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how is my follow through? click the link for the video.

http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa101/millerhunter13/?action=view&current=000_0040.flv

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Well, it looks good; but also looks like it is happening somewhat after the fact. Are you keeping the pin on the target as the arrow is flying through the air? If you do thatwhile keeping an open grip, things will go well.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ru4w10o7dPw

You should concentrate on your release follow through and not your bow hand follow through, when you learn to pull through correctly, the bow arm will then have its own follow through and you will never have to worry about dropping your arm. You can tell when someone is commanding a trigger when their release stays in the same spot after the shot. Watchthe relase arms in this video to get an idea. Listen to what Eric says about practice, real practice is on one thing at a time with no target to look for results at, best bet look at what he's doing, shootingclose to an empty bale, eyes closed and feel the shots.
Keep up the good work!

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^ ok i see what your saying, but how does that effect the follow through? And there using different releases dosnt that make it different?

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Great video, agree 100 percent with everything he said.

Follow through isn't really letting the bow roll out of your hand after the shot. As you could see he didn't' do that, and I don't do it either. Follow through is letting the bow do what it wants until the shot is over. You need to keep aiming right through the shot. If you do this you can normally see your arrow go all the way to the target every time. Guys that drop their arm to see where the arrow hits have probably never executed a really good shot before because if you do you can see it hit the target anyway. I can actually do the same thing with a 22 rifle, especially with subsonic ammo.

Do what this guys says, practice different parts of your shot sequence until you don't need to think about them anymore. After a while the shot just sort of happens, all you do is concentrate on aiming and your subconscious takes over. A good analogy is if I were to tell you to go over to a table and pick up a pencil. When you did it did you think about every step you took to get there and planned how you would move your arm to the table and grasp the pencil? No you didn't, you looked at the pencil walked over and picked it up without thinking about it. But only because you have had years of practice doing it. When you were little you did have to think of every step you took because you didn't know what you were doing yet.

The main thing to remember is staying relaxed through out the whole shot sequence.

Paul

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Miller it doesn't matter what release you use -fingers,hinge, trigger, caliper (like yours) its how you use it. IMO the release is the single biggest factor in archery, long before tuning or anything else.
Look up Michael Braden, he shootsa caliper.
The way it affects follow through is you are not thinking about it or anything else for that matter, your total concentration is on the spot only, not your pin, not your follow through nothing, except that spot. Your follow through will just happen. it could be the bow going forward slightlywith no tipping or it could be pushed to the side slightly or any other way, just don't try to controll it.at the shot itcould evenbe somewhat exsplosive depending on the method you end up using to have the release trigger example; push-pull or pull.
Look up Larry Wise or George Ryals online for some good reading or even Bernie Pellirite.

A way ofexplaining the follow through would be if you were toto stand in front of your target, eyes closedand go through your shot process to full drawbut only draw with your wrist, no hand on your release and if someone were to touch off your trigger without you knowing, your release arm would have follow through. with time and practice it would be less but you would "FEEL" what it feels like;)

a good release to look at would be the Carter line http://www.carterenterprises.com/products/backstrap.htm
the evolution , back strap, revolution. if you can try one of these out you will have a better idea of what pulling through your shot and follow throughfeels like.

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ok i see what ur sayin now.

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here is another video, tell me what i need to work on. i am not sure if i doing what you guys were trying to tell me.

http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa101/millerhunter13/?action=view&current=100_0169.flv

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Although I agree with backtension that the style release doesn't matter,it isn't as easy to use awrist release with bt for some as it is for others,PLUS,untill you have experienced a true bt release,it is real hard for some to know what it is supposed to feel like.


Not knowing what a tru bt shot is supposed to be is probably why so many struggle with a true bt release,they really aren't executing a true bt shot with the other style releases,if they were,the switch shouldn't be that hard,but it is for most.


I have been shooting a true bt all year and had no issues with getting trapped under the spot(target panick) but today I was using mywrist releaseand I was getting stuck again.

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i havnt had target panick before with my wrist strap release.

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And I hope you never do,it is definately no fun.

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^ TFOX does the new video look any better, to what they were trying to help me do???

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Ok i know i am supposed to keep my pin on the target the whole time, but my grip is so loose that when i pull my release trigger my bow just starts to fall in my hand. what am i doing wrong here???? Please help!!!!!

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Nothing. That's how its supposed to be. That's why most shooters use some sort of sling around their bow wrist - to keep it from hitting the ground - although in my case, its mostly psychological. I just need to know it won't hit the ground.

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ok, so i know that i am doing that right, should my release move back like in the video??? because if so i am NOW doing it right, but i will post another video later if i have time (my nephews birhtday is today) and i will let you guys tell me if its alright.

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Yes - at the shot, the release should come back past your ear and the bow should fall away somewhat. The key here is that you really shouldn't be aware of these things at all - and particularly should not be doing anything consciously to make them happen. Just put the pin on the spot where you want the arrow to hit, squeeze the release and let bow fire the arrowas mostly a surprise - try to continue to keep the pin on the spot as the arrow is flying through the air.

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Miller sorry it took soo long to get back, the fish were biting:D
Ok its hard to explain this online but I'll try my best.This is after you learn how to shoot any release properly and why all your practice ofthe release should be with your eyes closed.first off I have to disagree on the holding the pin on the spot, no offense roscoe,after you set the pin on the spot the first time you should then forget about it, sounds crazy I know but thats how it works! Ever see someone shooting a plain lense w/ no dot/pin or a Tru spot lense also no dot or a brass ring? It helps by not chasing that pin around and trying to hold it steady, you won't. Some top archers actually prefer a large "float" while others like a smaller float. Float is the movement of the pin, after you use it to get on target you then just stare at your spot till the shot is finished. My wife likes a large float, says her pin often makes it to the 4 on a blue face target BUT she still shoots mid 50 x's on that target. If a shooter looses focus on the spot and notices something else like their pin, they usually let down.

Ok here what you should try so you feel a surprise release.

Release setup
[ol][*]shorten release so trigger finger is able to point straight down when put to trigger, if it feels to short its probably perfect.[*]learn to preload trigger, this means see how much tension you can get away with (on atarget) before your trigger goes off, when you feel you know how much you can put onto it, learnto preload without making itgo off and keep your finger there! DON'T SHOOT YET read target setup then firstshot.[/ol]

Target setup
[ol][*]set target up so you are shooting into it level[*]stand just far enough for your arrow to clear the bow into target 4-5 feet[/ol]

First Shot
[ol][*]eyes closed(entire time)come to full draw[*]preload trigger[*]keephand relaxed with pressure (preload) on trigger and move your elbow back, like you are still trying to draw your bow back farther than thedrawstop (pull threw).[*]let it happen.[/ol]
video it and lets go from there

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I think i have it down, but i dont have time to video it just yet, maybe tonite, if not i will have it done but tommorow.

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Cut some off your whiskers, make them about the size of a half dollar. They will almost make a round ball on your string and you'll like that better.

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^^^^What will that do???

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i will post a video in the morning, (its 8:40 PM for me) but if i am only hunting is the back tension really important, cause i dont think i have really ever seen any bowhunters on TV shoot like that.

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The longer whiskers make more noise.

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And they just look bad.;)

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Bowhunters on TV are just like us, normal people always learning. I hear a lot of people in leagues say they are hunters not atarget shooter, butwe all owe the game we are after every bit of respect there is, a bad shot on an animal should be frowned upon way more than a bad shot on a target.
Miller all releases are meant to be shot with proper backtension, just 95+% off the people using releases don't/haven't learned the proper way, sure some people will shoot good commanding the release but if you were to find the most proficiant archers out there, chance are they are not. I have seen people spend hours on a range doing what they think is practice, when really it is just shooting.

Remember the only way you will outfind what worksbest for you, is to give each way an honest chance and then stick with the one that yields the best results.

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I just checked back on this thread and backtension is giving some good advice,However,it would be nice to see a front view as well as the back view.

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i used a bt enough to where i got the feel for back tension but i can still shoot better with my caliper release now. the cool thing about it though is that im learning how to incorporate bt into my trigger release. its like a robotic process. instead of using my finger so much to trip the release i am using bt and pulling through the shot. it really helps.
miller, just relax, let everything do what it wants. you dont have to stand there in perfect form after you shoot, or roll you bow. just let everything happen as if it were a suprise.

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This was my experience as well. I shot a pure back tension release enough to appreciate its value. Also enough to get a fat lip and red nose [8D]. But I have carried its technique over into my regular Tru Ball strap hunting release with good results. I am going to have disagree with you, Backtension, however; I don't think most regular trigger releases are intended to be fired with back tension.

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There are definately some cheaper releases that are next to impossible to shoot with bt,way too much trigger travel and I believe the glove style releases are not conducive to bt.

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I will post a video in a little bit, thanks for all the advice guys, hopefully i will be doing it right soon.

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Ok here is the video, at first is it hard to shoot acurately?? O and Tfox do you want another video but with the camera facing my back like the other videos?



http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa101/millerhunter13/?action=view&current=100_0236.flv

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Looks pretty good, Millerhunter. Also does not look like you are over-bowed like many bowhunters.

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thanks roskoe, and what do ya mean by over bowed? like DL, DW.

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Miller excellent work so far!!! As for being accurate, it will come. Thats why I stress to keep your eyes closed while doing this, results will come but not instantaneously. What you are doing is actual practice! I would suggest doing this 25-30 times a day with your EYES CLOSED for a couple weeks at the least, the biggest part of being moreproficient is the COMMITTMENT to learning it, ifpeople really want to get betterthey'll put in the time PRACTICING not shooting, if they are not, they will be shooting groups in as little as a few hours looking for the instant result. The others are correct, even just a pic from front, back and even above, usually a mirror on the ceiling when avail will help see your form better.
If you are not shooting in a league right now and stick to eyes closed there are some aiming practices you can do after some time.

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alright i will PRACTICE for a few weeks.

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what are the aiming practices?

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practice your release first lol:D

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yeah that is what i though you would say:D

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Overbowed means you are shooting a draw weight that, under optimum conditions, you can get it back with maximum effort. When you are cold, in a treestand in December, and the buck of your dreams comes strolling by; you either can't get the bow drawn back or start shaking uncontrollably at full draw. I can tell by the smooth manner in which you are drawing the bow that you are likely not overbowed. :)

I need to do what others have suggested here -spend the next month or so shooting a big target about six feet away with eyes closed; concentrating on getting a consistent clean surprise release every time. Does wonders for shooting form. Often called "Blind Bale" shooting. Therapy for form nasties.

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yeah i am trying, but about 30 minutes ago, i was suprised by the release alittle to surprised and somthing wierd happend my bow jumpeddifferently and my arrow is now nockless, cause it hit the pavement.and my other arrow has some fletching messed up so now i am shooting just one arrow. (i only have three arrows right now.i am poor:D)

P.S cause of where i live (aka not country) i am little nervious about shooting with my eyes closed.