RE: Are Carbon arrows traditional?
 

IBO is also allowing crossbows. So much for that argument. <img src=icon_smile_shock.gif border=0 align=middle> Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I like carbons and I shoot carbons. Course I like cedar and shoot cedar some times. And then I like the tin cans and shoot them some times too. And of course I like Chad and JRW so what the hell do I know! <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> <img src=icon_smile_shy.gif border=0 align=middle> <img src=icon_smile_blush.gif border=0 align=middle> <img src=icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle> <img src=icon_smile_evil.gif border=0 align=middle> <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

Ted A. Young the kinder gentler COB

RE: Are Carbon arrows traditional?
 

Arthur, I apologize if a comment in my post &quot;got your goat&quot;. My intent of this thread was to ask why the &quot;cart was pushing the horses&quot;? I personally don't do competitive archery anymore and shoot Longbows with RRA cedars split fingered......too old to care who wins anymore ;-)

Observations locally have led me to see more Carbon arrows showing up in our Trad 3D shoots, more archers entering the sport and becoming frustrated being ex-IBO wheeled shooters having to shoot split fingered with wood because they are still of the &quot;Class&quot; mindset, and lesser archers (or as you call them high tech frustrated archers) coming to the Trad ranks in hope that lower levels of accuracy are accepted in the Trad ranks (to me this idea is the worst senario of all....and this isn't just an isolated case). The &quot;Cart&quot; (archery organizations that represent us) should be pulled by the &quot;Horses&quot; (those who shoot Trad equipment). If the trend today is to shoot Carbons or 3 fingers under in Hunting and 3D situations with longbows then the &quot;cart&quot; should support this if it is in the majority and a mainstream philosophy. It still is shooting a stickbow unaided.

Locally, these trends are becoming more and more prevelant.......I am curious if it is becoming that way in other regions?

RE: Are Carbon arrows traditional?
 

Around here, I've seen some all-traditional shoots that have split up into 4 different classes. They have recurve class, the standard longbow class, a primitive class for selfbows or sinew backed bows (also confined to wood arrows) and they have been throwing in a modern longbow class allowing all arrow materials.

Frankly, I don't see the point in having that 4th class. I've shot a longbow with aluminum arrows in recurve class many times and kicked butt. Besides, that's the problem with competitive archery these days. Too many flippin' classes. They could keep it up until they wind up with a class for every arrow type, bow type, aiming method, release technique...

&quot;Super Whammy Longbow - Limited to those who shoot carbon arrows out of centershot reflex/deflex longbows with recurve handles, off a flipper rest, 3-under, and are pre-draw gap shooters. Shooting 2-under, off the shelf and using a post draw gap is not allowed in this class. See Standard Whammy Longbow.&quot; <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

I'm like you. Been around a long time and have done my share of competition. Don't need any more.(But I will get serious about shooting if they give the winner first pick off the door prize table and there's a really nice knife on that table.) But I don't think they need to change the wood arrows rule for longbow class. Wood is what the people who shot longbow class demanded in the very beginning, when all the other arrow materials were available.

Now that stuff against 3-under and gap shooting... Never have been in favor of that. It's a bad attitude and it's hurting tradtional archery. A whole lot of folks would be shooting a whole lot better if they tried it. Quite frankly, I'm sick of the wheelbow shooters talking trash about trads that can't hit the broad side of a barn from inside the barn. Problem is, more often than not, they're right.

Too many myths floating around the trad ranks and people thinking you've got to shoot instinctive and split finger and not past 20 yards or you're not shooting trad. To be brutally blunt, that's a wagon load of horse dung.


Edited by - Arthur P on 11/24/2002 08:09:38

RE: Are Carbon arrows traditional?
 

I see we have much incommon in the way we view our sport.

Especially in the multitude of classes......what I was eluding to was less classes that reflect the the current trends and promote accuracy defined strickly by the bow type. Longbow as one class...recurve as the other. Both unaided. This would surely cut down the whining and allow the archer the latitude to shoot any arrow or any method of finger release he or she wants to maximize their enjoyment of the sport.

We also share the disgust on how the archery community views the traditional ranks. I also agree that in many cases they can base their opinions from what they see at shoots....this is why actions such as above would maximize an archers accuracy potential while using stickbows rather than giving the archer an excuse for lower accuracy. For some of the misguided they use the Traditional ranks to shield some weaknesses in their shooting and to give themselves a undeserved ego boost for their efforts. I'm sure everyone has seen this type of Trad shooter back at the clubhouse. I for one would like to take away their crutch and have them spend the time practicing their shooting to strive for accuracy and not cloud the reputation of Traditional Archery. Traditional shooting should never be an excuse.

RE: Are Carbon arrows traditional?
 

CUT DOWN THE WHINING!??!?! Lordy mercy, man, what are you trying to do? Ruin an aspect of target shooting that's become elevated to an art form? <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Fortunately the 3-D shoots around here are divide into 2 classes for stick shooters. Longbow and recurve. There are a multitude of classes for the wheel shooter. The only stipulation in the &quot;trad&quot; catagories is that you have to shoot unaided. None that I have been to give a rat's south end if you shoot cane or carbon, 3 under or 5 over. They are pretty much &quot;run what ya brung&quot; events. The exceptions are the BC trad championships and Trad Bowhunters of BC events. Here you have to shoot 'curves or lbs, and woodies with natural fletch, but everyone knows that going in so it's not an issue.

Also I have yet to go to a shoot that wasn't set up by some sadist dressed up as an archer, so no golf course style target placement. :)

RC

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Wow!
The different classes in 3-D shoots and all other &quot;Target&quot; games are only important if you feel you must &quot;Win&quot; a trophy. Personally, I threw all my trophies in the garbage a couple of years ago. All they do is collect dust. (Most weren't for archery) I shoot for three reasons. I shoot for fun, practice for hunting, and comradery. I'm not saying that I have fun when I don't shoot well but a trophy or prize in definately not what I'm looking for. I'm shooting against myself; striving for my personal best. Archery is archery! Shoot what ever you want. It's a preference! Dick

RE: Are Carbon arrows traditional?
 

Hi Jim De,

Must say you and I are thinking a lot alike concerning the present rules for Longbow shooters. I thought the idea of IBO 3D meets was to encourage the playing of an archery game that would make us better archers and hopefully better hunters. If the Longbow class we call traditional was really meant to be an &quot;English Longbow&quot; class then some of the regulations might make sense.

If the Longbow shooters want a nostalgic visit to the past, that's fine, but go all the way. Do the historical research on archery and accept practices and equipment no more modern than the 1930's. But, please let the new archers, like myself, know early on before they invest in bows, arrows, and hours upon hour of practice, that if they want to enter a 3D shoot all their practice time and money invested is wasted, because of someone's Romantic vision of a time gone bye.
Been in archery 1 year, retired, 68 years old and counting. Shooting a Roy Hall Navajo Scout Longbow (outlawed) with a seal skin rest (outlawed)and shooting Easton Legacy arrows,(outlawed)pulling 3-under(outlawed) I waited all these years just to become a criminal (grin)

RE: Are Carbon arrows traditional?
 

Hi Jim De,

Must say you and I are thinking a lot alike concerning the present rules for Longbow shooters. I thought the idea of IBO 3D meets was to encourage the playing of an archery game that would make us better archers and hopefully better hunters. If the Longbow class we call traditional was really meant to be an &quot;English Longbow&quot; class then some of the regulations might make sense.

If the Longbow shooters want a nostalgic visit to the past, that's fine, but go all the way. Do the historical research on archery and accept practices and equipment no more modern than the 1930's. But, please let the new archers, like myself, know early on before they invest in bows, arrows, and hours upon hour of practice, that if they want to enter a 3D shoot all their practice time and money invested is wasted, because of someone's Romantic vision of a time gone bye.
Been in archery 1 year, retired, 68 years old and counting. Shooting a Roy Hall Navajo Scout Longbow (outlawed) with a seal skin rest (outlawed)and shooting Easton Legacy arrows,(outlawed)pulling 3-under(outlawed) I waited all these years just to become a criminal (grin)