into hen groups, tom groups and jake groups. However, in some areas, especially when the food sources are limited, the turkeys may stay together in large mixed flocks. As the days become warmer in the spring, the jakes and toms may leave the hens. Then, as the urge to mate comes over the turkeys the jakes may join the toms to form groups and search for hens. In areas where food sources are limited the toms and jakes may travel with the hens throughout the day, and roost with them at night. As a result of the toms being in contact with the hens throughout the day and night, there may be an early gobbling peak that is not often talked about. Gobbling at this time is usually performed by adult males, and as the days grow longer more males begin to gobble. In the south gobbling may begin in early February, in the north it may begin as early as the first week of March.
Phase 2: Post Flock Re-integration Phase Gobbling Lull
During the three years of my research I found that gobbling activity usually decreased within a week of the toms and hens getting together. Although this lack of gobbling may be a result of the toms being near the hens, and thus not needing to gobble, I suspect that low temperatures and wet conditions contributed to decreased gobbling. This is when birds in some areas begin to leave their wintering areas, and when large tom flocks may break up into smaller groups, which results in less gobbling activity.
Phase 3: Pre-Primary Breeding Phase Gobbling Peak
As the days become longer the toms start to gobble more. Although the hens may not be ready to breed at this time (because they are either not ready, or it is too cold and wet) the toms are ready, and they increase their gobbling in an effort to attract the hens. This results in an increase in gobbling prior to the Primary Breeding Phase. If the hens are still in large flocks they may begin to breakup and migrate at this time. The hen groups may be followed by the toms as they migrate, or the toms may follow the hens one or more days later. Because the toms are ready to breed and are still establishing dominance, they may respond to the sound of a hen to try to initiate breeding, or to the sound of a gobbler to exert dominance. This phase may last a week or more, until many of the hens are ready to breed.
Phase 4: Primary Breeding Phase Gobbling Lull
As the days continue to grow longer, and the weather warms, the hens become interested in breeding and spend more time at feeding areas and strutting sites, where the toms often hang out. To attract the hens when they are within visual range the toms gobble less, and begin to display by strutting, showing their colorful head, and by spitting and drumming. Because the toms are displaying instead of calling to attract hens there is a decrease in gobbling during this phase. This is when the toms are least likely to respond to a call. This phase may last from a few days to a couple of weeks, depending on the number and sex ratio of birds in the area, and the weather.
Phase 5: Post Primary Breeding Phase Gobbling Peak
After the hens have been bred they begin building nests and laying eggs. However, they don't spend much time on the nest until after their last egg has been laid. Since hens may lay up to 12 eggs, they may not begin nesting until 1-2 weeks after they have been bred. While they are laying and nesting the hens usually travel by themselves, but they may join other hens at preferred feeding/strutting sites, where there may be toms. Gobbling activity usually reaches its highest level while the hens nest and the toms try to attract any hens that are still willing to breed. This is when the toms may be the most willing to respond to calling. This phase may last for a week or more.
Phase 6: Nesting Phase Gobbling Lull
Gobbling activity usually decreases within a few weeks of the majority of the hens being bred. During this phase the hens begin to spend more time on their nests, and fewer hens show up at early morning feeding and strutting areas. The decrease in gobbling at this time may be a result of the toms being worn out and seeing fewer hens. Older hens may breed again at this time if their first nesting attempt was unsuccessful. Yearling hens may begin their first breeding during this phase.
Phase 7: Post Nesting Phase Gobbling Peak
During my studies in both 1999 and 2000 there was an increase in gobbling activity by single subdominant toms and groups of jakes in late May. Because researchers believe that gobbling by dominant males suppresses gobbling by subdominants, I suspect that the subdominant jakes and toms began gobbling at this time because the dominants were done gobbling. This gobbling peak may precede a late breeding phase of older hens attempting to re-nest, and yearling hens attempting to nest for the first time. This phase may not occur in all areas.
Phase 1: Flock Re-integration Phase Gobbling Peak
Turkeys often spend the winter divided into hen groups, tom groups and jake groups. However, in some areas, especially when the food sources are limited, the turkeys may stay together in large mixed flocks. As the days become warmer in the spring, the jakes and toms may leave the hens. Then, as the urge to mate comes over the turkeys the jakes may join the toms to form groups and search for hens. In areas where food sources are limited the toms and jakes may travel with the hens throughout the day, and roost with them at night. As a result of the toms being in contact with the hens throughout the day and night, there may be an early gobbling peak that is not often talked about. Gobbling at this time is usually performed by adult males, and as the days grow longer more males begin to gobble. In the south gobbling may begin in early February, in the north it may begin as early as the first week of March.
Phase 2: Post Flock Re-integration Phase Gobbling Lull
During the three years of my research I found that gobbling activity usually decreased within a week of the toms and hens getting together. Although this lack of gobbling may be a result of the toms being near the hens, and thus not needing to gobble, I suspect that low temperatures and wet conditions contributed to decreased gobbling. This is when birds in some areas begin to leave their wintering areas, and when large tom flocks may break up into smaller groups, which results in less gobbling activity.
Phase 3: Pre-Primary Breeding Phase Gobbling Peak
As the days become longer the toms start to gobble more. Although the hens may not be ready to breed at this time (because they are either not ready, or it is too cold and wet) the toms are ready, and they increase their gobbling in an effort to attract the hens. This results in an increase in gobbling prior to the Primary Breeding Phase. If the hens are still in large flocks they may begin to breakup and migrate at this time. The hen groups may be followed by the toms as they migrate, or the toms may follow the hens one or more days later. Because the toms are ready to breed and are still establishing dominance, they may respond to the sound of a hen to try to initiate breeding, or to the sound of a gobbler to exert dominance. This phase may last a week or more, until many of the hens are ready to breed.
Phase 4: Primary Breeding Phase Gobbling Lull
As the days continue to grow longer, and the weather warms, the hens become interested in breeding and spend more time at feeding areas and strutting sites, where the toms often hang out. To attract the hens when they are within visual range the toms gobble less, and begin to display by strutting, showing their colorful head, and by spitting and drumming. Because the toms are displaying instead of calling to attract hens there is a decrease in gobbling during this phase. This is when the toms are least likely to respond to a call. This phase may last from a few days to a couple of weeks, depending on the number and sex ratio of birds in the area, and the weather.
Phase 5: Post Primary Breeding Phase Gobbling Peak
After the hens have been bred they begin building nests and laying eggs. However, they don't spend much time on the nest until after their last egg has been laid. Since hens may lay up to 12 eggs, they may not begin nesting until 1-2 weeks after they have been bred. While they are laying and nesting the hens usually travel by themselves, but they may join other hens at preferred feeding/strutting sites, where there may be toms. Gobbling activity usually reaches its highest level while the hens nest and the toms try to attract any hens that are still willing to breed. This is when the toms may be the most willing to respond to calling. This phase may last for a week or more.
Phase 6: Nesting Phase Gobbling Lull
Gobbling activity usually decreases within a few weeks of the majority of the hens being bred. During this phase the hens begin to spend more time on their nests, and fewer hens show up at early morning feeding and strutting areas. The decrease in gobbling at this time may be a result of the toms being worn out and seeing fewer hens. Older hens may breed again at this time if their first nesting attempt was unsuccessful. Yearling hens may begin their first breeding during this phase.
Phase 7: Post Nesting Phase Gobbling Peak
During my studies in both 1999 and 2000 there was an increase in gobbling activity by single subdominant toms and groups of jakes in late May. Because researchers believe that gobbling by dominant males suppresses gobbling by subdominants, I suspect that the subdominant jakes and toms began gobbling at this time because the dominants were done gobbling. This gobbling peak may precede a late breeding phase of older hens attempting to re-nest, and yearling hens attempting to nest for the first time. This phase may not occur in all areas.
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Not gobbling...Most likely the gobblers where with hens that said the turkeys I hunt almost always have hens with or near them in the roost area and alway gobble from the roost unless there is bad weather. After fly down they may or may not stop gobbling right away when they are with hens, they will still respond to my calls so I can find them.
Not sure if you are or can hunt in the afternoon where you are at but I would suggest you try it the gobblers are easer to call in.
Not sure if you are or can hunt in the afternoon where you are at but I would suggest you try it the gobblers are easer to call in.



