Now i am really confused as I would think that there should only be one traditional bow and everything else would be some sort of "bow plus."

Apparently you might be new to traditional bows, thats cool. They have been around for years and there's not just one. A Traditional bow is a Recurve, Longbow, Selfbow, these are pretty much your basic trad bows. Some on here may say a self bow is primative, thats fine with me. Whatever is your fancy.

I know very little about bows. I come on these threads from time to time to learn a little, but then get sidetracked by threads where people seem too busy bashing other styles to discuss their own styles. But then i can always take a break from this thread and go to a gun thread where some folks are bashing the people who use buckshot, .223's for deer, etc., etc., etc.[] At least it keeps things lively around here.

I hear ya there! A little argument here and there isn't so bad but after a while it does get old. I've got the flu bug so I'm taking a break, I feel like ass!!!

My mom always suggested a glass of 7-Up to sooth the stomach during the flu. I've improved on that strategy by adding two shots of Segrams 7 to it.

Thanks bud!!

that reminds me that it is almost Miller Time, so i yield the floor.

you'd think that would be at the top of everyones list wouldn't you ?



You used that analogy more than once - the "so what" is that gunpowder is the root os what defines modern gun vs muzzleloader, its what makes those weapons tick. So too is how a bow can be defined, by what is the driving force behind the arrows - its why nowhere is it legal for arrows with powder charges to be used in archery season, because it eclipses what archery is.

Remember, crossbows are allowed almost EVERYWHERE in regular archery season. Who gets to use them is what varies LBR, even your state os MS allows them and recognizes them as archery.

no, a .270 isn't muzzle loaded - its breach loaded, its a casing with enclosed powder and primer, all in one. There is a fine line now between single shot rifles and muzzleloader, I'll grant you that, but a flint lock is STILL worlds different than both, just like a recurve is worlds differnt than compounds and crossbows.

but no, a .270 is clearly NOT a muzzleloader plus. A Knight breach loaded with powder pellets, 101 primers, sabot's and bullets - thats a muzzleloader plus



gunpowder - that seperates guns from bows



I could say the same about the compound for all the same reasons LBR. And by your reasoning, its the compound manufacturers that demand allowing the compounds in archery season - its all about the money, right ?


Schultzyyou don't pull the compounds back in the prescence of game either, thats a fabrication for the P&Y anti-crossbows movement and for years has been false. Watch the next deer hunting video on tv - the bows are drawn before the animals get into presence - obviously, draw, hold, wait, put the sights on the animals and pull the trigger - perfect compound shot

Lanse couche couche its true when fiberglass was put into recurve and longbows, it changed them in a matter of FPS. Little else changed from them and self bows. Same bows, same arrows can be shot, same broadheads, same WAY of shooting.

i hunt with both types of bows so i can't speak agaisnt either, and i also think that they each serve a purpose on different styles of hunting

How so? Materials have improved, machinery has made production faster and easier, but the very designs have changed very little--there have been cave drawings of deflex/reflex longbows discovered.


Gobs of people, many who wouldn't bother to get into the woods, will fall for the hype and advertisements and go buy what they percieve to be a killing machine. Of course the majority will find out soon enough they were duped, but they have alreadyspent the money, and manufactures are busy working on the next round of advertisements for the next group of suckers.

Why is the sporting goods market so huge? How can they spend millions and millions on advertising, tv shows, etc. when a gun/bow/whatever that was made 20 years ago will kill just as effectively as one made today? Because people are, collectively, stupid when it comes to these things. Slap on a different paint job, call it "new and improved", and you just made last year's model obsolete and everyone is beating down the doors to get the "new" one. I learned that several years ago when working in a friend's archery shop. It's as bad as computers.

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You used that analogy more than once - the "so what" is that gunpowder is the root os what defines modern gun vs muzzleloader

You totally missed the point, and I'm not convinced it was accidently. The "so what" is this: one of the main pro-crossbow arguments that keeps coming up is "it's a primitive weapon/it has ancient roots", so that should make it acceptable for archery season. I say gunpowder is primitive/ancient in it's roots, but nobody seems to want to argue that any weapon that uses gunpowder should be allowed in the primitive weapons season--why not?

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Remember, crossbows are allowed almost EVERYWHERE in regular archery season. Who gets to use them is what varies LBR, even your state os MS allows them and recognizes them as archery.

I repeat myself yet again--if crossbows were accepted asregular/standard archery, then nobody would be required to meet certain criteria and get a special permit to use them during archery season.

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but no, a .270 is clearly NOT a muzzleloader plus.

It's every bit as much a muzzleloader-plus as a crossbow is a bow-plus. If you disagree, tell me which weapons I'm referring to here. One uses ignited gunpowder to propell a bullet down a barrel. Muzzleloader or .270? The other uses energy stored bent limbs with a string or cord pushing a long dart. Longbow, recurve, orcrossbow?

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I could say the same about the compound for all the same reasons LBR. And by your reasoning, its the compound manufacturers that demand allowing the compounds in archery season - its all about the money, right ?

Like I said, I'm leaving compounds out of my part of the discussion--for simplicities sake.