I love my ACC's, I would just stick with them!

Have a look at www.blackhawkarchery.com. Good reviews recently (I forget the magazine).

Unless slightly better durability is your utmost goal, then really you are taking a step down by going to IC type carbons. While some yield impressive weight and straightness tolerances, they still cannot match the spine consistency of ACC's. When used as 3D arrows a unibushing in the back of IC types will help w/ nock end cracks that are so prevalent in the design. By the time you add in the price of a uni-bushing and Gnocks for a dozen Goldtip 3D Pro's or Carbon Express 3D Selects, you are in the same ballpark monetarily as the ACC for only a slight improvement in durability.

This does not mean that the high-end IC carbon arrows are bad, or not accurate..far from it....just less consistent from arrow to arrow and dozen to dozen which at times will give a mystery flyer or arrrow that won't group.

ACC's on the other hand often check in at better straightness than stated, impeccable weight tolerance (and ability to weight match dozen to dozen by letter code.. IC dozens can vary up to 20 grains average from dozen to dozen that I've tested), and the aforementioned extremely tight spine tolerance which makes for the most forgiving setup and arrow flight when tuning and/or shooting form are compromised(for whatever reason).

The Blackhawk brand sounds promising but I've tried to contact them several times in the last 4 months and have yet to hear any response or see a catalog in the mail. If you really wnat to try some the Advantage Timber Cabelas camo carbons, and the Cabelas A/C type shafts are made by Blackhawk.

Goldtip 3D Pro's and CX 3D selects are my suggestions if you wish to try them. If Beman could hold their straightness tolerances around .006 TIR or less in the ICS shafts, I would have no hesitation to shoot them as my main arrow shafts..they are consistent in weight, and have the most consistent spine of the IC types I've tested and shot..if you can lop off the bad ends they are scary accurate.

I suggest you do a thread search for "Carbons" from last summer or spring for more info.

JeffB

Jeff, for the price I pay for ACE here in canada , with out components, not to mention the weave of companies like gametracker, CT McKinneys seems much tougher to me then the straight laminate of ACE, of course knowing from experiences of shooting ACE. I think I will go for an arrow that is roughly $40-50 cheaper and will most likely last longer, and not bend, probably not snap as fast either. The Mckinneys are ever straighter then the ACE and the same straightness as X10 same weight and better spine coverage with the MAC system. They and other carbon companies have had great reveiws. I like easton, but they charge way to much. Especially for a student aspiring for the olympics like me.
Good shooting.
Dylan

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check ou tof some of the new easton carbon arrows that are coming out this year.....they may justbe what you are looking for. I still say stick to the ACC's!

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Jeff, for the price I pay for ACE here in canada , with out components, not to mention the weave of companies like gametracker, CT McKinneys seems much tougher to me then the straight laminate of ACE, of course knowing from experiences of shooting ACE. I think I will go for an arrow that is roughly $40-50 cheaper and will most likely last longer, and not bend, probably not snap as fast either. The Mckinneys are ever straighter then the ACE and the same straightness as X10 same weight and better spine coverage with the MAC system. They and other carbon companies have had great reveiws. I like easton, but they charge way to much. Especially for a student aspiring for the olympics like me.
Good shooting.
Dylan

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55,

ACE shafts and McKinney's are 2 very different things than ACC and IC type carbons.

ACE barrelled shafts are very low poundage target only type material. ACC's are heavier and made for 3D's and hunting applications as well as indoor and outdoor targets. Comparing the two is like comparing a F150 and a Yugo.

The shafts from CT are a pultruded arrow which is an entirely different animal as well..Pultruded arrows in general are a tougher arrow than ANY other carbon shaft, whether it's A/C construction or Internal component wrapped shafts.

Good luck in your quest!

JeffB

Hi, I just went back to carbon arrows I was using allumiun. I shopped around I decided to go to the carbon extremes 5080's they are durable I have seen them shot into a concrete wall just changed the tip. They are also weight forward so less brodhead tuning. The arrows have no choice to fly streight. Carl Ellik