Maybe I just had buzzy rig but I have seen more then one other guy here comment that they felt a buzz as well.......probably would go away with a good stabilizer but still something I view as a negative..........and also something my Patriot doesn't have.

Shooting my Patriot side by side with the new bows is EXACTLY what made me realize that there was nothing in the new bows worth upgrading over.

The new bows are great........but so is my Patriot.

I also highly recommend taking your current rig along for a side by side comparrison. You may be shocked to find out just how sweet your Extreme VFT really is

Thanks for the info guys! I did happen to them side by side. There were a few differences that I immediately noticed. 1. The draw was a tad bit easier at equal poundages. 2. The draw force curve felt like it loaded more up front. 3. The allegiance did not slap my arm. Both bows drew with the same smoothness.
I think I have a big decision ahead of me! Thanks again!

The Extreme does have a shorter brace height I believe........could be your arm slapping problem.......also your draw length could be long for you.

Shooting them side by side will give you all the info you could possibly ask for. If you dig the new rig then I say go for it......either way you are sitting pretty.

Good Luck.......not an easy choice.

The Allegiance is a much nicer shooting bow than the EXT VFT, although that bow is sweet. It is justthe fact on how smooth the draw cycle is on the allegience and how efficient the cams are and the fact that it literally does NOTHING on the shot. It wil be much more of a pleasure shooting the alleg. VFT. JM2C[8D]

It didn't beat my Patriot.......and I have shot the EXT VFT......pretty much the same bow with a shorter brace height. Both bows are sweet I agree.


I really didn't care for the draw on the Allegiance.......and I had heard so many guys say that 70 lbs felt like 60 I was REALLY disappointed when I tugged it back. I'll take my Patriot any day on a cold morning when I am bundled up with clothes and stiff from sitting for hours. If by efficiency you mean handling a heavier arrow without losing a ton of speed I couldn't care less........it's a cool thing but really of no interest to me since I shoot pretty heavy arrows out of my rig already that bury 6 inches in the ground after going through the deer at 275 fps........and that is with a 27" draw.

The Allegiance I shot buzzed in my hand on every shot........I wouldn't call that NOTHING.



To each his own I guess.

It's a great bow no doubt.........I just think that already owning a Patriot has me spoiled.

Just curious ... How was the Allegiance you are referring to equipped? What kind of rest was on the Allegiance that "buzzed" in your "hand on every shot"? The only buzz I have experienced on an Allegiance was one equipped with a drop away rest. The rest made the buzz. The others I have shot with regular prong rests were as dead in the hand as I have ever experienced ... and I have a Patriot. If the bow was doing the buzzing, something was loose or otherwise wrong with it.

All new bows are nice. I'd recommend picking one that fits you and your hunting situation best. I always go with one that has a brace height I require and an ATA that allows the proper anchor points that I use. People who go to real short ATAs that change their anchor, will generally shoot worse. However, if you're only taking short range shots out of a treestand, then you may find the shortness to overcome the negative of not hitting your anchors just right.

I watch a lot of guys checking out bows at the local shop. They seem to always choose one because it was "fast", "quiet", "smooth", "great looking", or some other subjective opinion that will have nothing to do with how well they shoot it. It's the rare person who comes in and says, "What do you have with an 8" brace height and a 37-38" ATA". That is what fits me best.", or some other similar statement.

The Allegiance I shot had a plain old TM Hunter style prong rest on it........and that was it. We checked the bow over and everything was locked down nice and tight. I have seen this mentioned by a number of people on these forums.......usually followed by a comment that a good stabliizer should take care of it.

Have you thought of just trying an STS system on your present bow? A $40.00 investment might change the way you feel about that one quite a bit. Won't get you any more speed ( other than removing leeches) but likely make it quieter and less vibration also.

I'm sure individual bows and setups can vary quite a bit. A guy at our club had a brand new Allegiance, and it seemed to vibrate just a little when he let me shoot it. I also shot PABowhntr's Old Glory and it had no vibration at all, not even a little bit. My own bows vibrate a little without a stabilizer, but with my Stealth/Sims combo, the vibes are dead in the water. Lots of very nice looking bows out there this year, but the Allegiance is certainly at or near the top. I do think the Binary cam system will turn out to be a more tunable, more "tuning stable" system compared to most singles and conventional duals. How important that is can only be answered by the individual buyer.