RE: Elitist attitude
 

Does it really matter what people use hunt with a bow and arrow? Isn't the whole idea behind this type of hunting to get out into the woods and enjoy it?

Are you going to make it so that if a young person wants to get out and try archery, if they are not using a traditional type of bow they are not following the spirit of the sport? Isn't it more important to get folks out there in the woods regardless of their choice of weapon?

After mastering the compound (xbows in my area are for limited ability hunters) and feeling the need to challenge themselves then move up to the longbow, as opposed to basically telling people that they are not up to snuff by taking the 'easy' way out?

There are enough other negative influences out there without sowing seeds of dissension within the ranks of the folks that are already in your camp.

You find more enjoyment hunting with a longbow, more power to you, but don't presume to lessen the way other people draw enjoyment from the sport.

RE: Elitist attitude
 

Not every situation you draw/anchor/release and not every Trad shooter shoots like that. Many times I've had bear, deer, elk look at me while I'm about half drawed. Try holding a 73lb recurve at half draw for 15 seconds, your arms will be rubber! Compounds have a huge advantage on this part of it, thats common sense.

RE: Elitist attitude
 

Don't get me wrong, I think crossbows are really a neat hunting tool. I have nothing against them at all I just don't relate them to archery. No different than seeing someone hunting in archery season with an open sighted .44 mag. I don't see it as driving a wedge into anything hunting related.
Guns have their own special seasons and I feel a crossbow fits better into those seasons than a general archery season.

By your argument of wanting to use the most efficienct tool possible for hunting then you could simply take that all the way to say that a scoped centerfire rifle is the most efficient method so lets do away with every other weapon because we owe it to the animal.
That's no different than you thinking of why we should use a crossbow if it is that much more efficient as a killing tool.

I don't know how else to explain it other than I don't see a crossbow as ARCHERY hunting. It has it's place in whatever season they are currently legal in and I would NEVER begrudge someone who wants to use one where legal. I welcome it as a hunting tool but don't ever expect me to welcome it with open arms in an established archery season. It's just the way I feel regardless if we make one or not.
I would never also so much as bat an eyelash at someone who was using one or desired to use one in an archery season with a disability that prevented the use of a conventional bow and arrow because regardless of how I feel about them personally I am also not shortsighted to the point of not seeing them as the next best thing to archery hunting.

They just fall into that limbo area for me of not being archery and not being quite a gun.......because of how they are aimed and fired they slide to that side of the scale for me.
Nothing more or less.

RE: Elitist attitude
 

That makes allot of sense! During the ML season.

RE: Elitist attitude
 

Thanks for not littering anymore....

when you come back....Just remember who's the Champ and whos the Chump.....im the best and thats all you need to remember.

now leave and dont come back unless you have a Traditional bow,
and when you get one comeback andpost pics of it, and brag about how your better than everyone else.....even the old(handicap) farts that get to use their Cossbow.

RE: Elitist attitude
 

LOL!
Matt, I understand what you are saying. I just believe it is wrong thinking. I've hunted enough with crossbows to believe differently.
Number One Fretter, you are funny! But are you as good as I think you think that Matt thinks you think you are?

RE: Elitist attitude
 

OK...So...since I shoot a long bow with home made wood arrows during bow season, and my homemade 700year old design CROSSBOW during crossbow season, is my crossbow considered traditional (as in the way our forefathers did it??) and if that is the case, then my crossbow (which took a cow elk last season by the way) with no sites, wood bolts, feathers, and nothing but muscle cocking it (at 185lbs it is a bit of work mind you) is the "traditional" equivilent to a modern crossbow. Just as a long bow is the "traditional" equivilent to a compound. Yes, the learning curve on a modern crossbow is shorter than a compound, but with the exception of the Stryker, they are all no more efficient (most are less) than a modern compound, and DO require practice as they are easier to screw up a shot with than any rifle. Ultimately we are all "archers" and the elitest attitude that was the start of this thread can be found on all sides. Kinda sad actually. I know of quite a few trad and compound archers that one day found that they could not shoot their choice of weapon anymore and had to go to a crossbow or sit home and watch Tred Barta make an ass of himself. Many of these same people were no longer welcome by their "friends" at their clubs because then "turned to the dark side". One of these days this argument will end and we will all be the better for it...

Wyvern

RE: Elitist attitude
 

Why not???????

youCould have drawn to your anchor, and if he doesnt move in that half a second.... you could have aimed and been ready to shoot in another....

at least with that style....d/a/r....instinctive or gap shoot doesnt matter....gap becomes more like instictive the more proficient you get...enabling you to hit your mark really fast.


i used to like to anchor and hold for 3 to five seconds. im doing better now that irelease faster.....i know that the aim is correct from all the practice.

all the extra time at anchor, was making me second guess my training/instict.

RE: Elitist attitude
 

I've been around Traditional shooters since I was able to walk and I'd say 70% of them held at there anchor for a good 3 seconds. I would much rather shoot like that myself but that 73lbs is a bit much to be holding that long. Everyone has there different styles of shooting, were not all the same by no means!

RE: Elitist attitude
 

SCH i edited my post above....your right everyones different for sure.


i used to like to anchor and hold for 3 to five seconds. im doing better now that irelease faster.....i know that the aim is correct from all the practice.

all the extra time at anchor, was making me second guess my training/instict



but its fun to see/hear how others do things.

i probably hold at anchor for 1-2 seconds while i double check everything....whats it matter 3-8 seconds for a accurate trad shot is a lot faster than i can do comfortable with my compound....those seconds are precious.