Agree muzzy and that is one of the drills I preach but you have a slight typo,let down WITHOUT firing a shot.

I have been successful with heavier bows. I have some really old bows that I found at my grandma's house. Great for starting out. Anyway, I shot a deer at 40 yards with one of those at 80# and I have no idea what the let-off was. I know that my 82nd is overkill, but I like it that way and can confidently hit a 9" vital out to 60 yards. I actually don't get too excited. I blame Grand Theft Auto for desensitizing me.

I am not really speaking of higher poundage but more about aggresive cam styles that take away the ability to relax in those intense situations.


Maybe it is just me but I can't do them.[&:]

I'll be honest. That is super hard to pull back in the cold.

Do yourself a favor.Drop 5#'s of draw weight and put yourself through some rigorous shooting drills and see if you don't see a drastic difference.

That should be enough to tame the draw cycle down just enough to make a huge difference.

If I am wrong,what have you lost,absolutely nothing but if I am right,look at what you gain.

I just did it. 68#. But this is our little secret. wouldn't want anyone thinking that I wused out. I'll give it 1000 shots at 68# and let yo know how it goes.

pm me if you would like.


I have been there and have done the same thing.

Funny,when we had our little get together at H&H,Germ pulled out his Elite at 72#'s and we were playing around,when we got to shooting a little more serious and I started ODD situational shooting,he put the Elite up and brought out his Ross and Germ is a very stout individual.He just couldn't shoot it with the same accuracy as he could the more moderate Ross.

I completely agree TFOX. Switching from 70# bows to 60 made a very noticeable difference in my shooting. Not only in Hunting but targets also. I down seem to get fatigued as easily as before when shooting for longer times. I feel that i can make good shots, for a longer duration. I always figured " if i can pull 70#'s im going to because #1 im pretty huge lol! (TFOX canvouch for that)#2 the whole speed/KE thing. Now that ive switched to 60# i will never go back, i promise. I probably will actually drop even more poundage b/c the bows nowadays are plenty fast. I honestly dont believe I would have had the ability to make a good shot on the buck i killed a couple weeks ago b/c i had to hold FOREVER!!! It was 23* and any more weight, i dont think i wouldhave been able to make a solid shot. BlackStick, I dontblame you for shooting the 82nd like you do. But the next bow you get, i urge you to try a 50-60# limb. I really think you would agree that it is betteroverall, just like said above. Imgetting 290fps out of a 400ish gr. axis, and 320 out of my target setup. Fast enough right? Derek

I believe we should shoot the most we can comfortably shoot but first we must understand what comfortably is.[8D]

After meeting drock,I think he is being really conservative at 60#

I'll have to see what TVA does for my 82nd. I doubt that it could get 320 fps at 60# with 308 grain arrows right now if I am only getting 335 fps with 369.5 grain arrows at 73#. I was just about to stick the speed tapes on my HHA sight. They sent me some special ones because the ones that come with the sight are not fast enough for my 82nd. I'm a little disappointed about loosing the speed, but I know that being super accurate is way cooler. I guess that I really wanted both 335 fps and a 300 60x on spots. My shop pros joke with me saying that if I practice enough, I'll be the first to win FITA with an 82nd.

Anyway, I'll give it a 1000 shots, which I think is very generous. Plenty of time until hunting season now.

Derek, I am not getting 50-60#. Sorry man, but I'll get the 60-70# and leave it low. You can get them down to 57# anyway, which is pretty low for me. I'm no giant, but my back and shoulders are pretty huge.