The Liberty is great and the Justice VFT is just a short axle to axle but with a 8" brace height and it is just as nice and smooth.

I am buying a new 04 liberty this week friday as a matter of fact! I can`t wait.

Looks like sales of the Liberty are sure stacking up!!!! Probably why I haven't seen my Patriot Dually yet,,,,, same riser[:'(] Good luck with your's[8D]

The shop called thursday and told me the bowtechs are in When i got there today they told me that the liberty was the only one that they did not get in[:'(] But all the rest of them were in the JUSTICE the PRO40 the MM-VFT the PATRIOT-VFT and the BLACKKNIGHT but no LIBERTY! They told me maby next week? Is the justice as smooth as the liberty and what are the + and- between the two? Thanks for any help!

I would think you could call the draw cycle about the same considering they use the same cam/idler configuration.... However, the Justice is about 2 to 2.5 inches shorter than the Liberty but with a brace height about a half inch larger. The result is a speed difference of about 6 fps in favor of the Liberty.

Those figures are off the top of my head. I may be a tad off here and there but not by much.

PABowhntr- Thanks for the info!