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PABowhntr, Thanks for the info. regarding both bows I've read lots of your postings and really respect your opinion. Siskyou, Thanks for the info. regarding Hoyt's strings, I was hoping they would be better than what I read about Mathews strings, it sounds like I'll get some use out of the original string before I have to switch or upgrade to a Winners Choice. I've narrowed my choice to these 2 bows and will just have to shoot them both a few times before buying. I'm sure that the Ultratec is a wonderful bow but I'm really looking for something shorter and lighter when walking through the under brush along creek bottoms in Texas while hunting hogs. I'm leaning more to the Cybertec right now but that may change after I shoot them both. My draw length is 30.5 inches and think that the slightly longer ATA length of the Cybertec will help prevent nock pinch and I don't think that the 5/8 inch difference in brace height will make a really big difference. Thanks again everyone.