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For hunting I am of the thought that all I really need is something for dampening effect, like a Sims X-coil variation or perhaps a small Doinker. My reasoning is I carry enough weight on my hunting bow because I am still stubborn and use a 2 pc. quiver. Specifically I'll be using the Octane and with the magnetic hood, its plenty heavy not adding in the weight of carrying 4-5 arrows. Thoughts?

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I have found one stabilizer that I truly feel works best for me- I've had it on 15 or more bows and every single time I put it on the bow it gets quieter, has less vibe, and is a bit more timid than with whatever stabilizer was on it before.

Sorbotek-

Unfortunately they have been out of production for years- Luckily I found one that I had originally bought from Pat after Sorbotek went out of business, and someone bought up the old stock and had them re-dipped (poorly) . Someone Pat knows or something. I wish I had bought more. (Pat you still have any? :D)

I've been shooting that Simms S coil thing that has one of the better quality "modules" on it too. Works OK, but then I remebered I had the Sorbotek! Again, on both the AM35 and Admiral, the bows quieted down noticably and had even less recoil. The Am35 showed more improvement than the Admiral, but it was noticeable on both.

I wish I could find another couple of those things- especially the original ones that were anodized black.

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Coug, I use the mini s-coil and it works just fine for me. Actually, for hunting, I really don't feel the need for a stab other than to help keep my sights out of the dirt when laying my bow down. I have shot with, and without a stab and can take it either way. I do completely understand the weight concept you are talking about. I try to keep everything as light as possible for the most part.

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I don't use stabilizers myself. I have a string suppressor on my bows and that seems to make them quiet enough for me.

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I have used many stabilizer over the years. But I keep returning to the simms enhancer. It flat works. Short but takes vibration and balances my bow well.

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try the limbsaver x-press. needed a lighter one for my girlfriends bow. i kinda want one now

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I feel about the same on this one. If its not 8"or longer I really dont even feel the need for a stabilizer usually. The deer doesnt care if I can feel handshock...

If you are looking for one though that will help and is a cheepie, id go for the s-coil though.
Derek

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I guess I fall on the other side of the fence from the majority. I prefer a little longer stab on my hunting rig. My current hunting setup (Trykon XL) has a 11.5" Doinker Carbon Elite on it.

I have hunted from treestands, blinds, crawled through the brush on my hands and knees, and done plenty of stalking with this setup. My personal feeling is that my stabilizer has never hung up in anything that wouldn't have otherwise caught on something else. When it comes to shooting, having the longer stab provides that extra stabilization for a little bit better accuracy.

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I agree with 98,I prefer having my bow balanced out and being able to get the weight out front of the bow is crucial for me to shoot well with it.

The Fuse Axium 10" is a great hunting stab.It is light weight and what little weight it has is on the end,works great for me.Before that I used a 6" vibracheck with a 3" doinker on the end.It was heavy but the combo worked awesome.

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While I do believe a String Suppressor does more for the $$ than a Stabilizer, I like the weight out front like TFOX mentioned.

Some of my favorites are:
1. Octane
2. Multi-Rod Doinker
3. B Stinger

Dan

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I also prefer a longer stabilizer for the reasons stated above. I put very little emphasis on shock absorption for stabilizers. I know there are plenty out there that our effective at, I'm just not that overly sensitive to it, and would rather have the added length for stabilization;) About 10+" is good for me. I'm currently shooting an Xtreme stab with adjustable screw in weights. It's 12" with all of the weights, but I'm shooting only 2 of the 4.

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I love my s coil and would not trade it in for anything

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Yeah, and being that you make them, we should take YOUR word for it!!! [:@]

J/K'ing Dan, I actually like a cheap Eastman on my bows, it's better than the S-Coil, as far as I'm concerned, and for the money, it actually does stabilize halfway decent.

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Doug, I think any String Suppressor gives you the most bang for your $$ in a bow accessory, but..................................

I am partial to the MeanV[8D]

Dan

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Dan,
When I graduate to a bow I can put a MEANV String Suppressor on, you'll be one of the first to know!!!! :D

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Until you do, take a look at the Fuse Sealthshot. I put one on my MEANV challenged Hoyt (no back stab hole) an have been very impressed. I like it much better than the STS front mount I had.

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Due to demand I am coming out with model of the MeanV to retrofit the stock suppressor on the Hoyts, and also a model to replace the the hollowCarbon rod suppressor on the BowTechs. They should available soon.

Dan

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For me the worst investment I ever made in archery is probably the 6" overdraw, fuzzy finger arrow holder, and the meanv suppressor. Thats just me. I know a lot of people raves about them. They do take out a little string buzz. But they do rob you arrow of some velocity and really worthless.

Buy a good stabilzer.

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Really? I don't currently own a bow that has one(string suppressor) on it, but am thinking of adding one. Doesn't the twin suppressors near the cam/wheel on Mathews bows do the exact same thing, stop or slow the string down? They have had them now for a few years and I have never heard anyone say anything negative. Never owned a Mathews bow so I don't have any experience with any type of suppressor.

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It depends where you place them. More towards the middle, I find it can slow an arrow down up to 10fps. More towards the cam, and little to no difference. I have had 2 people argue me and I break out the chrony and now all the sudden their suppressors are not as attractive anymore. I am sure I will get rotten tomatos thrown at me on this one. But I enjoy them.:D

I know Dave on here did some tests too and found something simular. Placement was key. He used an adjustable STS. The STS works a tad better as its tunable.

But it makes sense why it slows it down. You have a string coming to an abrupt stop. Where is that energy going? Its being wasted. A string will travel 3" or more past where it is at rest if you look at any high speed video. That extra 3" is exerting force on that arrow. Maybe not the whole 3", but the string keeps exerting force on the arrow until it leaves the string. A suppressor can short stop that. I also believe thats why the heavier arrow wastes less energy from a bow.

I think that is why the bowtech suppessors don't have as much an effect. They let string go little past. But stops the high frequency buzz.

This is just my tests. Since the two suppessors are near the cams on teh mathews, I can't see them causing issues.

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What else wouldI expect? BC running my product down! Imagine that;)There's always one out of a thousand[8D]

BC there are 1,000's that would argue with you. I don't have to defend my product it stands on it's own merits.

You really are a Class act!:eek:

Wish we were closer I'd Love to meet.[8D]

Dan

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I am just reporting my results. I am in your area sometimes. I wouldn't mind to stop by. Its just physics Dan. Can't argue with it. Well, at least you can't.[8D]

This is nothing new. I PM'd you twice about it, and got the old, "never heard of anything". Since then, I found several that has.

Dan, thought you was using the ITI button. No peeking.:D

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I'm sure all the R&D departments at the Bow manufacturers don't mind slowing their bows down:eek:because most of them now come out with OEM String suppressors.

All the testing I've done I've never seen a bow lose speed from adding a string suppressor, and over 99% have seen the same results. I know anything is possible, but the feedback I get from selling thousands of MeanV's and STS's report maybe a hand full of bad reviews.

I'm sure the majority does Not have a clue what they are talking about though[8D]

Dan

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Let me know when you get some test models done for the hoyts and ill come pick one up to try out from ya!!!;) My protec could use a little taming down.

Derek

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Some of the suppressors like bowtech is pretty smart.

Dan, most do what people want. Your suppressor no different. They stop that string buzz. Most people don't own a chronograph. I bet over 80% of your customers do not. So they are happy, they got rid of the string buzz, and you are happy.

You shouldn't be all glum, your making money off these folks and they are happy. Cheer up, ain't you supposed to be turkey hunting now?

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Derek, Does your Protech have the 5/16" rear rod?

What color? The finish is all I like getting some ready to go. I'm getting Carbon fiber finish as well as some APG. I can add other colors as needed. I have fitted a couple of Hoyts for guys and feedback has been good. Several have contacted me unhappy with the Stealth shot compared to the MeanV they had on a previous bow.

You have to make what the customers want, hence the New models about to be introduced.

Dan

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who notices 10 fps when the arrows already going 300????
somepeople are obsessed with their rigs speed for no reason most of the time. Making your bow feel/shoot good is far more important than any amount of speed

i dont know one person that canconsistantly notice 5-10 fps difference in speed.... someone might say the bow feels faster but thats a 50-50 shot....sometimes whats percieved isnt the reality.

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As for string suppressor devices check out this link to a thread started by me, so far overwhelmingly in favor of. Not discounting any responses here, just more included:

http://www.archerytalk.com/vb/showthread.php?t=892255

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Sounds like you need to buy some.:D

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When I placed an STS string suppressor on my Xtec,I saw a 3 fps increase in speed and I did nothing but place it on the bow as it should be.I don't mess around wiith a bow to gain 3-4 fps,it just happened.

Never had or used a meanv.

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Now it could be me, but if what you are saying is correct, the 82nd and Katera, and Alphamax's will have have better than advertised speeds if people just get rid of those damned String suppressors systems that they all have. I'll use Hoyt, because they seem to always be the closest to their advertised IBO, but are you saying I could get better than the advertised IBO by ridding the bow of the STS that is on it????

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I can't say it happens on all bows or setups. But I do know it happened to me. And I have witness's on this page. I do need to go back and try it again and get to the bottom of it.

I feel the difference is the design of the "stopper" on the bowtechs. I am not familiar with hoyts design. Seems like hoyt lets there be some string movement past static position.

It wasn't a huge deal on my liberty (which is why I bought the meanV), I went from 260 to 254. I have sold that bow.

But what was shocking was it dropped my commander from 275 to lower 260's. Also added back weight and got my bow out of balance. I talked to Dave on here position his STS real low and he got a speed increase.

So started investigating this. And found two other peoples bows dropped in speed also. Theirs were like the liberty, only losing a few fps.

I admit, I need to revisit it. The commander is already dead quiet. I need to experiement with distance from the string, and position. But the now the meanv just sits in my archery box. I tried selling on ebay with no luck and on here.

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Well, your an experienced shooter. Does this make sense to you on how this can happen? I mean you got a string that has a fixed amount of kinetic energy. And stopping it abrubtly is going to increase? Your transfering that energy to the arrow. Many factors here with friction of the air, wieght of the string, etc. causing you loss of energy.

One factor could be tight nock fit that compounders use. Us trad shooters sand down our nocks so loose, you can tap a string and the arrow will fall off. I guess the abrupt stop of a suppressor could offset that nock snap. I don't know, just thinking outloud.

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I personally feel the added increase is just a sling shot affect.The string hits the stop with the nock still on the string and it comes to an abrubt stop and the nock is snapped forward.

I personally can't understand how anyone can see huge increases in either direction with one and I really don't concern myself with the speed with it.

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I need to try this whole string suprressor thing. I may just have to rob one off of an AM and test the before and after speeds sometime this week. Not trying to prove you wrong BC, it just brings up an interesting thought thats all.

I can actually see the speed increase in theory. I think the determining factor could be the nock style. If the string is exceeding the static position of the bow,and the nock is clipped tight, it may cause it to stay on the string long enough for it to actually loose a little KE, b/c once the string is past static, it is slowing down. It is still in forward motion, but is not being pushed anymore, and inertia is letting the string proceed forward, but it is technically slowing down. If you stopped it at or right after the static position the arrow would not be in contact with the string after the string stopped pushing forward. Just a thought, maybe crazy, but just a thought...

I do a know a guy who had bad results with a string stop. He put a string tamer on his X6 and the results werent great. Before applying it he was tuned well, and thru paper tore very close to perfect(not saying paper is know all or anything, that was just something to go by). after he put it on he was getting bad arrow kick (visible to the eye) and was seeing bad tears. Took it off, and there was no problem. He moved it all around and tried all kinds of tricks to get it to work but nothing did. He may have just had a bad arrow combo for the string stop or something, but it did not tune well with the ST. Just his experience with it. I got one and replaced my Generals factory one the same day and my results were great. No issues what so ever. The X6 just wouldnt do it for some reason that day...

Derek

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IMO,This is on the money and here is a video showing when the arrow is released from the string.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYnJufwwFDk

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You might be right. I bet an easy way to tell is to sand down a nock until loose fit and see the effects.

I am not ate up with speed, but I wouldn't mind knowing.

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In light of what was being said here yesterday I checked it out last night. I shot some arrows through the chrono with the string suppressor in place and with it off to the side. Same speeds on all arrows shot. No increase, no decrease. The arrow spines a bit weak for the bow at its' current setting but I don't see where that would make a difference. This particular arrow is very heavyso I am going to try this with a lighter arrow and see what happens also. I am also going to try it on some other bows with different DW's too.

I really didn't expect to see much speed difference so I wasn't really surprised. There was a difference in string noise, less with the suppressor, but, to be real honest, the bow(s) I have them on are pretty quiet anyway.

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Send it too me, I'll send you a MO for the shipping, because I'm seriously looking at an Alphamax or a Katera this summer or fall.

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Bruce,
That's been my finding on all the bows I have shot through a chrono, and there have been many. I always tell guys that picking up speed won't happen unless they plan on taking off string silencers, etc., and then Not to expect over 2 or 3 fps.

Adding speed is not the reason to use a String Suppressor, and they have never been marketed that way by me. On the other hand I am convinced that any change in speed positive or negative will be very slight 99.9% of the time.

They reduce vibration, noise (without the added weight of silencers), and give a bundled up hunter peace of mind knowing his string will not whack his hunting jacket at the moment of truth. I still firmly believe String Suppressors are the best bang for your $$ in bow accessories regardless of which brand you use.

I've never claimed to have the best, but I do strive to improve and this year came out with the MeanVMaximum model. It's 7075 alloy, and machining tolerances are at the highest level possible. The optional finishes are unequaled by any other suppressor on the market. I was the first to offer camo and still lead in that dept.;)

Dan