Help with speed
02-23-2005, 05:35 PM
#32
Boone & Crockett
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RE: Help with speed
Actually, I shoot the same shaft that you do except for the camo part. Mine are the black terminator selects 60-75.[8D] Assuming your shafts are cut to 26-27 inches and with a 100 grain head I would look at the black terminator selects 45-60. This set up will give you about a 400 grain finished arrow weight.
I have also shot the Carbon Express CX arrows and I have really like them a lot. You would use the 200 series. This would give you a much lighter arrow weight of about 330 grains. The CX is a bit more expensive than the terminator shafts.
I have also shot the Carbon Express CX arrows and I have really like them a lot. You would use the 200 series. This would give you a much lighter arrow weight of about 330 grains. The CX is a bit more expensive than the terminator shafts.
02-23-2005, 05:42 PM
#33
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RE: Help with speed
I think the 4560's are underspind for a 65 lb draw? Whats that sound? O its the arrows smaking the target. Boy am I happy now. You were right on the money bigbulls that other bow woulda always drove me nuts.
02-23-2005, 05:54 PM
#34
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RE: Help with speed
I think the 4560's are underspind for a 65 lb draw?
Even just changing from the camo to black shafts you will loose about 50 grains.
02-23-2005, 08:41 PM
#35
Nontypical Buck
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RE: Help with speed
OK, I did some homework. My wife says I'm never home.
Arrows..........I did some comparison on Bowjackson and here's what I got. All arrows to have 100 grain tips and 3 4" feathers. Standard uni-nock, And all arrows figured at 25.5"
Arrow shaft Weight %FOC
Beman ICS 500 Black 330gr 14.2
Beman ICS 400 Black 354gr 13.2
CX 200 Hunter 341gr 13.1
Gold Tip 5575 Black 342gr 13.0
Vapor 3000 VC 348gr 12.1
Easton Epic 500 354gr 13.2
This is just some ideas of what I think would work. As you can see they all fall into the 5.5gr/lb range which keeps your warranty intact. And the FOC for a hunting shaft is excellent also. In my opinion I would favor the Gold Tip. They are good arrow and although I've never shot them I got a real itch to shoot some of the X Cutters. I shoot the Bemans in both sizes and they are OK. My last choice would be the Carbon Express CX. They are the highest quality of them all but at a higher price and made in Korea (I think CX is raping the American consumer with the price).
bigbulls is right about the spine, too. Most carbon arrows are rated at 29". You shorten up by three inches and can get away with a lighter spine. I do it all the time. Shooting 500 spine at 60-63# and 27" works like a charm for me. I like light tips too. I'm a speed freak.
Arrows..........I did some comparison on Bowjackson and here's what I got. All arrows to have 100 grain tips and 3 4" feathers. Standard uni-nock, And all arrows figured at 25.5"
Arrow shaft Weight %FOC
Beman ICS 500 Black 330gr 14.2
Beman ICS 400 Black 354gr 13.2
CX 200 Hunter 341gr 13.1
Gold Tip 5575 Black 342gr 13.0
Vapor 3000 VC 348gr 12.1
Easton Epic 500 354gr 13.2
This is just some ideas of what I think would work. As you can see they all fall into the 5.5gr/lb range which keeps your warranty intact. And the FOC for a hunting shaft is excellent also. In my opinion I would favor the Gold Tip. They are good arrow and although I've never shot them I got a real itch to shoot some of the X Cutters. I shoot the Bemans in both sizes and they are OK. My last choice would be the Carbon Express CX. They are the highest quality of them all but at a higher price and made in Korea (I think CX is raping the American consumer with the price).
bigbulls is right about the spine, too. Most carbon arrows are rated at 29". You shorten up by three inches and can get away with a lighter spine. I do it all the time. Shooting 500 spine at 60-63# and 27" works like a charm for me. I like light tips too. I'm a speed freak.
02-23-2005, 08:47 PM
#36
Nontypical Buck
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RE: Help with speed
ORIGINAL: bigbulls
When you get to a chrono shoot the same arrows through it and post what you get for speed.
Just curious to know.
BG, can you set it up to shoot with a 28 inch draw and 64 pounds to see what that bow gets through the chrono?
When you get to a chrono shoot the same arrows through it and post what you get for speed.
Just curious to know.
I took a 60# P-34 off the rack and set it up to chrono. Changed the module out and installed a P2 for 26" draw.
What are you looking for? Comparing the 32 to the 34???? I'll see what I can do for you and get back to you. Just for giggles I gotta do the math and make an estimate. 330gr arrow doing 255 now. Add 2" and 4# and it should be cracking the light at 280 to 285. We'll see.
Hey that may not be bad though. That's just about what I can get out of my SlayR at 56lbs.
02-24-2005, 05:02 PM
#38
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RE: Help with speed
OK, I tried the P-34 at 28" draw, 64lbs, whisker bisquit, shooting a 330 grain arrow-----275fps. Then I changed the rest and put a Quicktune 1000 on it. Surprisingly it only did 277 fps. I really though the WB would slow it down more. At least that what I have been hearing. Guess I'll have to get better hearing aids.
The bow shoots nice and smooth, but I'm not impressed with the speed. For camparison I shot my Martin SlayR right afterwards using the same arrow (It's my winter 3D arrow). At 27" draw and 53# it's doing 273fps. Think about that. It's a full inch shorter and a full 10# less, but almost as fast. And at 53# those two cams roll over like butter.
Bigbulls, not telling you what to do, but if you get the chance try a Martin Cougar with the Nitrous cams, just for comparison. Sorry to say we don't have any Nitrous cams in our store. The Cougar retails the same as the P-34. It compare s favorably with the SlayR for speed, about 5 fps less on paper.
The bow shoots nice and smooth, but I'm not impressed with the speed. For camparison I shot my Martin SlayR right afterwards using the same arrow (It's my winter 3D arrow). At 27" draw and 53# it's doing 273fps. Think about that. It's a full inch shorter and a full 10# less, but almost as fast. And at 53# those two cams roll over like butter.
Bigbulls, not telling you what to do, but if you get the chance try a Martin Cougar with the Nitrous cams, just for comparison. Sorry to say we don't have any Nitrous cams in our store. The Cougar retails the same as the P-34. It compare s favorably with the SlayR for speed, about 5 fps less on paper.
03-04-2005, 06:35 PM
#39
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RE: Help with speed
Just to throw some of my 2 cents on the table.
I'm shooting a Parker Phoenix 34 set at 60 pounds even with a 28" Gold Tip XT hunter arrow and 100 gr field tips, 29" draw, a wisker biscuit rest, peep sight, string loop nock, string leeches, and 4" feathers, and a pro diamond release. My total arrow weight comes in to 364gr.
My cronographed speed was 261fps over ten averaged shots ranging between 259 and 263fps.
I'm shooting a Parker Phoenix 34 set at 60 pounds even with a 28" Gold Tip XT hunter arrow and 100 gr field tips, 29" draw, a wisker biscuit rest, peep sight, string loop nock, string leeches, and 4" feathers, and a pro diamond release. My total arrow weight comes in to 364gr.
My cronographed speed was 261fps over ten averaged shots ranging between 259 and 263fps.
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