Dealer dropped bowtech.
 

One of the biggest archery shops in ND took on the bowtech line two years ago. They said they sold a few right away. They have quit handling them. They don't sell. They have one 2003 left that sold for $600. marked down to 380.00. New.
They sell the most of Mathews. About 100 a year. Hoyt is next. They also sell PSE, AR, Browning and others. I shoot a Mathews LX and love it. Have shot Mathews for many years and never had a problem. Every time I buy a new bow, I always shoot the higher quality bows. I always end up with another Mathews.

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Hey, guess what? I shoot a Mathews too! And I've got one thing to say about your post...


Mods, can we get this drivel deleted? And ban the IP address as well when you do it?

Wanna come in and register for our forums just to spew garbage (which sounds very made up), probably just because you heard there's some die-hard Bowtech guys in here? Well, there's some Mathews supporters, as well as Hoyt, Martin, Merlin, PSE, and all the rest, but most of us are a little more mature than that.

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What is the name of the archery shop???

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A local shop here was pretty big in BowTech a couple of years ago. They don't have a single one on the racks any more. I got the impression the factory has gone way overboard on their minimum order rules.

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MQ1Shooter,

I was going to not comment on this thread but since you brought up the issue of moderators acting on this post. Not to be argumentative but....

..the individual in question is totally within his rights to share any factual information that he may have encountered. I don't find it even improbable that such a situation occurred as I am sure there are a variety of factors that could contribute to this possible turn of events.

Regardless of the manufacturer, scenarios such as this can and do happen on a regular basis for whatever reason. The key to it is knowing what the reason is. I did not see one listed.

On the other hand, if this post was intended to generate animosity, and I have no reason to believe that it was, then we can always sort things out through the users IP address.

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I can see this happening easily. Shops have a tendency to push a certain brand, consequently they tend to sell more of that brand. In addition, too many bow lines, cause sales to be spread out to the point where meeting minimums is more difficult. Quantity discounts can only be taken advantage of, if you sell more of a particular brand. A dealer will commonly drop a bow line for one of these reasons, none of them having to do with the quality of the bow. Nobody wants inventory to sit around too long and every shop wants to take advantage of quantity discounts.

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AurthurP,
Seeing that you are in Lake Dallas, I know which proshop you are talking about. I am in Flower Mound and noticed Troy doesn't carry Bowtechs anymore. When I asked them why, no one seems to have a straight answer?????? I guess I'll have to go to Red Sands in Arlington to check them out!

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Frank, maybe I was in the wrong frame of mind when I wrote what I did last night before going to bed; it just hit me very wrong that a brand new person would come in here and appear to be bashing one particular brand of bows just for bashing's sake. I mean, what good does that post do? Sure, that sort of thing happens, but it seemed very childish indeed to proclaim, "Mathews is selling better than Bowtech at our local shop!" Who cares? And I think Mathews makes a good product, but then, so does Bowtech, Hoyt, Martin, Parker, PSE...

I'll reserve my support for this guy until I see some constructive, erudite postings henceforth.

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MQ1, I doubt you'll see any other posts of much merit by this guy. He put the exact same thing on archerytalk. Probably one of the many product bashers with multiple screen names. Screen names numbers totaling more than his IQ.;)
It's one thing to post info re: a product. But using it as an angle to promote an agenda is what makes this post smell, and any others like it.

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Well, I'm not sure what the point of lefse's post was, but I can tell you that it is factually correct. Scheel's in Fargo is probably ND's largest archery dealer, and after picking up Bowtech a couple of years ago, they dropped them starting this year, saying they couldn't sell them, which was true. Everytime I was in there, they always had the same bows on the rack. Not sure why that was. I do know they sell a lot of Mathews there. Maybe they get bigger margin on them or something, dunno. No one is a bigger BT fan than me, and I bought a few of them from them. Now I have to pursue other means to get my Bowtech fix.

Rod

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To hell with his rights Frank!

Give 'em the Guillotine!:D:D

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What arrogance!!

Basing the experience, skill, and honesty of a person on ridiculous and meaningless numbers of posts that a person has made on an Internet forum. Get real!!

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Yeah, but then there is me....at least in regard to the honesty part that is....LMAO:D

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Straightarrow is spot-on on this one-- there could be a number of reasons as to why they dropped the line. Business decisions are made on just that, business, and not always on what happens to tweak the likes of a handful of customers or loyal followers, no matter what brand it is. I also was one of the first dealers to carry Bowtechs in my area but do not any longer. Another guy close to me picked them up, no biggie, if I ever want one or a customer does, we work things out. I return the favor. Things change, peoples' likes change--- Pro shops try different avenues to enhance their businesses, and until you know the exact reason as to why they may have dropped a line, (directly from the horses mouth) it is better to leave things be IMHO instead of trying to speculate.

I also must say that the original post didn't seem to be that far out of bounds, but can also see why substantiated questions about the validity would be raised,(in other words why he got flamed) especially on this board! ;)

Bottom line---dealers try different brands all of the time, I've been through many also over the years. Until dealers truly find a couple or three that will generate the highest sales in their particular area, and couple those sales with top-shelf customer service to boot, it is not an uncommon occurance to see them swap brands around from time to time in an attempt to stimulate their customers. Good shooting, Pinwheel 12

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This guy went and made the exact same post on Archerytalk.com and was immediately flamed also..

Maybe the dealer sold more Mathews due to all the hype and them being the "cool/in" thing w/ all their buddies. Maybe the dealer just pushed the Mathews as their "top of the line" models. Maybe he priced the Mathews slightly higher or lower to make them more appealing. It could be a 1000 different things that have nothing to do w/ the actual quality of the products. I have nothing against Mathews.. as I used to shoot a Zmax a few years back... had no complaints and loved the bow. Only sold it because I'd started a family and archery wasn't an important thing in my life at that time. I just picked up a used Patriot and have yet to shoot it.. but I'm sure I'll be very happy w/ it. I also didn't want to purchase a brand new bow till I got to shoot all of them and compare for myself... so I have to wait till after the ATA show before I even consider a brand new bow.

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Swamp Dawg or Arthur P, I bought my Bowtech from Troy in Flowermound about 1.5 years ago and went back to look at the new ones and didn't really get a straight answer myself when I saw they had none.
Is there a place in the Dallas area that carries the Bowtech line? Red Sands is a little far for me considering I'm in north Allen but if that's where I have to go then that's where I have to go. I like other bows as well but all Troy had was Matthews and I wanted to be able to draw a few brands at the same time.

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Kevin, I don't think anyone is challenging the validity of the information. So why was the Mathews angle brought up? There are shops in my area that quit selling this or that brand of bow. So what! I didn't feel the need to report it on the web. I don't see you doing that either. I'm sure everone who was just waiting to go to this shop in ND will now plan another trip, or still go for the Mathews bows.:eek:
c903, what does it appear to you that Lefse is doing? Check his post count on archerytalk. Many, many people do this. Post a thread like this, then never return to it. Why is that?

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Phil-

Not to defend anyone, but he did post a pretty explanatory reply over on AT, and stated that the worst thing he did was mention he shot a Mathews in that initial post. Sometimes we really need to give people the benefit of doubt, especially when they are a rookie on the boards. We can always lynch them later on at another time.:D JMHO. Good shooting, Pinwheel 12

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I don't feel I was bashing Bowtech very bad. Just stated that they don't sell in this area. You say why was mathews brought up. Can't I say what bow I shoot and like best without getting bashed a lot worse than I did Bowtech.? I wanted to try out the 2004 Bowtechs. Who knows, I might have bought a Bowtech. Does anyone know if there is a dealer in ND that stocks Bowtech. Would like to shoot one. The Hoyt has a nice draw,but I am getting older and like the 80%. 64 years old and a little artheritis. Been shooting bow for 50 years.

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Guess he is proud of his Matthews. No biggie.

A large local archery pro shop sells Matthews, Hoyt, Bowtech and Martin again after dropping Martin for a few years. Although I have shot predominantly Martin, I won't slam other brands...........I may own one of them for my next bow!

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Deer T,
Go to Bowtechs webpage (www.bowtecharchery.com) and put in your zip code under the "finder dealer" heading. There is another proshop in Dallas called All Star Archery I think. I called them and they said it would be the end of Jan. before they got any of the 2004 models in. Hope this helps.

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Lefse, I don't read your post as merely "mentioning" you shoot Mathews. But I can accept your explanation.

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Sometimes I really wonder about these so called "bow Wars'" going on. I mean, I shoot Hoyt, love Hoyt, and never had a single problem with them. My next bow, will be a Hoyt. Why? Because I shoot them very well and I have a lot of confidence in them. I was almost made up on a Bowtech this year. They are of, in my opinion equal quality as Hoyt and plus, they are real shooters. I get my butt kicked by a number of different bows every weekend in 3D. Its not the bow, its the shooter, most of the time. Hoyt, Mathews, Bowtech, Martin. All these bows will shooter better than most archers are capable of. Its a matter of preference within the shooter. If this person came onto the thread to bash a company, thats wrong. All these bows are too good to bash. They are here to give us, the archer an option from one company to another.

Opinions here are welcome, but outright bashing of a company I have a problem with. I try not to get caught up in this. I know what I like, and stick with it, but I'm open to new bows every year.

As far as the dealer dropping Bowtech, thats a surprise. I wish my regular shop would carry them. They carry Hoyt, Reflex and Matthews. Bowtech bows are great and I may have one by Summer to tinker with, and may possibly end up using it for hunting. Who knows?

Let keep this forum respectable. I love coming here because everyone, for the most part is very respectable and I learn a lot. I only hope that I contribute too in a respectable manner to everyone like they do me.

mm88

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Very well written, muzzyman, and my thoughts exactly.

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Some here can buy books with blank pages and mentally fill in their own story.

Lefse simply said that a top-line dealer no longer carried Bowtech, and that he has been shooting a Mathews for many years.....period!

However, if a person wants to bash a company or product and has something valid to base his or her opinion on, it is just too bad someone's feelings get hurt and are reduced to complaining and crying like some 5-year old child.

Bashing manufacturers, dealers, and products are done all the time in these forums. Lefse just did not have a ridiculous "forum rank" to get away with it. "Rookie?" Give me a break! [:@] The guy has been shooting bows for 50 years.

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C903-

"Rookie" meaning he is new to the boards, not necessarily to the sport or to life!

Yes I agree, a break should certainly be given, and I think the mans' explanation has merit in this instance. (JMHO) Time to move on to the next "victim" gents..[8D];) Pinwheel 12

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C903,

You never impressed me as the type of person to take anything that anyone "says" on these forums at face value. Why in this case?

Not trying to be argumentative but rather genuinely curious.

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I don't have any first hand information on this situation YET but let's try to understand, there's been dealers that have dropped bow lines for whatever reasons and there's also been dealers get dropped by bow companies but they SAY they dropped the bow line themselves... Just a thought to ponder...;):D

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And some people can read a book and mentally blot out the words.:eek::D

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Deer T, All Star is on Dilido Rd off I-30 in the BigTown area. It's a bit closer to you than Red Sands, I guess. If it was me, I'd check out Big O's in Sherman. It might be less time consuming to go north instead of having to battle your way thru the idjits on the Dallas freeways.

Whatever happened at Troy's place, it's too bad. Didn't blow chunks outta my world though. They could dispose of Mathews too and not bother me any. Neither BowTech or Mathews makes a bow in my draw length. I just go in to look at all the fancy toys for 'normal' size folks.:) Not to mention I've gotten half addicted to their Dart system.[:o]

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Art, I wonder how many ladies over the years have confused these directions and went looking for Big O's on Dilido rd...

I bet the were both frustrated and dissapointed when they couldn't find it :)

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PABowhntr:

Taking something said at "face value," and reading something that is not there, anticipating the command, jumping the gun, assuming, etc, is entirely different. Especially when the presumption is because someone's gear of preference was dissed and the person being offended has made more posts than the other person.

The number of posts that a person has made on these forums is zero-representative of the person's knowledge and skill. To believe otherwise is stupid. I wonder how many readers that have beneficial input do not post because he or she does not want to be considered a rookie?

The only fact that large numbers of posts indicate, is that some of us may have too much free time on our hands, nothing more.

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True in some sense but then again if one were to follow that logic then another forum member could dismiss everything you just posted because you have over 1000 posts...could they not?

A post count is definitely not a true representation of the individual as that individual might post nothing but argumentative, conflictual information which, even at the best of times, would not be even remotely helpful....or, worse, that individual might post information that is less than truthful in nature if for no other reason than to produce amusement for themselves.

However, one must also consider that to continue to post on any given forum an individual must have some purpose or must derive some form of satifaction related to the content material. To continue to post for no reason whatsoever and for an extended period of time in an area that said person has no interest or experience seems quite improbable to me.

Regardless, I am a little off topic at this point.....

I agree totally. Two entirely different animals and I am not necessarily defending what occurred on this thread. My initial post should verify that. However, one cannot totally dismiss the similarity between some of the "troll type" posts that are generated on the various forums and the orignal post on this thread.

Was it right for everyone to "jump on his case"?....ofcourse not. However, I can see why they might have misunderstood the intent of the post in the first place. Call it "Post traumatic Troll Post Syndrome" if you like....:)

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HMMMM, "some of us have too much free time on our hands, nothing more":D With 1111 posts you must be retired!!! If I came on here and said that XYZ Archery dropped Mathews, Hoyt, Merlin or Martin and claimed "oh well, I shoot BowTechs anyway" I will guarantee that many would be all over me!!!! It's a given that this would happen on this or any other message board. Say something controversial and you ARE going to get many responses, it's just as simple as that;) IMO BowTech bows are at the top of the heap as far as quality and performance but in the past, many models had a stiff draw cycle. This trait will not sell to many that aren't dedicated shooters with years of archery muscle for drawing heavy bows. This could be the reason that any shop stopped carrying BowTech, beginners maybe couldn't draw them well enough. This new year is bringing new models from BowTech that will satisfy anyones requirements for the easy draw force curve they need for comfort. Those dealers that may have dropped BowTech becauce or stiff draw force curves might just be picking the line back up in the future;)

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I posted earlier on this thread, and have been following it for a couple days. It really makes me think about what I post a lot more. Am I going to offend someone? Will what I say be a "jab" at someones equipment, hunting choices, or in my opinion PRIDE?

On the matter of the original post: OK, they dropped Bowtech. Its not like there isn't going to be 100 more shops carrying them in the near future. If my shop dropped Hoyt, yes, I would be disapointed, but I'll just have to find another shop relatively close that is a Hoyt dealer.

C903, is it just me, or are you often in the middle of these types of posts? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I can't remember too many post where you were actually helpful to anyone, but rather bashing them for their points of view, choices of equipment and so forth. All to often I have found you defending an ignorant comment you have made toward someone and other members have called you on it.

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Muzz, come to think of it, C903 seems to have shown a distain for most anything that is of the "higher" price catagory, new design, faster speeds or anything that might make a hunter more comfortable in the field. It does seem like he's "right in the middle' of just about anything that can be argued about, just like a lot of us;)

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Rangeball, yessir, you gotta be extra careful when typing in the name of that road or you'll say something you didn't intend to. LOL

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This post was handled wrong. It should have been ignored. Lefse, was trying to stir the pot a little and he accomplished his goal. Who gives a **** what he shoots? Who gives a **** if the people in North Dakota don't know enough about archery to make up their own minds what to shoot?

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Art, I wonder what Freud would have to say about that... :D

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I am glad to see that I was not the only one with the "Freudian slip"...;)

SA,

You could very well be right.