What does a hybrid really do that a high end single cam doesn't ?
 

Since it's slow ........I figured someone may answer this for me ! And after hearing all the posts about how Mathews has painted their way into a corner !!

I am not getting it with the current bow offerings.........

There seems to be no big difference in speed , nock travel, draw cycle, etc. !!

So what is hybrid supposed to do better ...then say single cams like a BT Liberty/Patriot or a Mathews LX/Outback ????

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I'm still trying to figure out what a single cam does that a dual cam can't.[&:]

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LOL all Cams do the same thing :)

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They all do the same thing, fling arrows. I shoot my singles as well as my duals, and I shoot my duals as well as my singles. I also shoot both equally bad at times. [:@] In the end, I'd say it'll come down to personal preference. As to Mathews painting themselves into a corner, I think they have to a degree. To come out now and build a hybrid or dual cam may appear hypocritical to some. To others it may show the ability to change but, they'd eat allot of crow to do so, given the Hoyt ads.

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Good question because I always see these two statements used and yet they both cannot be true at the same time.

"The Pros can shoot anything well."

"The average shooter won't notice a difference in the accuracy of the different types of cams."

Hmm, so who does benefit from the different styles?

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Answear: the manufacturer bennifits from selling the bows. they all build what they think is at least a workable design. We just buy right into it and get the next thing to come out. Does one make you shoot any better than the other? Only if you think it does..

Is one really any better than the other?? Only if you think it is..

So pick your poision and go shoot it. Thye all will cast an arrow...

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Inheritly has better nock travel , and stays that way longer , with 3 strings of equal length as opposed to a string that is twice as long as the cabel , one of the reasons hoyt and pearson made theirs with 3 equal strings , which was a better mousetrap .

nothing , dualcams can do anything a single can better

of those 2 statments I would say the latter is false

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True or false isn't really the point I am trying to make ijimmy....but rather that a person cannot make both of those statements and yet still say that one cam design is inferior to the other. I have seen it on numerous occasions.

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I can answer that. They can shoot heavy arrows (or any other arrow) more efficiently than a dual cam. As I am sure you know a solocam only loses about 1 fps for every 3 grains of arrow weight where a dual cam loses 1 fps for every 2 grains of arrow weight. In other words if you went from shooting a 350 gr. arrow to a 450 gr. arrow, you would loose 30-35 fps with a solocam and 40-50 with a dual cam.

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I will throw this out to answer the original question. I don't know, yet. I have been shooting my Mathews FeatherMax with original Max Cam for several years now, and I am currently shooting it better than I ever have. My average in our paper animal league is either 3rd or 4th highest out of 40 some guys and gals. This is shooting against many other hybrids (Hoyts) and several wheely bows. I have always had good flight, both with fieldpoints and broadheads. All that being said, I am really excited to get my new "hybrid" bow and see the differences.

I think for the nock travel, we have to take that with a grain of salt, as most of us have no way to truely measure it, ie expensive equipment. Therefore, we must rely on what the manufacturers tell us. Obviously solo's and dual's perform, as do the hybrids. I mean, how many solo cam bows were in the woods and at the line the past few years. Shoot what you want, and do what you can to take it to the next level.

It is archery, not rocket surgery (stolen from a dog trainer I know)

Have fun,
JMAC

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No matter which cam system you have on your bow, it must be tuned or rotated to factory spec for the system to operate the way it was designed. Modern string materials are very good but sooner or later, which ever system you are shooting will need maintence to keep performing the way it was designed. I don't think the statement that single cams are faster with heavy arrows that duals can be proven until a bow is built that can be set up with a single cam and dual cams with the exact same force draw curve, draw length, brace height, axle to axle length and have the same amount of inherent friction in the system. Marketing is the largest driving force to get people to buy new bows. New systems, colors, weights, performances and promises, etc is what keeps selling bows. Thay are all good otherwise they wouldn't be selling.

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Here are some information that is stated from various companies on their cams.

Hybrids have straighter nock travel thank solo cams - True & False so neither is the better option it all depends on the cam in question. Some cams such as the Cam 1/2 by Hoyt & the Straightline Max Cam by Mathews have very level nock travel. Is one better than the other? Not really. People have shot bows with very poor nock travel very well so in general repeatability of the shot sequence may be more important in the long run.

Single Cams never go out of sync - another True & False statement. Technically they never go out of tune but they can go out of time when the cables stretch. The hybrid helps this by using a shorter cable length BUT a single cam like the model Pearson made 3 years ago & the one Hoyt made before the hybrid cam will do a similar job. The idler on those systems terminated the string in the idler which gave shorter strings & where less likely to stretch. I think this is a moot point with any cam system anymore, good strings by Winners Choice, Stone Mountain, etc. will eliminate this problem anyway.

Dual cams and Hybrids are faster - True & False again - it all depends on the bow & how it is designed. Hoyts IBO speeds are right in line with the speeds they had with single cams, mathews speeds on the black max are fatser than some dual cams. This another point that is rather silly in my perpective. a bunch of marketing BS on all sides of the fence. You see speeds for all 3 styles anywhere between 290-330fps so I don't see compairing speed traights as an honest answer either.

Which cam is honestly better? The one you shoot better is the only true answer!

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"For those of you who understand, no explanation is necessary."

"For those of you who do NOT understand, no explanation is possible."

Well, maybe it's not THAT bad,[8D]:D but I see alot of loyalty and posts on here simply based on emotion and flat-out brand preference. It would honestly take me about 3-5 hours to detail the overall inherent properties of hybrids that thus makes them so much superior to the conventional solocam technically, and I do not have the time nor inclination to get into this that deep yet again.:eek: Much smoke has been blown over the last decade over the C Solo, but people are FINALLY figuring it out--TRUE hybrid designs such as the CPS, Omega, Tru-Arc, and now others have it all over a conventional solocam in so many ways it's difficult to find a place to start, let alone explain it all, LOL.:D[8D] And guess what? Twin cams they have beat also! (IMHO) So yes, I'm going to leave you all hanging on this one because it will only turn yet again into another spitting contest so this is just "MHO";)--- But I'll leave you with this--- think about "set and forget" tuning, level nock travel at all drawlengths and what that means when shooting and tuning fixed blade heads, limbtip travel of equal distance during the shot (and what the effects on bows that do not offer this would have during a shot sequence), and overall shootability and handling. The best of these is only a limited example of what you get from the true hybrid designs, and make no mistake, they will soon take over as the #1 eccentric option everywhere, like 'em or not--- I guarantee it-- don't even have to look into the crystal ball this time![8D] Why? Simply because they ARE a better mousetrap, no matter what the solocam loyalists or twin cam loyalists(of which I was until my own eyes were opened) scream--the bottom line is that they have effectively combined the best attributes of both into one system and thrown out the poor qualities of each. And most REAL industry techs who are worth their salt agree. As stated , "JMHO".;)) Good shooting, Pinwheel 12

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Silent,
A bit to general for my tastes.......also every cam system has it's own efficiency levels regardless of single, dual, or hybrid and will react differently to varying arrow weights even within the same cam system.

For example.....you state that duals lose 40-50fps from a 350-450gr jump.
My 03' Patriot Dual Cam did not bear this out.

374gr= 318fps
474gr= 289fps

Net loss over 100gr jump in weight= 29fps. That's 1fps for every 2.9grs.

Food for thought.

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Pinwheel 12 - I am sure from some technical aspects the Hybrid might show some positives over the other styles but they as well show some positives over the hybrid. No doubt I agree that the hybrid is here to stay as well as the single cam & dual cams. I like options and it was great seeing Bowtech, AR, and Merlin having all types of cams. It adds to a wider market to appeal to more shooters which is a good thing. Now I would ask this. Can you show me how any cam version is vastly superior to any other? Be as technical as you want but offer a fair comparison of each type to show the stengths & weekness of them all. Speed alone is not a good comparison as to which system is more efficient.

This is an interesting topic so I would love to see the details form an engineering standpoint.

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Orions_Bow, my man, you're asking for a 500 page book minimum, filled with charts and graphs on each and every cam system on the market! Very definitely something I'd like to see done, but it would be obsolete by the time it left the printer's shop.:)

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LOL Arthur you are right! Maybe a best of 5 or 6 cam systems report.

Hoyt Cam 1/2
Darton CPS System
Mathews Straightline Max Cam
Bowtech Dually Cam
Merlins Dually Cam
Mathews HP Cam

Now that would be a cool report!

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Matt,

That was a pretty generalized statement and I am sure that you would know more about it than me. I was using the generalized 2:1 and 3:1 statement. I actually had you in mind or at least I thought it was you that had previously posted this 2:1 - 3:1 "rule":D. Obviously, it doesn't hold true in every case but generally speaking solos are more efficient than duals.

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OB--

Variety is good yes, but only to the degree that it does not hamper an archers' ability should there be something else that will help said archer improve score or be more accurate on game. I will try to get back here to get more in-depth with this as I know my last post was unfair to leave you guys hanging like that. Difficult when running three businesses, ya know.[8D];)

Art-- You are exactly right! At LEAST 500 pages![:o]:eek: Lots of work.

INDEPENDANT Testing is the only way to pull the rabbit out of the hat to be honest--- all done in a facility with state of the art equipment, all models tested in the same place, at the same time, with the same equipment, same arrows, and by the same NON-biased testers who have no affiliations to any manufacturer and who do not accept bribes or cower to threats![8D] THEN we could get to the bottom of it all, even tho I do this same sort of stuff myself and already know the outcome.;)

More later when time permits. Pinwheel 12

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I certainly don't pretend to be able to jump into this conversation and add any input, but I'd like to ask this. For the guy who just wants a good dependable bow that he can take to the deer stand and kill a deer when the opportunity presents itself, does it really matter what type of cam system he shoots as long as he can put it in the kill zone when it counts? Personally I could care less about knocking fletching off my arrows at 40 yards because I have yet to shoot a deer (or at one for that matter) beyond about 30 yards. Some are 20 yards, most are less. As far as I'm concerned, as long as I can put the first shot in the kill zone every time, I'm a happy camper. It's very rare you will get that second shot if you goof the first one.

I agree these conversations are good for picking up the technical aspects of each system, and I feel they are necessary but are we being just a bit picky here? Chances are we will all never agree on what is truly the best system.

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Have to aggree with mike on this one!

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Here is my take. I originally shot dual cams for year with good success. I then switched to a solocam with good success and now, I'm on my first Hybrid system, the Cam 1/2, again, with good success.

The evolution of the cam systems is a big deal these days, especially for the "big 3". Both the single and the hybrid systems work well. I do however suspect that the hybrid systems may be more efficient than the solos.

As far as the nock travel issue. Unless they can nail down perfect nock travel in the future, the big key is not level travel, but consistant travel. I think either the solo or hybrid can accomplish consistant travel.

I am pretty loyal to Hoyt, they've been good to me and I shoot them well. If Hoyt was still plugging away with the solo, I'd still be shooting them. The cam system was not a factor. It was a nice change to shoot a C.5 though.

One question I have about the current solo lineups is this. When Hoyt was still using the Versacam, they used a dual track idler. They used 3 similar length strings and cables on the bow instead of one giant string that returned as a cable and short yoke. The shorter length string, much like a dual cam string, was less apt to stretch and twist than the longer counterpart. Of course this can be almost completely eliminated with the new high end strings like WC and such. Isn't that a better system than the current solos? Why aren't others using this?

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Two reasons come to mind...if I had to hazard a guess. One, you said it yourself, string materials have come along way and string stretch is not as much of an issue on any style of cam bow. Two, a round dual track idler cannot correct nock travel problems typically associated with many single cam designs.

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I have some very good friends that don't go hungry and they shoot just a stick and a string and a very sharp broadhead. Pick your cam type and hype it all you want because it will do the job. I've never in 31 years and 40 some odd bows had one that I couldn't shoot well. The two bows I had when I was hunting a very good area killed many deer for me at a time in my life when my family and I really did need something to eat. One was a Jennings model "W" 4 wheeler and the other was a PSE Pacer:) It's all marketing guys, the new bows all are light years ahead of bows 20 and 30 years ago and back then "they" were deadly accurate and long before anyone knew much about nock travel;)

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That is the smartest thing I have heard anyone say in a long while.

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Mike-

You are correct---this is a good place to pick up TECHNICAL aspects of each system---IF one wants to listen and learn from TECHS. Problem is, everyone here is not a tech for one, and everyone is loyal to what they shoot also--- being passionate about the sport most will defend mightily what they shoot or even what they BELIEVE to be true. Shooting a 6" group at 20 yds will not tell you how easy a bow will tune or how forgiving it is or whatever---it may be capable of taking game at that range, but what happens to that 6" group when you stretch it out, or add noise, short brace heights, etc, etc. etc? many unanswered questions that many will simply overlook due to their level of ability, loyalty, or preferences..

SO--

The ONLY way to learn the true technical aspects of each system is to read technical results from tests conducted by non-biased industry techs who know what they're talking about---this way one can find out which bow performs better in certain areas to fit the individual archers' preferred application(s). There are bows that are faster, bows that are quieter, bows that have better geometry, cam systems that are nasty to draw, some that are smooth, some that kick like a mule, some that have terrible efficiency, some with terrible consistency, some that are great, and some that just plain suck!;) Any person can go out and spend a hard-earned $600-800 and to justify that purchase rant and rave about how great that bow is. Maybe it even IS the best thing they have shot to date---so for them, what they believe is true in their minds. However, having said that, and being one who constantly tests equipment using actual equipment for measuring certain aspects, I know that for the most part those individual thoughts and biases can be fleeting as things constantly improve and progress. We did hit a wall for about a decade with the massive advertising hype of conventional solocams, but now finally the technology is starting to win out and move forward again, and more and more of the general public is also realizing what we techs have in the past few years.

I got a few e-mails and one in-depth phone call last night after posting on this subject with my promises of a full and in-depth comparason of each of the designs-- and because of them I must say it is in my best interest to stand down on this and let you all decide for yourselves what you feel is best for you. However no matter what I do not state here I will still stand by my original statement that I believe the TRUE hybrid system with perfectly round cable track(CPS, Omega, Tru-Arc, etc) retains the best qualities of both the conventional solocam and twin cam properties without carrying their fallicies and exhibits excellent nock travel, and this system will prevail as the #1 system on the market in the years to come. NEVER have I set-up a system so easy to tune and one that will shoot such incredible groups with a variety of arrow spines by simply setting it up according to the instructions provided by the factory. I have discussed these attributes with many other techs recently, and we all concur that the next step forward is here now, and manufacturers will be working with this design over all others simply because there is much more room to move within it technically.

I'm sorry that I must leave you hanging on this one, but as stated it is in my best interest to do so and not expound in too great a detail. Good shooting, Pinwheel 12

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From my experience I've concluded that they all shoot equally well when timed and tuned properly with a correctly spined arrow. Each is different in the ease of getting to that point. I've always found twins to be more critical of timing. It took longer to get them timed and was more critical that they stay there. An out of time twin shoots a broadhead terribly. In the past, they were louder, had more vibration and were best in the hands of a knowledgable archer. Today, most of these are no longer issues, but syncronization is still critical and those shooting stock strings will probably still experience problems.

Singles are easier to get tuned and syncronization is not an issue. In the past, they had issues with string creep and stretch. An archer who knew the basics, could easily check this and keep the bow tuned. It was simply a matter of adding twists to the string to maintain proper length and checking the position of the string nock periodically. With a good string, this is no longer an issue. My last string only stretched 1/16" with 6 months of shooting. Some singles do shoot broadheads better then others. This may be an issue with nock travel on those particular manufacturer's cams.

On hybrids, there are timing marks, so timing is necessary, though not nearly as critical as on a twin. Singles are easier to time, in my opinion. Hybrids have fewer string issues then the others, because they're shorter and less critical of problems with stretch or creep. From what I read, nock travel is not an issue, but then again nock travel does not appear to be much of an issue on a timed twin, or most late model singles. However, I would have to rate hybrids as tops in nock travel. The real question: Just how important is nock travel? I have a feeling it's much more important when shooting broadheads, then when shooting field tips.

In my opinion, rating one better then the other, comes down to the cams inherent forgiveness and the ease of getting it timed and tuned. They can all be made to shoot equally well. That's been proven. Some will simply take a bit more work or more expertise to get it to that level and to keep it there. I would rate the hybrids as slightly ahead of singles in this department. Twins bring up the rear, in my opinion. They shoot great when you get everything perfect, but the average bowhunter doesn't have a clue how to accomplish or maintain this. It only takes a slight movement on one cable to throw the cams out of sync. causing the bow to shoot a broadhead terribly. An archer who knows little about timing and tuning, is better off with a hybrid in my opinion. A knowledgable archer will have any of them shooting fine, and so will a good bow shop.

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Straightarrow,

Excellent post. I tend to agree completely with your comments. I have found much the same thing in my experiences with the different cam styles.

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Another reason why I prefer hybrids and twins is the string lengths and peep "finicky-ness". With modern string materials the string creep isn't a big problem once it is settled in, but installation of a peep (one that does NOT use the rubber tubing) can still be irratating because of the string that is nearly 100" long.

And when you're trying to get that last 1/8 of a turn to get your peep jussssst in the right orientation at full draw, and you either change a strand or two from one side to the other, or you give the string a half a twist, you have to deal with 100" of string settling back in to get it right. It's much easier, at least for me, to deal with normal string lengths of twins and hybrids.

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I have found this statement to be very true . Pinwheel , being a dealer does not want to burn bridges , or ditz anyone . But I will say this , hoyts system is very diferant than the systems mentioned , not haveing a concentric top wheel , and as such is more like a twin cam than a hybred . I am no expert by any means , but its a snap for me to tune the type of system pinwheel is speeking of , or a twincam allso , but I found hoyts system imposable for myself to get a desent tune with . I know they kicked but in the tournys this year , but for myself I would rather have a true twin cam or one of the true hybred systems , as in my experance they are much easyer to get "a good tune" with .

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Pinwheel12,

What confuses most of us non-techs (or at lest me) is that the techs don't all agree either and each have their own opinion. If we had the majority of archery "techs' coming out and saying this is far superior, then we would be inclined to believe that way.........IF.......... there weren't that other confusing factor out there. I hear people talk about all the reasons that solos are inferior and why level nock travel is superior etc. etc. but solos keep winning at Vegas and in the major 3-D tournaments. I hear the same old argument about how those guys could win with anything, but the fact of the matter is they can only shoot as good as their equipment. Sure, the best shooters in the world could pick up a bow at a pawn shop spend 15 minutes on it and spank me like a red headed stip child, but they can't do that to the other great shooters in the world. The only way they are beating the other great shooters is to shoot as well as the others shoot, with equipment that shoots as well as the other's shoot. All this just leads me to believe that the solo or what ever cam system that I choose to shoot is more than inherently accurate enough to consistently make perfect shots at normal hunting yardages. While I do see the need for these type of tech conversations when it all gets down to it, it's like talking about who's deer is the deadest. Now taking it out of the hunting realm and focusing purely on the target realm there is possibly more validity to this conversation. But, I still have to ask, if duals and hybrids are so much more accurate and level nock travel is so important, then why aren't the guys that are shooting these systems running away with the target archery wins? For me those are the questions that I need the techs to answer, because I can hear all of the technical explanations, but the common sense side of me just can't buy in if I can't see it put into practical application. JMHO

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SA- You also have to realize that some of the single cam manufacturers are paying HUGE amounts of cash to people if they win with their bows. If you take a talented pro shooter than can most likely shoot extremely well with any cam configuration and dangle some serious cash in front of them to shoot your brand- what do you think is going to happen?

There are some top national pros in Wisconsin that I talk to, and without mentioning names or brands of bows, I had a draw-drop experience when I heard what the rewards were from that company for winning Vegas and other national tournaments.

Now if that person DOES win- then the manufacturer can advertise like crazy that their bow won this-and-that tournament, and potentially drive more sales.

It is a business, and promotional advertising does seem to work.

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Ijimmy,
Iam really surprised you couldn't get a decent tune with your hoyt cam.5.
I have a 2003 razortec, and i have to say, it was the easiest bow to tune i ever had.
Running a close second was a kodiak bow logic32 with S-Cam.
Ialso had a darton avalanche which was easy also.

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I personally think they are going to get beat. If they shoot against a guy (or girl) of equal talent and they are shooting an inferior piece of equipment they are going to get beat.... IMO....The mere fact that some people can shoot all 3 types equally well, says to me that there is not nearly as much difference in the systems as some would have us believe;) I mean ideally that should be the acid test shouldn't it, put the three different types of equipment on a hooter shooter (or Pro with impecable form) and see which system wins out when you are measuring equipment versuses equipment (which is essentially what you are doing when the type of Pros that you have mentioned shoot the different types of equipment). It's hard for me to believe that some young upstart that hasn't secured sponsors yet wouldn't come along shooting the superior form of equipment and blow some peoples doors off until someone offered to pay him money to come shoot thier inferior equipment;) There are some people that at least start out shooting to win and surely there are some seriously talented individuals out there that are realatively unknown.

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I think the biggest thing the "pros" have all over the rest of us mere mortals is the ability to repeat their shot. I recently read Bernie Pellerite's book, Idiot Proof Archer, and he stated that even a bow way out of whack, illustrated with a hooter shooter, will stack arrows all day long. He also stated that Terry Ragsdale (I think that's who it was) set his record at Vegas with a bow shooting a 5" left tear or something really frigged up like that.

Do the same thing over and over if you're good enough, cam systems don't matter.

Now, for the rest of us, I think they do matter, just not sure to what extent. I believe that most "bowhunters" who pick up their bow a week before season, shoot a few arrows and head for the tree, will shoot better with a good single, due to the solid wall giving them a repeatable anchor. My B-I-L lost deer after deer in the heat of the moment when using a mushy wall 2 cam, most probably due to inconsistent anchor, but in front of a target he had time to hone in. This year, with an '02 high brace extreme solo, he was 3 for 3, all pass throughs, from 10-30 yards. His confidence levels are through the roof, needless to say.

I'm sure a hybrid exhibiting straight and level nock travel will be easier to tune, but if one is aware of potential shortcomings and prepares for them with say proper spine, etc, getting a good tune shouldn't be too much of an issue with any modern bow.

I was really looking forward to Pinwheel's take on things :( Perhaps he can link an article or something from another tech that will enlighten us...

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Why can he shoot extremely well with any cam configuration? Isn't that an indication that all cam configurations shoot well, and that the key ingredient is the archer's ability, not the cam he is shooting?

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I had a big post typed up, but I tire of the endless techno-babble…[&:] so basically my point has already been summed up by others…

Translation: The biggest part of the equation is the doofus tugging on the string.[&:]

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Straightarrow,

I think that's twice now in a matter of a week or so that you and I totally agree on something:D

JeffB,

I no longer give any credence to what you say because you are now afiliated with Bowtech:eek::D

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Now that's scary! I'm calling my doctor for an appointment as I type. :D

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A pro with top form is emulating and approaching what a Hooter Shooter can do. Be a machine of ultimate repeatability every time. They (HS's) are fun to play with, I have one in my basement. :)

The Hooter Shooter is not what will determine what "the best" type of equipment or design that a bow/cam configuration is. All the HS does is shoot the bow the same way, every time. It doesn't care if shoots a single cam, dual cam, hybrid, or recurve. It will put the same arrow in the same hole EVERY time, even a severely bent arrow or waaaay outta whack-timed bow.

Then you start to have to consider what is most forgiving and easy to use for the average archer or joe-bowhunter who may not possess that impeccable form.

When you get to the level of talent that some of the top pros possess, it would be VERY difficult for anyone to come in and blow their doors off, no matter what they shoot. Someone with that much archery talent is approaching what a HS can do, and that is perform like a machine with ultimate repeatability. And the HS has proven that a machine can shoot an arrow from ANY BOW into the same hole time after time....

How do you blow the doors off someone that may shoot perfect, or near perfect scores all the time?