Well, I finally did it. I finally tore the grip off of my Mathews MQ1 yesterday afternoon. I have long felt that the factory grip worked poorly for my hand and caused me great difficulty in finding a torqueless way to hold the grip. After hearing that others have gone to aftermarket grips (Shrewd, Loesch, etc) and even used the bare riser I decided to make a change.

I removed the grip and began experimenting with various wrist angles while holding directly on the bare riser. I discovered the low wrist position to be by far the most comfortable and relaxed shooting position I have used. When lowering and locking my left shoulder (I'm right handed) I found this grip to be rock steady. I can now understand how people can claim to shoot 3 inch groups at 30 yards. My groups were so close that my fletchings were taking a beating. I can see robinhoods in my future! I'm quite excited about this whole experience. It feels very liberating.

In addition to experimenting with the grip, I also tried my new Truball Pro Diamond release for the first time last night. The combination of my new release, grip change, and the recent addition of my no-peep has me drilling consistent bullseyes. You talk about a lift in confidence!

I wanted to share my experiences from yesterday, but I'd also like to inquire about the Loesch Zero Torque Pivoting Grip:

http://www.bowgrips.com/catalog/grip.cfm?GripID=103

While the bare riser has improved my accuracy, it is quite uncomfortable, and I'd like to cover it with a high quality, low torque grip. Has anyone used this grip? Can a low wrist position be used with this grip? Any information would be appreciated.

Congratulations on your gain in accuracy!! I've done the same thing for years, shooting off the bare riser, and have enjoyed my shooting much more ever since. More and more new bows are coming from the factory with less grip surface to promote accuracy. While big grips may look nice and feel comfortable, the farther the sides of the grip extend out from the centerline of the riser, the more leverage the grip has over the riser to induce accuracy robbing torque. Good luck and keep a good supply of nocks and fletching on hand

Hey, thanks for your reply. Do you use any wrapping/padding on your riser? I'm a bit torn right now on whether I'll try an aftermarket low-profile grip or just keep it clean and go without. I'd like to try the Zero Torque grip, but that's quite a pricey experiment! [&:]

I shot my old MQ-1 last weekend .........and WOW........that grip is huge ........I didn't remember them being that big !! The new Mathews inline grip is much better/slimmer and still comfortable !! It would probably cost you as much as a Leosch though !!

If your close to a Mathews dealer you can always check out a Outback (for the inline grip) or one of the other models with a competition grip (about the same....just slightly larger than the inline !! Both are a mid-low wrist design !

But neither of those are super thin grips !!

If you're sure that you won't go back to the big grip, why don't you try shaving down the original grip to a more slender shape. It won't cost you more than about $5.00 for sandpaper and finish

I went to a highly recommended local guy who helped with the way I grip my bow. I shoot a PSE Mohave (left-handed) and tried a strong tight grip, and basically making a "V" with my palm straight out and thumb.

This guy showed me a new way to grip my bow...I'll try to explain it. You basically make an "O" with your thumb and pointer-finger and grip the bow with just those two fingers. The other three fingers get tucked under and into the palm.

This creates a natural angle of your grip hand that puts your wrist, elbow and shoulder in a natural, comfortable alignment which equals no torque.

The problem with gripping the bow with your whole fist is torque. Same thing with the "V" grip. The skin between the thumb and forefinger is tight when drawing the bow and immediately loosens up when you release the arrow...again creating torque.

Try it, you may like it. It's a little strange at first but you get used to it.