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I dont spend my time or energy with these type of people ,after all I hunt with all types of bows.

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Oh, well... As long as we're on the subject of getting ticked off... How about let's look at what's going on over on the compound side of the road.

How about the poor deluded souls who call traditional bowhunters unethical because of the poor accuracy they've seen at 3D tournaments? That one always manages to slip a burr under my saddle. We take shots at TARGETS for FUN, shots that are often outside our known proficiency distance, shots that we'd never take in the woods in a real hunting situation. Naturally we're going to miss shots on the target range - even shots that are easy for someone shooting 300 fps with sights and peeps and mechanical triggers and such - because it's a GAME. It's supposed to be challenging. If the course is challenging your skills, you will miss. But these dunderheads don't have enough functional brain cells to understand the distinction between playing a game and hunting.

Of course, that one is closely akin to the idiots who say we are unethical because our bows aren't as powerful and our arrows aren't as fast as theirs. Several of the fellas that spew such garbage hang out on the bowhunting forum on this site. I have yet to be able to get a single one of them to agree to stand at 100 yards and let me take ONE shot at him with a slow, heavy arrow out of my 'underpowered' longbow. ;)

So it's okay for some on that side to lie and call us unethical and yet we're supposed to be all sorry and apologetic over the wheeliebow lads getting a tad huffed because a few folks on our side don't consider their harvests to be quite equal in accomplishment level? HA![>:]

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Then if they do miss its the equipments fault not there's....I too have had my misses with Trad and Compound but never blame it on my bow.Ive seen many people break out there range finders at shoots like this,then you wonder why they have such high scores.Ive heard guys say things like,its 37yrds,its 44yrds and so on.Now if they said things like,I put my 30 on it and hit low or had my 40 on it and hit high then its a differant story.O-wait thats normaly what I say when shooting the round with compound,when doing it with trad I normaly just say things like....should of aimed higher or lower or it didnt look that far out...
I went to a Coca Cola shoot with both bows and went thru with the Recurve 1st and I felt very out of place(as if it was a tabu)then went thru with my compound and it was awhole differant feeling I got.Nxt year I will bring all three,trad,compound and crossbow then walk up and tell them I want to shot the crossbow round and see what they say.Iam sure that wil spread around the shooters like wildfire(a guy just wanted to shoot CB hahaha),then go back with trad then compound and see what they say.....

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You are oneof the few good old fashionguys left in this bow hunting world Art! You say whats on your mind without giving a hoot what anyone else says or thinksand at the same time what your saying usually makes alot of sense. I'm pretty old fashiontoo Art when it comes to bowhunting or just hunting period! Hats offto you Art for being the true ethical bow hunter you are and hopefully a few young folks will take what you have to say and put it to good use using whatever weapen they so happen todesire.

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Know what I say about that? If you can put the blame for your misses on the equipment, then the equipment deserves the credit when the arrow goes where it's supposed to. ;)

Schultzy, here's to us old fashioned guys!

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Actually, from what I see they seem to love to advertise their equipment and give credit to it. FWIW, that drives me nutts also. [:@]

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My hats off to you too Arthur.....I've only been a bow hunter for the last 17 years myself. i started out with an old Martin Lynx compound bow in 1990. i took off into the high tech transformation of these compound bows for any years with all my heart and soul. i built my own archery shop, and had a ball tweaking bows and trying to make them faster and more efficient for 3D shooting compittition....It was challanging and just a lot of fun, i got into presision arrow building too as a result. This was just as important, if not more so, than having a fast bow. the faster those light arrows travel, the more accurate they needed to be built to be identical to each other for consistant groups at longer distances.....Now you'll notice i haven't mentioned hunting yet......Bow "Hunting" and 3D compitition is two totally different things...one is a game, or a challange, or just a bunch of fun. Yes, it can be used as some of the best hunting practice you can get too. But there is a vast difference in shooting rubber deer & elk that don't move.....Whayt i used to do was have a 3D bow high speed unit i played with in compitition, then my hunting bow that i used for that purpose.....

What brought me over to traditional style archery was that the technicalogical advances of the average compound bow were promoting too much long distance shooting in the field at animalsin my opinion......Now before i piss anyone off here....let me explain my take on this....Here is Duanes Quote :

compound shooters think of trad shooters as unethical because they aren't nearly as accurate, and wound more animals

trad shooters think compounders have removed so much of the archery from their hunting that its not even bowhunting anymore with the triggers, sights, 70 yard shots and mechanical broadheads

theres your blanket - and many, MANY hunters sleep under them both


If you shoot trad ? Get off your high horse, know that shooting a compound and killing deer IS much easier than your choice in bows, but it still isn't easy. As long as the technology wave doesn't shorten your season, your bag limits, or otherwise affects your bowhunting in any way, shape or form ? Don't worry about it, worry about YOUR hunting.

If you shoot a compound ? Get off your high horse, know that you're choosing a much easier weapon to shoot, and that while trad archers MIGHT wound more game ? Plenty enough are shot and lost with compounds. If YOUR seasons/bag limits etc isn't affected by those shooting real bows ? Don't worry about their hunting, worry about YOUR hunting.


I shot a compound for 13 years, then switched to trad for 3-4 years, and am shooting a compound again this year. I've wounded deer and killed deer with both. I can tell you 100% trad is much harder, and I can tell you 100% compounds are not easy.

Don't be frustrated, unless YOUR season is being impacted by someone elses choices in weapons.
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[/align]I aggree with this quote in many ways...BUT......the part about "If YOUR seasons/bag limits etc isn't affected by those shooting real bows ? Don't worry about their hunting, worry about YOUR hunting."
That is what is exactly what is coming guys....The proficiency of these new compound bows pushing 350 FPSare incredible....i had one of the fastest bows in the world last year at this time, and i could use it well too!
It was an incredible piece of engineering.....

My problem was that as i looked around our hunting camp, and all the other archery hunting camps that i visited.....i noticed whileswapping stories and looking at everyones gear the vastdifference beteen "true archery hunters", and those just using a bow as a means to try and kill an animal.... I wont go into ethics or anything else....i even found myself harvesting elk at 60 yards, and shooting broad heads at 80 yards until it hit me last year that i was missing the boat here......i got disgusted with myself and sold that bow that the company that built it claimed proudly, "Taking the Arch out of Archery!" I decided i was going to put a whole bunch back in mine, and get back to the hunting part of it a bit more....I could have done the same thing using a com[pound bow too i guess....But i like the challange of the traditional equipment, and all the fun stuff that goes along with it.......I believe the amount of archers with rife hunting thinking are rising significantly out there.....seasons and regulations WILL be changed accordingly with high tech gear....like it or not guys...you can take that one to the bank.....When they do....i'll still be bow hunting now....

Please excuse my spelling here guys....darn spell check isn't working, and my spelling sucks!.....Kirk

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These frustrations are nothing new. About 10 years ago, a group got together and decided it was time for traditional bowhunters to form their own organization and begin to create an identity for ourselves seperate and distinct from modern bowhunters. I think the first group was Compton's Traditional Bowhunters, then after a short while, the Association of Traditional Hunting Archers spun off of it. Might have been the other way around though. Brain fog. [&:]

I don't remember now which it was, but one or the other was more radical in their goals. One just wanted a seperate identity - which is what Compton's states as their goal on their website. The other wanted to go so far as getting seperate seasons for traditional bowhunting. ATHA is still hanging on, but the one that has done best is Compton's. That is the reason I believe ATHA was the more radical group. There is nothing about ATHA's goals or their history on their website.

I never joined either one, thinking it would be better to try to close the gap between traditional and modern rather than drive the wedge a little deeper. But the gap keeps widening every passing year anyway. Frankly, judging by the outrageous things I've been seeing on the bowhunting forum here over the past couple of years, I'm beginning to rethink my position and am really thinking hard about joining Compton's.

I'm already a member of Denton County Archers, a local traditional archery club here, and Traditional Bowhunters of Texas. Might as well go for the hat trick and do all three.

http://www.comptontraditional.com/