single bevel - do you believe ? are you buying ?
12-03-2008, 06:00 PM
#11
Giant Nontypical
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RE: single bevel - do you believe ? are you buying ?
ORIGINAL: BobCo19-65
I think people really need to use what works for them and what they are confident in. I was using stinger for a while and was having some penetration problems. Yes, dead is dead, but I still prefer passthroughs. Also had some problems with blood trails with two blade double bevels. Again, dead is dead, but...
Grizzly's seem to have the best of both worlds for me. Yes, shot placement is always key. But I still like pass throughs and blood on the ground.
I think people really need to use what works for them and what they are confident in. I was using stinger for a while and was having some penetration problems. Yes, dead is dead, but I still prefer passthroughs. Also had some problems with blood trails with two blade double bevels. Again, dead is dead, but...
Grizzly's seem to have the best of both worlds for me. Yes, shot placement is always key. But I still like pass throughs and blood on the ground.
12-03-2008, 08:55 PM
#12
Typical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2006
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RE: single bevel - do you believe ? are you buying ?
ORIGINAL: stealthycat II
Schultzy and Chris W. ya'll aint never had a hit go bad ? never did you wish you had anothe extra 25% energy/momentum behind your broadheads or maybe another 12" penetration?
ever ?
wouldn't it be cool if NAP Thunderheads came out with a 150 grain, 2 blade, replaceable that was single bevel and had live .050 blades?
Schultzy and Chris W. ya'll aint never had a hit go bad ? never did you wish you had anothe extra 25% energy/momentum behind your broadheads or maybe another 12" penetration?
ever ?
wouldn't it be cool if NAP Thunderheads came out with a 150 grain, 2 blade, replaceable that was single bevel and had live .050 blades?
12-03-2008, 10:03 PM
#13
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RE: single bevel - do you believe ? are you buying ?
It hurts my shoulder to type 73# !!
Have ya'll read the Ashby reports? Its pretty certain and sure that single bevel's out penetrate, and heavily weights FOC shafts are a huge difference too.
We're talking anywhere from 20% to 150% additional penetrations = that's huge.
I mean people will buy a certain bow, like an ACS, that will get tham an additional 8% increase in speed/power, but they won't go to a single bevel broadhead that could give them double that?
Now, since my KS hunt, I've become an absolute believer in heavy FOC arrows - from my 53# Zipper recurve I'm shooting a 680 gr total weight arrow/head. My arrow was laying on the ground after I shot my buck - and I've never had that happen from a low 50's pound bow. I was using 3 blade thunderheads, and I made a very good shot but what if I'd hit the backbone? Would I have broken it? What diference would it have made if I'd been shooting a 2 blade Ashby head vs my 3 blade Thunderheads?
I've lost several deer and most to penetration issues. I think I fixed a large part of my problem by going heavy shafts and front loaded arrows. I can do better by going to single bevel heads too though and am leaning towards the Steel Force. They are vented but $15 a head instead of $25 a head. I want screw in, I cannot stand the adapters.
Have ya'll read the Ashby reports? Its pretty certain and sure that single bevel's out penetrate, and heavily weights FOC shafts are a huge difference too.
We're talking anywhere from 20% to 150% additional penetrations = that's huge.
I mean people will buy a certain bow, like an ACS, that will get tham an additional 8% increase in speed/power, but they won't go to a single bevel broadhead that could give them double that?
Now, since my KS hunt, I've become an absolute believer in heavy FOC arrows - from my 53# Zipper recurve I'm shooting a 680 gr total weight arrow/head. My arrow was laying on the ground after I shot my buck - and I've never had that happen from a low 50's pound bow. I was using 3 blade thunderheads, and I made a very good shot but what if I'd hit the backbone? Would I have broken it? What diference would it have made if I'd been shooting a 2 blade Ashby head vs my 3 blade Thunderheads?
I've lost several deer and most to penetration issues. I think I fixed a large part of my problem by going heavy shafts and front loaded arrows. I can do better by going to single bevel heads too though and am leaning towards the Steel Force. They are vented but $15 a head instead of $25 a head. I want screw in, I cannot stand the adapters.
12-04-2008, 05:34 AM
#16
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RE: single bevel - do you believe ? are you buying ?
Yes, broadhead testing was part of Ashby's testing, and he did find the single bevels are penetrating better then other types. But there were other factors that he found to come into play even before the broadhead type (I believe he called the broadhead testingmechanical advantage). These factors I believe included complete arrow integrity and arrow flight.
12-04-2008, 07:57 AM
#17
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RE: single bevel - do you believe ? are you buying ?
Russ gave me two Aussie single bevel broadheads. I have not had a chance to use them, but will see how they work ASAP and let you know.
12-04-2008, 08:53 AM
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RE: single bevel - do you believe ? are you buying ?
12-04-2008, 11:18 AM
#19
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RE: single bevel - do you believe ? are you buying ?
Have ya'll read the Ashby reports? Its pretty certain and sure that single bevel's out penetrate, and heavily weights FOC shafts are a huge difference too.
We're talking anywhere from 20% to 150% additional penetrations = that's huge.
I mean people will buy a certain bow, like an ACS, that will get tham an additional 8% increase in speed/power, but they won't go to a single bevel broadhead that could give them double that?
Now, since my KS hunt, I've become an absolute believer in heavy FOC arrows - from my 53# Zipper recurve I'm shooting a 680 gr total weight arrow/head. My arrow was laying on the ground after I shot my buck - and I've never had that happen from a low 50's pound bow. I was using 3 blade thunderheads, and I made a very good shot but what if I'd hit the backbone? Would I have broken it? What diference would it have made if I'd been shooting a 2 blade Ashby head vs my 3 blade Thunderheads?
I've lost several deer and most to penetration issues. I think I fixed a large part of my problem by going heavy shafts and front loaded arrows. I can do better by going to single bevel heads too though and am leaning towards the Steel Force. They are vented but $15 a head instead of $25 a head. I want screw in, I cannot stand the adapters.
We're talking anywhere from 20% to 150% additional penetrations = that's huge.
I mean people will buy a certain bow, like an ACS, that will get tham an additional 8% increase in speed/power, but they won't go to a single bevel broadhead that could give them double that?
Now, since my KS hunt, I've become an absolute believer in heavy FOC arrows - from my 53# Zipper recurve I'm shooting a 680 gr total weight arrow/head. My arrow was laying on the ground after I shot my buck - and I've never had that happen from a low 50's pound bow. I was using 3 blade thunderheads, and I made a very good shot but what if I'd hit the backbone? Would I have broken it? What diference would it have made if I'd been shooting a 2 blade Ashby head vs my 3 blade Thunderheads?
I've lost several deer and most to penetration issues. I think I fixed a large part of my problem by going heavy shafts and front loaded arrows. I can do better by going to single bevel heads too though and am leaning towards the Steel Force. They are vented but $15 a head instead of $25 a head. I want screw in, I cannot stand the adapters.
12-04-2008, 10:12 PM
#20
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
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RE: single bevel - do you believe ? are you buying ?
My grandfather used to routinely shoot through midwestern whitetails with a recurve pulling 42# at his 26" draw pushing swagged 2016's and 3-blade glue-on heads. In one side, out the other, in the dirt. Nothing to it, yet some people think you need two or three times that to kill a deer? I don't get it.
Two years ago I shot smack through a bull moose with less Ke, momentum, whatever, than some people can't put through a whitetail -- 499-grain arrowwith a 20-grain insert and a 125-grain regular old 2-blade head. The arrow barely slowed down, even when it split the offside rib vertically. My elk, a 200# wild boar and the three dozen or so whitetails I've shot with that arrow setup (figuring in 2-, 3-, and 4-blade heads) haven't posed any penetration issues either.
There's absolutely nothing wrong with shooting heavy, EFOC arrows with single-bevel heads. If it gives a hunter confidence, then that's great. But if someone needsthem in orderto shoot through a whitetail deer, then there's something else seriously wrong that should probably be resolved first.
Two years ago I shot smack through a bull moose with less Ke, momentum, whatever, than some people can't put through a whitetail -- 499-grain arrowwith a 20-grain insert and a 125-grain regular old 2-blade head. The arrow barely slowed down, even when it split the offside rib vertically. My elk, a 200# wild boar and the three dozen or so whitetails I've shot with that arrow setup (figuring in 2-, 3-, and 4-blade heads) haven't posed any penetration issues either.
There's absolutely nothing wrong with shooting heavy, EFOC arrows with single-bevel heads. If it gives a hunter confidence, then that's great. But if someone needsthem in orderto shoot through a whitetail deer, then there's something else seriously wrong that should probably be resolved first.