holdin steady
#14
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Jefferson County, Missouri
Posts: 7,684
RE: holdin steady
ORIGINAL: ArrowMike
No, you dontwant to drift over the target. You want to float on the target.
ORIGINAL: xXxrory7xXx
you are supposed to let the pin drift over the target
you are supposed to let the pin drift over the target
#15
RE: holdin steady
ORIGINAL: xXxrory7xXx
well thats what you do, but you pull the release when its drifting over where you want that arrow to go
ORIGINAL: ArrowMike
No, you dontwant to drift over the target. You want to float on the target.
ORIGINAL: xXxrory7xXx
you are supposed to let the pin drift over the target
you are supposed to let the pin drift over the target
Dan
#16
Join Date: Feb 2003
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Posts: 520
RE: holdin steady
First thing is that if you are shooting good groups, really, and good groups for score (because archery isn't exactly benchrest, and some people can shoot good groups, but can never get those groups actually on target) worry, less keep doing what you are doing until something changes.
A few points:
1) While one does float the pin, good archers can hold right on the X no deviation for 10-20 seconds, it's just that they couldn't do that for a whole slew of shots and there is a difference between holding and shooting.
At the PSE school they rigged our bows so that we held a laser dot right in the X when we had the sight on theX, and then they videod all the shooters's target as we said we were holding as steady as we could, and you could see where the laser dot settled.Out of about 43 shooters, with 3 small time pros who weren't that knowledgeable, every shooter held his laser on the x less time than it took to execute the shot routine (we had previously worked out our ideal shot time). The three pros, who could barely spell their names, all had dots on x times that were longer that their shot routine (good), and none of the rest of us did. One pro could hold it about twice as long as required to execute a shot. A lot of us would have sworn on a stack of bibles we we not overbowed, but we were. The reason PSE does this is because nobody admits they are overbowed until they see it proven on video.
2) Mechanical problems like see sawing cams can lead to a feel of not being steady, if modern bows still do that stuff, I am a little out of date on cams.
3)Not having a low torque grip type, or hand placement will make your bow squirrely.
4) Look up Bob Ragsdale's 10 archery laws. One of these is something like decide when you are practicing, and when you are shooting for score. If you are "shooting good groups" while your mind is thinking "why does my bow move all over the place" You are at the very least not separating out when you are practicing on form, and when you are shooting for score. In Golf the difference would at one level when you are at the driving range as opposed to playing a round, though you could break it down even further. When you are playing you never question the game you brought with you.
5) If you are asking this question, you need to read some books and rent some archery technique specific videos, or go to a shooting school. However, if you are really "shooting good groups" you might want to wait a while. Never fix stuff that is working, unless it isn't. Learn to lay off perfecting your equipment and technique if the results you are getting are as good as they need to be. But if they aren't don't tell us, and most importantly yourself, that the results are good. As Bob says you are either hitting what you aim at or you aren't.
A few points:
1) While one does float the pin, good archers can hold right on the X no deviation for 10-20 seconds, it's just that they couldn't do that for a whole slew of shots and there is a difference between holding and shooting.
At the PSE school they rigged our bows so that we held a laser dot right in the X when we had the sight on theX, and then they videod all the shooters's target as we said we were holding as steady as we could, and you could see where the laser dot settled.Out of about 43 shooters, with 3 small time pros who weren't that knowledgeable, every shooter held his laser on the x less time than it took to execute the shot routine (we had previously worked out our ideal shot time). The three pros, who could barely spell their names, all had dots on x times that were longer that their shot routine (good), and none of the rest of us did. One pro could hold it about twice as long as required to execute a shot. A lot of us would have sworn on a stack of bibles we we not overbowed, but we were. The reason PSE does this is because nobody admits they are overbowed until they see it proven on video.
2) Mechanical problems like see sawing cams can lead to a feel of not being steady, if modern bows still do that stuff, I am a little out of date on cams.
3)Not having a low torque grip type, or hand placement will make your bow squirrely.
4) Look up Bob Ragsdale's 10 archery laws. One of these is something like decide when you are practicing, and when you are shooting for score. If you are "shooting good groups" while your mind is thinking "why does my bow move all over the place" You are at the very least not separating out when you are practicing on form, and when you are shooting for score. In Golf the difference would at one level when you are at the driving range as opposed to playing a round, though you could break it down even further. When you are playing you never question the game you brought with you.
5) If you are asking this question, you need to read some books and rent some archery technique specific videos, or go to a shooting school. However, if you are really "shooting good groups" you might want to wait a while. Never fix stuff that is working, unless it isn't. Learn to lay off perfecting your equipment and technique if the results you are getting are as good as they need to be. But if they aren't don't tell us, and most importantly yourself, that the results are good. As Bob says you are either hitting what you aim at or you aren't.