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#11
Breakfast??? What's that?
Just to clarify, I'm not busting on fastflight and such. It's good stuff, as long as the bow is built to handle it. I just like B-50 better on MOST bows. I've had a few bows that'd rattle your teeth and vibrate like a worn out lawnmower with dacron but turned into sweet shooters with fastflight.
I think my next favorite, as far as being comfortable on my piddies, was nitro excelerent, but I guess they quit making that stuff.
Just to clarify, I'm not busting on fastflight and such. It's good stuff, as long as the bow is built to handle it. I just like B-50 better on MOST bows. I've had a few bows that'd rattle your teeth and vibrate like a worn out lawnmower with dacron but turned into sweet shooters with fastflight.
I think my next favorite, as far as being comfortable on my piddies, was nitro excelerent, but I guess they quit making that stuff.
#12
Oh shoot Art--I know that--it's just one of those things that I like so much I wonder why everyone doesn't.
Now you have completely blown my mind--you actually liked Nitro? I don't recall ever hearing much good about that stuff (other than from a particular stringmaker that was pushing it). One fellow told me about the braid causing the string to cut itself--wasn't good. I never made a string from it--another stringmaker gave me a partial spool (he didn't like it either) and after I checked it out, I wouldn't use it. I could stretch the stuff by hand--that was one of the main complaints with it.
Don't know if it's made anymore or not--haven't heard of anyone using it for a long time now. I may still have that partial spool here somewhere--probably enough on it for a string or two. If I can find it, I'll send it to you if you want it.
Chad
Now you have completely blown my mind--you actually liked Nitro? I don't recall ever hearing much good about that stuff (other than from a particular stringmaker that was pushing it). One fellow told me about the braid causing the string to cut itself--wasn't good. I never made a string from it--another stringmaker gave me a partial spool (he didn't like it either) and after I checked it out, I wouldn't use it. I could stretch the stuff by hand--that was one of the main complaints with it.
Don't know if it's made anymore or not--haven't heard of anyone using it for a long time now. I may still have that partial spool here somewhere--probably enough on it for a string or two. If I can find it, I'll send it to you if you want it.
Chad
#13
Well if I was still on speaking terms with that 'particular string maker', so's I could get him to spin up a couple of strings from it, I'd let you send that stuff to me. [&:]
I watched him make a few nitro strings and that stuff was pretty particular about how you layed it up. You couldn't just whip it around the jig like you can with any of the non-braid string materials. It was imperative not to let the braid twist as you went around the pins on your jig or it would create pressure points along the string that definitely would cause it to abrade and cut itself. I don't have the patience to fiddle with it that much.
I know what you mean about it seeming stretchy in your hands, but it was a braid. I don't think the strands stretched. When you pulled on it, it closed the little gaps between the individual strands. Kinda like those Chinese finger cuffs we played with when we were kids. Remember those? Stick one finger in one end and and another finger in the other end and then try to pull 'em out. The mesh would pull taut and tighten down, clamping onto your fingers so you couldn't pull out of it.
Once a properly laid up nitro string was on the bow and under tension, I didn't notice any stretch at all while shooting. Certainly nothing like dacron. You know how rubbery dacron feels on some bows.[:-] But it did seem hard to get the correct string length, especially on longer strings.
I watched him make a few nitro strings and that stuff was pretty particular about how you layed it up. You couldn't just whip it around the jig like you can with any of the non-braid string materials. It was imperative not to let the braid twist as you went around the pins on your jig or it would create pressure points along the string that definitely would cause it to abrade and cut itself. I don't have the patience to fiddle with it that much.
I know what you mean about it seeming stretchy in your hands, but it was a braid. I don't think the strands stretched. When you pulled on it, it closed the little gaps between the individual strands. Kinda like those Chinese finger cuffs we played with when we were kids. Remember those? Stick one finger in one end and and another finger in the other end and then try to pull 'em out. The mesh would pull taut and tighten down, clamping onto your fingers so you couldn't pull out of it.
Once a properly laid up nitro string was on the bow and under tension, I didn't notice any stretch at all while shooting. Certainly nothing like dacron. You know how rubbery dacron feels on some bows.[:-] But it did seem hard to get the correct string length, especially on longer strings.
#14
Shoot, I'd offer, but I just don't trust the stuff. I don't know, but I think he made that string that cut itself--the fellow that told me about it was a "fan" of his.
The braid was definately the problem. The material itself was a Dyneena and Carerra (not sure I spelled that right)--basically a braided imitation of 450+ (except 450+ hasDyneema and Vectran). The initial stretch seemed to be a killer, but I also had some tell me that it just never settled in--could have been the way the strings were made.
I know exactly what you mean with the old Chineese finger traps--we'd get them at the fair when we were kids. I use that illustration when folks ask how a flemish string stays together with no knots or braids--lol.
Lee Robinson did some testing with the stuff, and along with the aggravation of trying to get the correct string length, he found the speed increase to be very little over dacron, and thedurablilty wasnot on par with other high performance materials, so he just quit messing with it.
I did some research on it, talked with Ray Brown at BCY about braided materials, and decided it wasn't worth my time figuring out. It seemed to be a "hot" product, but only for a very short time. I reckonit went the way of B-75 and PENN 66......man, I got calledeverything but honest and intelligent over my comments on those two materials.[:@] I'd really like the opportunity to tell some of those guys "I TOLD YOU SO!" over that.[8D] I guess they got the point when their strings broke without any warning. Funny thing though--not one of them ever apologized..........
Chad
The braid was definately the problem. The material itself was a Dyneena and Carerra (not sure I spelled that right)--basically a braided imitation of 450+ (except 450+ hasDyneema and Vectran). The initial stretch seemed to be a killer, but I also had some tell me that it just never settled in--could have been the way the strings were made.
I know exactly what you mean with the old Chineese finger traps--we'd get them at the fair when we were kids. I use that illustration when folks ask how a flemish string stays together with no knots or braids--lol.
Lee Robinson did some testing with the stuff, and along with the aggravation of trying to get the correct string length, he found the speed increase to be very little over dacron, and thedurablilty wasnot on par with other high performance materials, so he just quit messing with it.
I did some research on it, talked with Ray Brown at BCY about braided materials, and decided it wasn't worth my time figuring out. It seemed to be a "hot" product, but only for a very short time. I reckonit went the way of B-75 and PENN 66......man, I got calledeverything but honest and intelligent over my comments on those two materials.[:@] I'd really like the opportunity to tell some of those guys "I TOLD YOU SO!" over that.[8D] I guess they got the point when their strings broke without any warning. Funny thing though--not one of them ever apologized..........
Chad