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They HAVE done a lot ...... they just hate crossbows and want to keep their season "theirs"


Dang ! C'mon man, play along here ! Lets hate compounds together ! :D

I don't hate them, they're the most proficient bow in the woods BY FAR. They've brought in many many hunters to archery season. They're been the stepping stone of many into hunting, and towards trad archery too.

Hey wait a minute ....... THATS a crossbow isn't it ?


EXCELLENT ! You lost nothing then, you can still hunt in that primitive season !

Actually I do see that as a potential problem/trend, but along the same lines as this thread, a modern muzzleloader, the inline, pelletizedc, sabot/bullet scoped things ......... they aren't primitive muzzleloader no more than a compound is a bow.


Good gawd, #1 you don't know he ever did that and #2 I'd bet there are MORE Accidents with people using compounds than crossbows. I think its been published that that is the case too. Probably the most compelling thing thouhg ...... he could get a handi-cap permit in MS and use a crossbow in your state this fall, gauranteed.

You going to quit hunting now ? Crossbows are ALREADY in your MS woods, you don't know the yahoo's behind them anymore than the guys behind the compounds - why do you hunt still ?


no, no, NO ! Crossbows are legal in almost every state and recognized as legal arhceyr tackle. Most states you have to have a permit to use them, BUT THEY ARE STILL LEGAL ARCHERY TACKLE ! Handcap people can only use BOWS in archery season, not gun, not muzzleloader, ONLY BOWS, and the rules and regs spell out exactly what bows are in every state.

There ARE a couple of states that don't allow crossbows in archery season. I can't remember which ones though


Well first tell me where compounds have gone ? Have they brought in SO many archery hunters that we've lost season ? No, thats not it. We've lost much of the archery seasons becuase of compounds ? Bag limits ? No ..... not that I'm aware of. So what HAS the compounds done ?

The tech race is ALREADY on LBR because of the states that allow crossbows. You don't think it has ? Look at the next Cabelas and Bass Pro. 1/3 crossbows now - why ?




Would you rahter NOT have the option of hunting in those other seasons ? Some states don't allow it


Your state of MS says it is :D




I completely understand that view and lean towards it heavily at times myself.

Crossbow and compound bowhunting isn't bowhunting, NOT like trad hunting is bowhunting. Its as differnt as night and day.

Wyvern Crossbow you waited to post that picture didn't you ? :D



NEW61375 Is that a Martin recurve ? I can't tell. What setup do you shoot ?

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I guess that would depend on your point of view. Say the scooter riders have the interstate to themselves from midnight to 3 am. Then the law changes, and there are no longer any restrictions--anyone can travel the interstate at any time. I can still ridea scooter there, but do you honestly think I didn't loose something?

Most of my hunting is done on private property, where usually I'm the only one around. If not, I know who else is there--legally anyway.

In most states they are allowed only with a special permit. They are not considered regular archery tackle--if they were, no special permit would be required.

Think some folks already said that......pretty sure I was one of them. Yeah, look at the big warehouse suppliers--even with the very limited market, they are investing heavily. Wonder what would happen if the market burst wide open?

Say every jughead that watches hunting shows and/or picks up a magazine sees the ads for thesenew wonder "bows" and decides that's the ticket to tagging a monster buck. No work required--these things don't just shoot themselves, they bring the deer right to you. Even if they don't get close, you can shoot 100 yds easily. 'Course you need all the latest and greatest gadgets to properly accessorize--yeah-buddy, hunting will be revolutionized, and be much better in the end when all this happens.[:@]


Chad

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This isn't a picture of someone in the USA is it Wyvern? I'm guessing Europe or some country out east.

Where does my post say a different country other then the USA? I don't care what the traditions or values on bow hunting are in another country, what matters to me is what the bow hunting heritage has been here in the USA. By the way them are some huge BH's on them bolts in that picture, they sure would leave a hole.;)

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"Wyvern Crossbow you waited to post that picture didn't you ?" :)

Yes....I did :D

Wyvern

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"I don't care what the traditions or values on bow hunting are in another country, what matters to me is what the bow hunting heritage has been here in the USA"

Where do you think it came from??? You think bowhunting is purely an "american invention"?? Dont you think that is a bit of a restriction on the scope of what bowhunting has been for thousands of years? Artistic license on the BH's....;)

Wyvern

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My fault Shultzy, I wasn't trying to imply you were some old relic or anything.:D

I just meant I had no background or upbringing in archery or bow hunting especially traditional. My dad, uncles, and granddad shotgun hunted. I started doing that with them and it wasn't very often(opening weekend, Thanksgiving, Christmas break). After a few seasons with minimal success or even sightings for that matter I started reading lots of hunting books and mags and became really interested in archery and the early season. I bought my first bow around 1990(Black Bear) at a pawn shop for $60 bucks and it was all over. I bowhunted for about 2 or 3 seasons with no luck but I was having the time of my life, seeing deer, spooking them, learning. My enthusiasm was contagious and my dad and brother both got bows and I even bought a Martin Prowler(50% let off:D) and managed to take my first archery doe with it the following season. I am very thankful for archery as it revived my dads interest in hunting and it's a great part ofour family/life to this day. Not to mentionthe experiences I had/have during bow season and being around more deer havemade me a much better hunter overall. I amexcited about my tradional hunts(although Ionly got out a couple of timeslast season) and I think next year will be my season to break the ice with myMartin Hunterpictured above. I guess whatI meant(before the brief bio) was I was kind of self taught in archery and didn't really have that mentor type influence as far asthebow hunting traditiongoes so it's possible I could be missing out (in a way) on some things.

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By no means bow hunting is an American invention, don't get me wrong. I was just reffering to the crossbows as they were allot bigger outside the USA. They've never been the thing here. Thats why in my previous post I said USA and not some other country's heritage. Get what I'm saying??:D

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No big deal, had to give you a hard time.;) Thats awesome New! A guy like myself sometimes just doesn't realize how good he had it when allot of other guys like yourself had to learn everything on your own without the help I had when starting up. Congratulations on where you are today with your bow hunting, proud of ya and happy for ya!!!;)

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"By no means bow hunting is an American invention, don't get me wrong. I was just reffering to the crossbows as they were allot bigger outside the USA. They've never been the thing here. Thats why in my previous post I said USA and not some other country's heritage. Get what I'm saying??:D "

Yep..I do now..
Actually, they went out of favor in Europe for quite a while except for the aristocracy ( some extreamly elaborate models in museums) but were used even in war up till Vietnam.. They have been around bowhunting for all that time till the present. Just not in enough numbers to make it worth the while being considered a "threat". Also it is only in the last few years that they have really been anyting more than a novelty to some extent. Crossbows from even the 1970's were woefully inadequate to be serious hunting weapons. The point has been made that when bow hunting seasons were established crossbows were "not around". They were, but like many things, it took time to re-establish itself. I still have not seen anything here that would sway me from not allowing them during bow season.

One point I would like to make. All of the outright lies that the PBS and other groups have spread is the only reason that there is any question of their legality as just another bow. If the idiotic claims of "100 yard kills" and "the choice of poachers" and "its not a bow" were not forced down ignorant legislators throats then this conversation would not even be happening. It is like any other political agenda: based on greed and selfishness and hidden behind the mask of "helping preserve bowhunting". Every fact gets ignored...every poll gets twisted...and it all comes back down to "its not a bow and I dont want it in MY season" and nothign that has been said here has done anything to disprove that....Its a shame really...how much more could bow hunting be today if all those political groups had put their money and time spent on anti crossbow legisaltion into bowhunting education and preservation?

wyvern

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Well we can agree to disagree then Wyvern, nothing said by anyone will change my opinion either. Some had some good points on both sides but as usual no one wins in the end of this touchy affair.