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new arrows? need help
im needing some new arrows for my 60# fred bear lights out with a 28 inch draw. i currently have redhead carbon supreme arrows. they also say 250 on it. what does that mean? here is a pic of the arrows i have now
![]() i would also like to try out the blazer vanes. i have a whisker biscuit rest. are blazer vanes good? another thing. i am planning on buying lumenoks for the new arrows i get..........so can you give me suggestions on arrows??????? |
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They don't make RH Supremes anymore... they are supreme lights now.
you can get them with blazers. The ones you have look in OK shape... maybe consider getting them refletched? A Lumenock for a Super nock or the lumenock standard lighted arrow nock will work in the arrows you have now. |
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ORIGINAL: SwampCollie They don't make RH Supremes anymore... they are supreme lights now. you can get them with blazers. The ones you have look in OK shape... maybe consider getting them refletched? A Lumenock for a Super nock or the lumenock standard lighted arrow nock will work in the arrows you have now. what does the 250 mean? can i buy kits to refletch my arrows? are these arrows any good? http://www.amazon.com/12-Gold-Trophy...133&sr=8-6 |
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If you need some good help, and in need of some arrows, and a different rest, I like the Trophy Taker Pronghorn. I recommend Olde English Outfitters at Tipp City OH. and ask for Ken. He works on Mon., Tues.,and Wed.
Olde English Outfitters 480 East Ginghamsburg Road Tipp City, Ohio 45371 Phone: (937) 667-3315 Store Hours Mon. 11-8 Tue. 11-6 Wed. 11-6 Thur. 11-8 Fri. 11-6 Sat. 9-5 Closed Sunday |
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The 250 is how carbon express labels their arrows for spine. The 250's spine rating is .390.
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ORIGINAL: mossbergman11/OH ok well i have 6 arrows left. 3 with broadheads and 3 with field tips. the ones with field tips, the vanes are completely ripping off. could this be from my whisker biscuit? what does the 250 mean? can i buy kits to refletch my arrows? |
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ORIGINAL: Up A Tree If you need some good help, and in need of some arrows, and a different rest, I like the Trophy Taker Pronghorn. I recommend Olde English Outfitters at Tipp City OH. and ask for Ken. He works on Mon., Tues.,and Wed. [align=center]Olde English Outfitters 480 East Ginghamsburg Road Tipp City, Ohio 45371 Phone: (937) 667-3315 [/align] [align=center]Store Hours Mon. 11-8 Tue. 11-6 Wed. 11-6 Thur. 11-8 Fri. 11-6 Sat. 9-5 Closed Sunday[/align] thanks man i might look into that |
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ORIGINAL: SwampCollie ORIGINAL: mossbergman11/OH ok well i have 6 arrows left. 3 with broadheads and 3 with field tips. the ones with field tips, the vanes are completely ripping off. could this be from my whisker biscuit? what does the 250 mean? can i buy kits to refletch my arrows? i will look up some more info on those arrows |
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here is another link to a site about the arrows
http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=424117 will you look on this website here and reccommend anything? http://www.huntersfriend.com/2007-Carbon-Arrows/carbon-arrows-main-list.htm (what do the numbers mean after availability mean?) |
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Of those on the list, I liked the Carbon Force Black Mamba and the Carbon Force Predator. Both have a consistency of ±.003, which is twice as consistent as the Gold Tips you found on Amazon.com. For a similar price, you can get Carbon Xpress Maximas, which are the same consistency as the Carbon Forces I recommended. I think you should consider Carbon Xpress in addition to these. The only advantage you get out of the ones on Amazon is the price. You cannot buy a dozen new complete arrows at a pro shop for that price.
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what about the beemans? i am probably going to go to bass pro and look at arrows becasuei bought my bow there and they were helpful.
can i get any arrows for my lights out? what do you think of the easton epics? (sorry about ALL the questions i jsut want to make a good choice in buying these) |
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The Beman ICS Hunters are good, but you get a lot more feature with the CX Maximas. The Easton Epics are also good, but I still like the CX Maximas better and they are just about the same price.
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No you can't get just any arrow. You have to match the spine to the specs you are shooting. So here I will give you an example: This is the link to the Gold Tip spine chart (http://www.huntersfriend.com/arrowhelp/gold-tip-arrow-spine-chart.htm), one you open the page you see several different charts, so say you are using a 100gr Field Points and Broadheads, so on that chart you follow the columns. So in your case shooting a 100 gr point at 60# at 28' draw(i am going to guestimate a 29 inch arrow). As you can see gold tip recommends you use a 5575 or 400 spine. Lets try it again with my bow specs -- i have have a 31 inch arrow shooting 68# w/ 100 grain points -- I need 7595 which might be just a tad overspined. On that hunters fiend site you can look at all the different kind of arrows they sell and each brand will have a spine chart where you can look up what they recommend for you. Hope this helped
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Having correctly spined arrows is extremely important.
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ORIGINAL: FSUBIGMAC No you can't get just any arrow. You have to match the spine to the specs you are shooting. So here I will give you an example: This is the link to the Gold Tip spine chart (http://www.huntersfriend.com/arrowhelp/gold-tip-arrow-spine-chart.htm), one you open the page you see several different charts, so say you are using a 100gr Field Points and Broadheads, so on that chart you follow the columns. So in your case shooting a 100 gr point at 60# at 28' draw(i am going to guestimate a 29 inch arrow). As you can see gold tip recommends you use a 5575 or 400 spine. Lets try it again with my bow specs -- i have have a 31 inch arrow shooting 68# w/ 100 grain points -- I need 7595 which might be just a tad overspined. On that hunters fiend site you can look at all the different kind of arrows they sell and each brand will have a spine chart where you can look up what they recommend for you. Hope this helped do they have those charts for every different brand of arrows? and would they have that at bass pro? |
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Yes, usually they put them on every box of arrows. All the charts have the same information to consider (arrow length, and draw weight).
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I went onto bassproshops.com to look for arrows for you.
On the high end: I see that they are selling a dozen CX Maximas with blazers for $129.99, which have a straightness of .0025. Pretty darn good. However, I thought that I would also point out that the CX Maxima 3D Selects are also $129.99, which have a straightness of .001, but you will need to pay them to fletch them, should be $2-$3 per arrow for vanes. Feathers are a little more. Mid range: The Beaman ICS CamoHunters with Blazers are $94.99 a dozen and have a straightness of .003. I would not recommend anything lower than this. |
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I personally shoot Gold Tip XT Hunters -- a decent arrow -- great for hunting. They are relatively cheap for a mid grade arrow -- .003 straightness tolerance. I think i got mine on huntersfriend for $63 fo a dozen unfletched. After I got them wrapped and fletched by my own guy I have about $85 in them.
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Are you sure that that wasn't for 6 and not 12?
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No that was for a dozen man -- bare shaft. I have a guy that Fletches my arrows for me to my desire. I wish I had more money I would buy about 3 more dozen at that price -- 63 on Hun.Friend .... 78elsewhere
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That is a great price, but you do get a lot more with the CX Maximas.
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I'm sure -- actually looking at the Maximas as we speak. But unless you wanna pay my student loan bills the GT's are about as much as I can afford HAHA
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Go nols!
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yeah those beaman ICS camohunters look nice but real expensive. i will try and persuade my parents to let me get them. are there any other arrows that are pretty good but less expensive? becasue i know im going to loose some arrows.
are the beman team realtrees good? thwey are same price as the ICS camo hunters |
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Makes sure whatever arrow you pick says .003 spine or .001 spine tolerance -- you want these because they are straighter arrow. If you really want cheap but a good quality -- Easton Aluminum. There is nothing wrong with aluminum and they would be a lot cheaper to lose. Aluminums are also known for a near perfect spine which means your dozen is going to fly similar.
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However, aluminum arrows bend more easily. I'd stay away from them unless I was going to Vegas.
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The Team realtrees are just as good as the camohunters. They are a little heavier though.
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Cheaper Arrows:
The Gold Tip XT Hunters cost $84.99 with 4" inch vanes. At that price, they are all black. If you want camo shafts, it will cost an extra $5-$10. Better yet, the Beaman ICS Hunters, which are black only cost $79.99 with Blazers. Both of these have the same consistencies as the more expensive camo versions (±.003 straigtness and ±2.0 grains). Personally, I prefer the non camo versions because they weigh less, which means a faster arrow. |
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ORIGINAL: Black Stick Cheaper Arrows: The Gold Tip XT Hunters cost $84.99 with 4" inch vanes. At that price, they are all black. If you want camo shafts, it will cost an extra $5-$10. Better yet, the Beaman ICS Hunters, which are black only cost $79.99 with Blazers. Both of these have the same consistencies as the more expensive camo versions (±.003 straigtness and ±2.0 grains). Personally, I prefer the non camo versions because they weigh less, which means a faster arrow. also what is the advantage to having camo shafts? |
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There is no advantage to having camo shafts. I always use the blacks because they are cheaper, and faster. I cannot tell you exactly how much faster they will be, but I can promise you that they will be faster. I think the rule is 5grains = ±1ps. If you have 28" arrows, and are shooting 60#, you will need 400 spines on the Beman ICS Hunters and CamoHunters. The ICSCamo Hunters weigh 9.1 gpi or 254.8 grains for the shaft alone. The ICS Hunters weigh 8.4 gpi or 235.2 grains for the shaft alone. That is a difference of 19.6 grains or about 4 fps. So, not much faster, but still faster.
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ORIGINAL: Black Stick There is no advantage to having camo shafts. I always use the blacks because they are cheaper, and faster. I cannot tell you exactly how much faster they will be, but I can promise you that they will be faster. I think the rule is 5grains = ±1ps. If you have 28" arrows, and are shooting 60#, you will need 400 spines on the Beman ICS Hunters and CamoHunters. The ICSCamo Hunters weigh 9.1 gpi or 254.8 grains for the shaft alone. The ICS Hunters weigh 8.4 gpi or 235.2 grains for the shaft alone. That is a difference of 19.6 grains or about 4 fps. So, not much faster, but still faster. |
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Exactly.
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ORIGINAL: Black Stick Exactly. |
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one more thing. should i get the 1.5 inch mini blazers or the 2 inch blazer vanes?
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2" gives you more stability, 1.5" weigh less, so you get more speed. You decide what you want.
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well how much more speed do the 1.5 inchers give me?
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I can't tell you exactly, but it's not much.
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1-3 fps max.
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oh ok i will defidentall get the 2 inch blazers
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Smart.
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