Sounds like a Hmong view to me ......

what do you mean by "Hmong"? i gooooggggled it and this is what i found.....by the way Daddy Warbucks m Rockafeller statement was a joke, continue the debate its good....sad thing is there are people that actually think like that left in the world.

By Lamont H. Thao
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20 July 2000
This short article is a response to the Author, Chan, in regard to the book Hmong means Free. This article is not to criticize but to clarify the misunderstanding of the meaning of the word "Hmong". Chan has stated that "The word Hmong means 'free'" (1994:3). Let me begin by saying that the word Hmong does not mean free. Hmong, like other minority groups around the world, is just a group of people whose lifestyle often clashes with the dominant groups. Currently, millions of Hmong still live in china and through out the world. Graham did research in China and noticed that the Chinese called the Hmong "Miao" which means sons of the soil; however, the author also asserted that the Miao called themselves Hmong. The term "Miao" has been indiscriminately applied to other non-Chinese groups (1954:1). I do not know who coined and translated the word "Hmong" to mean "free". However, I am sure most of the literatures found in libraries that contain the word "Hmong" either are recent or are from the group of Hmong who used to live in Laos. Very few works have been written by Hmong from other countries such as China, Thailand, etc.
In the book entitled Hmong Means Free, Chan did not cite any source that might support such translation. As a Hmong educator, I know that the Hmong people have not gotten anything for free nor have they ever been freed. The content of the book Hmong Means Free tends to perpetuate the consistency of the Hmong persistent plight to gain autonomy. The oppression and persecution of the Hmong dated as far as its history. In China according to the written literature and oral history, the Hmong people had fought for their freedom but continued to be oppressed by the dominant group. Laos is a good example of such oppression because it was a recent case history, and many elders are now living evidence of that history.

I remember reading some of Dr. Dao Yang's works during my graduate research in 1993 at Mankato State University. So far as I know, Dr. Yang, a respective member of the Hmong community in the twin city in Minnesota, has asserted that Hmong means "free man" or "those who must have their freedom and independence" (1979). I called Dr. Yang and had a long conversation with him in which he had no concrete evidence to support his translation¯that the word Hmong means "free man" or "free people." Other authors have used such translation as well (Bertrais, 1977; Knoll, 1982; Santoli, 1988). Many writers tend to overlook the simplicity of the meaning of the word "Hmong". Many works including Chan's show a historical sketch of the Hmong; however, no attempt has been made to clarify the translation of the word "Hmong". As I recall, Yang might be the first Hmong to label the word "Hmong" to have such meaning as "free man" or "free people". When I questioned him, Dr. Yang said that its because Hmong want to be free and to roam without having anyone controlling them and interfering with their lives. I would recommend that anybody who uses the word "Hmong" to mean "free" either have to change such translation or to do a more elaborate and thorough research. I am sure if given the chance people would want to be free and independent; however, wanting and meaning are two totally different things.
The name "Hmong", like the name of any other groups of people, has no abysmal meaning. It is just a name given to a group of people. Let me give you some example to illustrate my point. For instance, the word "America" derived from an Italian merchant and navigator named Amerigo Vespucci who discovered the West, which now is known as America or the "American". Likewise, the word "Indian" was given as a label for the Native-American because the early explorer got lost and thought that they had reached the East Indies. Another example, the word "Chinese" cannot be translated either. The Webster's Third New International Dictionary defines "Chinese" as "a native or inhabitant of China or one of his descendants."

It is true that the Hmong people have struggled to gain autonomy from the larger and more powerful groups. Often, which resulted in Hmong being labeled as: "Savage", "Barbarous", "Cat", etc. In certain situations, labeling may have no detrimental consequences. In others, labeling people is another clever way of criticizing and classifying them as less humans than others (see E. B. Tylor). Now that changing the title of Chan's book might be adamantine, hopefully future researchers and educators who wish to publish an article or a book about the "Hmong" would carefully consider its correct meaning and usage. Although many authors meant well, we as researchers and educators need to do more research before accepting something to be true.

MEN !!!
Listen up !!! Unless you have money to "BLOW"!!your hunting as you may have known it for many years is about "OVER' !!! The "wealthy" white collar boys are gonna own everything andtake our Blue collar "RIGHT" to reap from what we have sown since the times of SPARTICUS !! B.S. you say ??? When was the last time you read a Bowhunter Magazine and read a story from a Garbage man, a factory worker,steel worker,a school janitor, ect, and read about his Trip to IOWA,KANSAS,ALASKA,AFRICA To hunt game ?? My point is, unless you have Money You and your kids will have no where to hunt because everyone who has money will own the land that you as a Blue Collar citizen has busted his back for ,"WILL BE GONE"!! and owned by the task master, Rise up men !!! we pay state taxes andFederal Taxes at astandard that is PAYING forTHE WHITE COLLARpeople to OWN ,HUNT,AND POST The Land "WE PAID FOR "!!! With our sore backs and sweat AND YOUKnow hat I mean VERN !!
Tj

Well, man go back to school. Get an education. Chase your dream. The American way. I don't own any land. I don't do leases. I hunt state parks. But I sure don't sit here and whine and cry. In fact, most blue collar workers I know do have leases.

TJ, whats your deal man. You said all this crap before. What are you getting at?

By the way, you said you were a prison guard. Did you build the prison? Did you blacktop its grounds? Did you raise its fenses? Or are you a white collar guard? Do you have a sore back sweating all day guarding?

hehehehe. Well said bigcountry. I don't know what his point is, it seems to go round and round. But I would like to say Jr that my and our for fathers are the ones who really broke there backs for us to have what we have today. Yes we may sweat and do some kind of manual labor, if you can call it that. But we don't know what real back breaking work really is. I know you don't bust your tail being a prison guard, My sister is a sgt at Oklahomas max security prison in Mclaster, and I know they don't break a sweat to often. Unless you get worn out doing a cell check or drinking coffee. My point is made none of us kill ourselfs at our jobs in this day and age.Hard work will move you and yours up the ladder if you know what I mean that goes for all of us. Not all of working men make the kind of money the Bill Gates does. I would like to say I would not like your job at all but you would not like mine. every one has to do something to make a living. bigdaddy

Craig I live5 to 15 minutes away from 21,000 acres of state land broken up into 3 different areas. I have some of the most fantastic turkey hunting, duck hunting, goose hunting, squirill hunting and bowhunting for whitetail deer you could ask for. I feel fortunate to have this kind of hunting out my backdoor, I have forty acres of private ground to hunt but usually end up hunting the public ground because of the abundance of game. I admit it can be challenging to hunt public ground but the rewards can be worht it, instead of complaining about lack of hunting get out and scout and find the game, it is out there if you are willing to put some effort into it.

BIGCOUNTRY,
LOL, NO ! I didn,t sweat building it ! I just sweat the threat of being spit on,have fecies and urine that is infected with aids and hep-c, thrown at me, not to mention being shanked , or cut with a shaving razor that has been melted into the end of a toothbrush so yeah I sweat, Go get an education ??? lol Iam blue collar mister! I joined the United States Army in 1981 AFTER GRADUATING High School andbecause my Dad was a steel worker my mom was a nurse and they had 4 boys at home, where was I gonna get the money ?? And by the way I was in combat in 1983 as an A.B. Ranger from fort lewis WA., YEP SWEATING AGAIN ! I don,t remember to many Doctors and lawyers kids at the ranger battallion serving thier "BIG COUNTRY" LOL,, IAM 43 and got a masters at the school of hard nocks, and worked for everything I got just like all the other Blue collar working dirty jobs stiffs. I keep responding because guys like yer self think its a non worthy subject and reply with sarcasim, Iam permitted to reply back right ? The point was Ide like to hear more in the magazines about guys like myself and thier hunting excersions instead of guys that spend money just because they can, got it ? lol
Tj

Beehunter,
Hold on ! I hunt every chance i get and am very successfull I might add, Ive killed bear,deer,turkey And everything else under the sun in PENNA, i GET PLEANTY of time to hunt and do so. I wish some of you guys would read the original post before you reply to a thread, That way I wouldn,t have to look like Iam going ROUND and ROUND Huh guys ?
Tj

No, no, I see it differently. Your managment. You guard. Nothing wrong with it. But your management. You don't lay bricks, pour foundations, or put roofing on. Your a manager of people. Dangerous, I agree. So you can say a white collar dangerous management job.

Ok, at this point, your blue collar. I am with ya. But this is before you were managment, or as they say "the man".

So what are we supposed to do about it? Why not go out and hunt, and quit sittin down looking for something to read? I don't know what to tell ya man. Your going to have to find your own way in life. I think your upset cause you management now, and you used to be good ole blue collar like your dad. Now, your just management. Be proud your white collar management. Nothing wrong with that. You got a respectful white collar job. If you don't like it, its america, you have the right go out and get a proud garbage man job, or a mason, or carpenter. Nobody is holding you against your will to stay a white collar manager.

By the way, same place I and most people get the money. You work for it. Worked the coal mines and lumber yards, and put me thru school.