RE: Dealer dropped bowtech.
 

Forum Posting etiquette:

Rule #1: Never say anything too negative about a bow brand, unless you back it up with several very positive things about the same brand in the same post. Although it's not against forum rules to post your negative opinion on different manufacturers or their equipment, you will be "flamed" most intensely (which is against forum rules) for doing so without the positive statements thrown in.

Rule #2: Don't worry too much about any other rules, because you ain't going to make it here if you don't pay attention to that one. :D;)

RE: Dealer dropped bowtech.
 

Muzzyman88:

Depends on how narrow one looks at something. A dice has eight sides. One person might only see one number, another person might see eight numbers. Also, confronting misinformation is to provide information.

Walks with a Gimp:

If you believe that cost factually represents quality and value, or that personal comfort factually represents necessity and functionality, go for it. There might be others who are on tight budgets, or are realistic, who would like to know that a person does not need an expensive Cadillac to occasionally drive a few yards.

RE: Dealer dropped bowtech.
 

Eh?

What kind of dice are you smoking, er, rolling?

We only have 6 siders around here...

:)

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Yea, that's all we have around here too. We don't have any of those cool 8 sided dice like c903
:eek:

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Rangeball, Frank - If you want a real Freudian slip, try passing the exit sign for that road, hauling butt down I-30. That's how I came across it the first time. It do grab your imagination. :D

C - I don't know who you're shootin' craps with, but I suggest you keep an eye on them. They cheat! ;)

RE: Dealer dropped bowtech.
 

Typo. See! Confronting misinformation has provided factual information. :D

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C903, there were no assumptions made about any of these qualities of the individual. The inference, rather, was made from the connotation of the contextual material provided within the post itself. I never challenged the fact that said dealer may in fact have dropped Bowtech as a part of his offerings; rather, it was the manner in which it was reported. "Bowtech failed, and they sell a ton of Mathews instead. Nyah nyah nyah." So? I'm sure there are myriad shops across the country where Mathews "failed" and Bowtech "succeeded" -- or Hoyt, or PSE, or Martin...

So where is the validity in this case? If a bow's limbs breaks, or a harness system gives way, a string breaks, heck, if the film-dipped finish is marred -- anything service- or product related -- OK, I'll accept that as a valid reason to complain about a manufacturer's product. There is none here.

Wrong again. Bowtech is not my gear of preference. In case you didn't realize it, Mathews manufactured the MQ-1 -- the very brand that lefse was lauding and is obstensibly a big proponent of! The comment had nothing to do with "gear of preference", but everything to do with the manner in which the post was written.

Of course, we may not be able to deduce anything about you from your post count, but I think it safe to say a number of us have been able to realize your contributions to these boards, C903 -- not from the number of posts, but from the merit of such:

Now, having addressed C903 for the last time, I do appreciate you coming back in to explain your motives and intent, lefse, and will be quicker to give you the benefit of the doubt next time.

RE: Dealer dropped bowtech.
 

Lefse: in regards to you being commended for coming back and explaining your motive(s) to those who feelings you seem to have hurt, I offer another process.

The next time you have something to say, why don't you first submit your comments to some of these "play-by-my-rules-only" individuals for editing so they can choose not to post your comments, or to edit your comments so that what you have to say corresponds with what they want to read... or not read.

On the other hand, just bite the bullet and get used to hearing the whining of those that only want comments to concur with their opinions, advice, and way of thinking.

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I realize that I don't have too many posts on here. I am just now able to come back to the sight to post. I was on this site about 2 years ago under another name. I don't think I ever witnessed an arguement on here like this though. The fact is people like different bows. We all shoot different bows. I do think all of you top of the line bows are pretty much equal. I shoot a Bowtech right now and love the way it shoots, but I will always have an open mind to others. Lefse, I also commend you for coming back to explain yourself. I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt and say you were just informing us that you have no shop with the bowtech line in it. Maybe you should go to their website and see if there are any other shops in the area where you could try the new Liberty model. It has a very smooth draw cycle and the 80% letoff you mentioned.

RE: Dealer dropped bowtech.
 

That's too bad ! but that's thier loss .

nubo

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c903, have you ever looked in the mirror?

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C903, this is exactly what we've done, if it's ok for you to do why can't anyone else???

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I will be the first to admit that I can be quite argumentive, and there is a purpose to my madness, but I do not whine and cry when someone does not agree with me or someone does not like a piece of gear that I might prefer.

Some here act as though their mother has been verbally defamed when someone does not like a certain bow, has a different opinion, or does not agree with something said. If I express that I don't agree with something, too bad a person's feelings might be hurt or they feel their believed status is subordinated.

If I do not agree with something or have a different opinion, too bad a person's feelings might be hurt or they feel their believed status is subordinated. Maybe HuntingNet should start a forum category where conflicting opinions and information is not allowed and everyone can sit and hold cyber-hands. [:@]

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C903, I'm not here to argue with you. Disagreeing is part of this board. If we all had the same views and tasts for gear, then what would be the point of this board. Disagreeing in a disrespectful manner is not. I'm not one for suger coating anything, and obviously, you aren't either. But the fact of the matter is, you have not shown a whole lot of respect to others views regardless of whether you agree, or disagree. To me, this is very distastful. I don't always agree with everything said on here, but I try to respect others views and try to elaborate on why I look at something differently.

I feel everyone here demands respect. Whether a rookie archer, or a seasoned veteren, all views are welcome.

Think....then type.

RE: Dealer dropped bowtech.
 

Hey all, I'm gonna take this back off topic (I know, what's new?)...;):D

In my travels in the western part of Indiana, I saw one road named Gobblers Knob Rd. and one named We We Hill Rd. :D

Hey, when your traveling a couple hundred miles a day and don't have anyone riding with you, it's funnier...;):D


BTW, These roads were in the same area as a road that I had to travel crossed a creek 4 times.... Without bridges... You had to drive through the creek and there were signs stating "Do not cross if water is high?... No sh*t... LOL...
Weird thing is, my GPS recognized this road...LMAO...:D

RE: Dealer dropped bowtech.
 

Well, here we go again, another confrontational thread. It is, of course, chocked full of jabs, stabs and all the other gloom and glitter that usually accompanies this sort of topic.

Although my profile shows that I joined in '03, that is not correct. Although my profile shows that I have 470 posts, that is not correct. So, to base your comments about what the 'record' shows, may be incorrect. Several times over my tenure here, this forum's format has been changedi. Many of us were 'cut back' on our post count during these transitions - and the cut was without formula. If you changed your server or did any other similar individual change to your computer, you would have probably had to reregister - therefore the change in the date when you joined. Anyhow, I've been around here for about 3-4 years; but, the record doesn't show it.:(

Even though I don't do a lot of posting, compared to others, I try to make my posts meaningful. I try to keep from being too argumentative and especially try to not embarrass another member. Getting my point, my opinion, my facts (usually my professional findings) across to those who may, or may not be interested, can be done in a respectful manner. I don't claim to know it all, but have a much larger base of analysis over most. :eek:

I used to get somewhat offended by those who seemed to only want to argue with little or no basis. I learned to ignore those personality types. Remember, it could be a Freudian or a Saddist behind a keyboard and you really have little to no way of knowing. I also, right or wrong, have always questioned those who hide behind anonymity. I therefore choose to ignore certain members of this and other forums. Does that make me any of a number of negative terms that those members could derive? I could care less. My time is valuable and I choose not to waste it arguing with certain fools.;)

As far as BowTech is concerned, I considerd at one time in dropping the line in my shop. I picked them up their first year in business and was somewhat disappointed in many of the aspects previously mentioned. I did, however, see them trying to improve. The other quality that I saw in them was their commitment to customer satisfaction and that they were willing to listen and change. They not only listened to their end users, but listened to their Dealers. They made changes that went away from what we perceived to be their forte - speed. They made changes to their manufacturing processes to insure a better end product.:D

I am truly glad I didn't choose to drop them or that they didn't choose to drop me. I see a company that is willing to change - unlike some of the others out there. I like that. :)

RE: Dealer dropped bowtech.
 

I have heard in my area that Bowtech is having financial difficulties and also legal issues with another bow company , do you have any input on this issue? It was a deciding factor for me when I purchased a new bow a few months ago. The product was as good as any other and I had my mind made up to buy one until I heard this. I was worried about future warranty isuues. If this is not true then Bowtech is being fed a raw deal and I missed an opportunity on a very nice bow. I try as most to weed through the trash. But wasn't going to spend my hard earned dollar on a possibly obsolete product. If there is an affiliate of Bowtech company reading these forum entries, they might want to set the record straight. I know that they lost out on one sale already because of this info, be it real or not. I am wondering if the sales might be dropping at larger bow dealers because of this information. Just for the record, all of the bow companies make great products, it all boils down to shooter preference and who is willing to sponsor the individual........

RE: Dealer dropped bowtech.
 

Elkcrazy8, these allegations have been brought up and posted on before, and Bowtech Shooter suggested people wanting to know call bowtech headquarters instead of listening to rumors...

RE: Dealer dropped bowtech.
 

Rumors that are normally started by competing shops or reps even... trying to sway people towards their favorite product... happens all the time.

RE: Dealer dropped bowtech.
 

Yep this ground has been trod over time and time again. W/ BowTech ...W/ Mathews before that...and I'm sure with just about everyone else in the Industry at one time or another. Same rumor every time...financial troubles...being sued...just insert bow company's name here [X] :D

I'm not privy to business knowledge about lawsuits against BowTech or not, but I do know that financially they are extremely strong, and growing all the time. They are here to stay and there are some major players in the industry who are not happy about the marketshare they are losing. [:o]

"Sour Grapes" I believe is the term?[>:]

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I think that our govrnment is somehow tied into the bow industry. There is too much backstabbing , moneygrabbing and false statements being made for it not to be. Maybe the next election I will vote for them all. Just like I will for the bow companies. As long as the elk keep dropping and my belly stays full, I dont care whose name is on it. I haven't shot one bow yet that stayed a virgin very long. ..........Bulls, Bugles, Boggs and Black Timber!!!!!!!!!!

RE: Dealer dropped bowtech.
 

Elkcrazy8,

I am sad to hear that you let this influence your decision. Had this situation been occuring at this time I would have told you that should you have any problems with the bow or its components and Bowtech was suddently "out of business" then I would personally pay for any repairs to the bow. In all honesty, that is how much I respect the company for doing what they have in the last few years.

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PABwhntr, I will definately look at the bowtech on my next purchase. I found when looking at all of the bows there were two that definatly stood out for me and my shooting style. The first was a bowtech and then there was the one that I ended up with, The mathews LX. My older bow was a Mathews Z-light and when I got that I had to learn to shoot all over again. At the time it seemed like all of the Mathews bows had a very short brace height and of course I fell into the trap of all of my buddies getting one so I had to get one. After gaining more experience I found that Mathews has very few bows that fit my criteria. The LX is shootable for me for the fact that the string dampening system helps keep the string from slamming foward and hitting my wrist. It shoots like a longer brace heighth bow but gives me good speed. I was able to get a 423 grain 29in. arrow to fly at 279fps. Good for shooting in the HC class and also for hunting. I was able to get a two bladed cut on inpact broadhead to group very well. I really dont care who's name is on the bow, as long as it fits the bill........