Here's a brain teaser!
01-13-2002, 09:34 AM
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Nontypical Buck
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Here's a brain teaser!
Do all turkeys,(hens and toms) have a desire to breed in the spring of the year?I've been doing some interesting reading here lately and alot of our well reknown turkey enthusiasts dont think so.I'll tell you what guys like Jim Clay and Don Shipp have to say about this after I see your responses here!Interesting observation I can tell you that. <img src=icon_smile_question.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>
01-13-2002, 10:02 AM
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Typical Buck
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RE: Here's a brain teaser!
..Just my two cents worth,The word (all)stands out,i dont think that (all)hens have that desire,but i feal that (all)of the gobblers do.Thats just a thought...
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01-14-2002, 06:48 PM
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RE: Here's a brain teaser!
It seems to me that most( don't know about ALL ) gobblers are lookin for love come spring. I've also heard a lot of jealous sounding hens interrupting and getting between me and those gobblers. I guess if it is instinctive for them to nest, then maybe it follows that it's also instinctive to want to mate. But then, If female turkeys are anything like female people, no man will ever figure them out for sure!!:-)
01-15-2002, 08:17 AM
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Fork Horn
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RE: Here's a brain teaser!
All? Wow, that's pretty much all of them. My pastor defines 'all' as this: All means all and that's all all means. <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>
My guess would be NO. There could be one turkey out there that has a medical problem or was born without *%*&(*% (naturally neutered?) Poor little eunuch <img src=icon_smile_shock.gif border=0 align=middle>
Romans 8:28
My guess would be NO. There could be one turkey out there that has a medical problem or was born without *%*&(*% (naturally neutered?) Poor little eunuch <img src=icon_smile_shock.gif border=0 align=middle>
Romans 8:28
01-16-2002, 09:30 AM
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Nontypical Buck
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RE: Here's a brain teaser!
Good answers here fellas,all that were bold enough to take a shot at it anyway. Back quite a few years I spent nearly an entire spring season on trying to harvest two big ole gobblers that were together the entire season.They would answer my calls on the roost and occasionally on the ground but would never make an attempt to come in even though I tried about every trick in the book and every tactic in calling.Low pitched,high pitched,aggressive,coy,I challenged em,they wanted nothing to do with me.And to top it off I witnessed on more than one occasion them walking off from hens themselves.I came to the conclusion after a frusrterating year that these two gobblers were in fact infatuated with each other.Almost everytime I seen them they were in strut with there attention directed the majority of the time at each other.I finally started going after other birds even though they would gobble like crazy on the roost.Luckily the area I was hunting was loaded with birds so it gave me other opportunities to hunt.To this end Don Shipp well known turkey hunter and 1997World Turkey calling champion believes that in areas where turkey populations have saturated the available habitat,a significant number of gobblers lose the desire to mate with hens and therefore dont show interest in seeking out the hen so seductively calling to him.Jim Clay Perfection call owner manufacturer agrees and explains "in nature wildlife sexual behavior is influenced by population dynamics.When populations approach the limit that the area can support,animals and birds begin to breed at older ages,have fewer offspring,and fewer individuals actually mate.This results is a static population that no longer increases in growth.In areas where the population is complete saturation you have flocks that are made up of fewer breeding birds and are made up of nonreproductive individuals.One dominant gobbler does all the breeding and this gobbler is whom the hens seek out,but often times other adult gobblers will be present that watch,strut,and gobble,but will never attempt to court a hen but focus mainly on each other. These particular gobblers the hens show no interest".I think all of us who have turkey hunted awhile have had those mornings where it seems like a gobbler was gobbling on every limb but come flydown the woods become silent even though we're throwin out some of the sexiest hen talk we can make.This could be one of the reasons why.I know I have ran into birds like this before and we can deduct to say maybe that they are "*****".Or maybe because of the circumstances surrounding their general population that this has alot to do with there behavior.But it sure sheds alot of light on some of those quite mornings when you know your in prime turkey country and all is quiet. <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>
Back quite a few years I spent nearly an entire spring season on trying to harvest two big ole gobblers that were together the entire season.They would answer my calls on the roost and occasionally on the ground but would never make an attempt to come in even though I tried about every trick in the book and every tactic in calling.Low pitched,high pitched,aggressive,coy,I challenged em,they wanted nothing to do with me.And to top it off I witnessed on more than one occasion them walking off from hens themselves.I came to the conclusion after a frusrterating year that these two gobblers were in fact infatuated with each other.Almost everytime I seen them they were in strut with there attention directed the majority of the time at each other.I finally started going after other birds even though they would gobble like crazy on the roost.Luckily the area I was hunting was loaded with birds so it gave me other opportunities to hunt.To this end Don Shipp well known turkey hunter and 1997World Turkey calling champion believes that in areas where turkey populations have saturated the available habitat,a significant number of gobblers lose the desire to mate with hens and therefore dont show interest in seeking out the hen so seductively calling to him.Jim Clay Perfection call owner manufacturer agrees and explains "in nature wildlife sexual behavior is influenced by population dynamics.When populations approach the limit that the area can support,animals and birds begin to breed at older ages,have fewer offspring,and fewer individuals actually mate.This results is a static population that no longer increases in growth.In areas where the population is complete saturation you have flocks that are made up of fewer breeding birds and are made up of nonreproductive individuals.One dominant gobbler does all the breeding and this gobbler is whom the hens seek out,but often times other adult gobblers will be present that watch,strut,and gobble,but will never attempt to court a hen but focus mainly on each other. These particular gobblers the hens show no interest".I think all of us who have turkey hunted awhile have had those mornings where it seems like a gobbler was gobbling on every limb but come flydown the woods become silent even though we're throwin out some of the sexiest hen talk we can make.This could be one of the reasons why.I know I have ran into birds like this before and we can deduct to say maybe that they are "*****".Or maybe because of the circumstances surrounding their general population that this has alot to do with there behavior.But it sure sheds alot of light on some of those quite mornings when you know your in prime turkey country and all is quiet. <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>
01-16-2002, 12:41 PM
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RE: Here's a brain teaser!
Bob,those two gobblers that were infatuated with each other,that was in California right?<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>
