What arrow mass will achieve tha maximum momentum?
05-21-2008 | 03:02 PM
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RE: What arrow mass will achieve tha maximum momentum?
ORIGINAL: TFOX
I shoot 58#'s
I shoot 58#'s
Check bigbulls figures on the 82 shooting a 400 versus 500 grain arrow. I don't know him and we livehalf way across the country from each other.
Surprising we got similar results if it's not possible
Dan
05-21-2008 | 03:11 PM
#122
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RE: What arrow mass will achieve tha maximum momentum?
ORIGINAL: MeanV2
You don't shoot the 82 though[8D]
Check bigbulls figures on the 82 shooting a 400 versus 500 grain arrow. I don't know him and we livehalf way across the country from each other.
Surprising we got similar results if it's not possible
Dan
ORIGINAL: TFOX
I shoot 58#'s
I shoot 58#'s
Check bigbulls figures on the 82 shooting a 400 versus 500 grain arrow. I don't know him and we livehalf way across the country from each other.
Surprising we got similar results if it's not possible
Dan
AND,I said THEORY.[8D]
05-21-2008 | 05:59 PM
#124
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RE: What arrow mass will achieve tha maximum momentum?
How did you get arrow up to 2084 grains?
That thing hit the target like a ton of bricks.
I think I will bring it home tomorowand walk it back as far as I can and see what the trajectory is on that thing. I'd probably be aiming at the moon from 60 yards. [8D]
I'm thinking about going to the hardware store and getting some solid aluminum rods to glue inside an arrow and shoot those as well. I'd probably have to take them ot the post office to get them weighed though.
This topic is interesting to say the least.
05-21-2008 | 06:03 PM
#125
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RE: What arrow mass will achieve tha maximum momentum?
That's all I've been saying this whole thread. I know what the norm is. I've seen it hundreds of times.
I just can't understand how some will argue with black & white figures, but I should have expected it
I just can't understand how some will argue with black & white figures, but I should have expected it
Some people just can't accept the numbers right in front of them. Maybe they just like to live in a greyworld.
05-21-2008 | 07:49 PM
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RE: What arrow mass will achieve tha maximum momentum?
I've got a pint jar of thermometer mercury. Have always wondered how it would work pouring a hollow arrow shaft full of the stuff.4,000 grains? If the shaft was only 2/3 of the way full, there would be this "slide hammer" effect when the arrow hit resistance [8D].
I'll be interested to see what the trajectory of 2084 grain arrrow looks like. Was kinda surprised how fast you got it going . . . . . would have expected something under 100 fps.
I'll be interested to see what the trajectory of 2084 grain arrrow looks like. Was kinda surprised how fast you got it going . . . . . would have expected something under 100 fps.
05-22-2008 | 12:01 AM
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RE: What arrow mass will achieve tha maximum momentum?
ORIGINAL: MeanV2
I just can't understand how some will argue with black & white figures, but I should have expected it
I just can't understand how some will argue with black & white figures, but I should have expected it
So yes, you should have expected it. That's how science is supposed to work. Many here seem to be operatiing under the assumption that data is king. Well it might be in some circles, but they certainly wouldn't be scientific circles.
A quick anecdote... I used to love to watch Cosmos. For those of you who aren't old enough to know, it was a PBS program about, surprise surprise, the cosmos and it was hosted by the late dr. Carl Sagan. He once made a statement that always stuck with me. He said that facts are a dime a dozen, in science theory is king.
So MeanV, I hope this helpls you "understand how some will argue with black & white figures".
05-22-2008 | 04:00 AM
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RE: What arrow mass will achieve tha maximum momentum?
ORIGINAL: Sylvan
When observations, i.e. test data, disagree with theory then 1 or the other is wrong. That's obvious. Either the theory that explainsthe phenomenon is flawed or the observation of what happened was flawed.It's said In science that theory is king. Whatthat means in practice is that when observations disagree with accepted theory then skepticism should be aimed first at the observation. Only after independent testers have repeatedly duplicated the observations that go against the theory is the theory questioned.Then old theory is modified and/or new theories are developed to better explain the phenomenon in light of the new data. The new theories go through the process I roughly described before until 1 rises as the best explanation of the phenomenonwe have to go by.
So yes, you should have expected it. That's how science is supposed to work. Many here seem to be operatiing under the assumption that data is king. Well it might be in some circles, but they certainly wouldn't be scientific circles.
A quick anecdote... I used to love to watch Cosmos. For those of you who aren't old enough to know, it was a PBS program about, surprise surprise, the cosmos and it was hosted by the late dr. Carl Sagan. He once made a statement that always stuck with me. He said that facts are a dime a dozen, in science theory is king.
So MeanV, I hope this helpls you "understand how some will argue with black & white figures".
ORIGINAL: MeanV2
I just can't understand how some will argue with black & white figures, but I should have expected it
I just can't understand how some will argue with black & white figures, but I should have expected it
So yes, you should have expected it. That's how science is supposed to work. Many here seem to be operatiing under the assumption that data is king. Well it might be in some circles, but they certainly wouldn't be scientific circles.
A quick anecdote... I used to love to watch Cosmos. For those of you who aren't old enough to know, it was a PBS program about, surprise surprise, the cosmos and it was hosted by the late dr. Carl Sagan. He once made a statement that always stuck with me. He said that facts are a dime a dozen, in science theory is king.
So MeanV, I hope this helpls you "understand how some will argue with black & white figures".
But they ALWAYS do NOT!
Very few absolutes in Archery
Most of the times a heavier arrow will yield more KE, but NOT ALWAYS[8D]Like it or not Sylvan! Your always statement was and still is incorrect.[8D]
It's time to ITI
I'm out of this one!Dan
05-22-2008 | 06:42 AM
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RE: What arrow mass will achieve tha maximum momentum?
ORIGINAL: Sylvan
When observations, i.e. test data, disagree with theory then 1 or the other is wrong. That's obvious. Either the theory that explainsthe phenomenon is flawed or the observation of what happened was flawed.It's said In science that theory is king. Whatthat means in practice is that when observations disagree with accepted theory then skepticism should be aimed first at the observation. Only after independent testers have repeatedly duplicated the observations that go against the theory is the theory questioned.Then old theory is modified and/or new theories are developed to better explain the phenomenon in light of the new data. The new theories go through the process I roughly described before until 1 rises as the best explanation of the phenomenonwe have to go by.
So yes, you should have expected it. That's how science is supposed to work. Many here seem to be operatiing under the assumption that data is king. Well it might be in some circles, but they certainly wouldn't be scientific circles.
A quick anecdote... I used to love to watch Cosmos. For those of you who aren't old enough to know, it was a PBS program about, surprise surprise, the cosmos and it was hosted by the late dr. Carl Sagan. He once made a statement that always stuck with me. He said that facts are a dime a dozen, in science theory is king.
So MeanV, I hope this helpls you "understand how some will argue with black & white figures".
ORIGINAL: MeanV2
I just can't understand how some will argue with black & white figures, but I should have expected it
I just can't understand how some will argue with black & white figures, but I should have expected it
So yes, you should have expected it. That's how science is supposed to work. Many here seem to be operatiing under the assumption that data is king. Well it might be in some circles, but they certainly wouldn't be scientific circles.
A quick anecdote... I used to love to watch Cosmos. For those of you who aren't old enough to know, it was a PBS program about, surprise surprise, the cosmos and it was hosted by the late dr. Carl Sagan. He once made a statement that always stuck with me. He said that facts are a dime a dozen, in science theory is king.
So MeanV, I hope this helpls you "understand how some will argue with black & white figures".
I guarntee you right now, your ability to communicate and spew your arrogance is running over a system I had a part in designing. Not theory, real lab results. The high capacity optics market is extremely competitive, and a company would fold up if it operated on theory or used it as a rule. Hense Corvis and a bunch of other startups that had wonderful theory.