Is something wrong with my trykon xl "speed wise"
09-25-2007 | 05:40 AM
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RE: Is something wrong with my trykon xl "speed wise"
Mad....looking over the posts on this thread I see and inconsistency in terminology that you are using and I just want to verify that it is just that, an error in terminology and not an error in equipment selection.
When you say you are shooting a 400g Easton Epic arrow, is that to say you have actually weighed the arrow and it comes in at 400gr or are you shooting Easton Epic 400s. There is a HUGE difference between the two.
If you are shooting Epic 400s with a 32" draw, that would put your arrow length somewhere around 31 to 31 1/2" in length. This arrow would be severely underspined for your rig and probably approaching the danger zone of blowing the arrow up on launch.
One more point. Easton rates their carbon arrows by spine (inches of deflection when a weight is hung from the center of the arrow with the arrow supported a specified distance apart...I believe this is 28"). Spine essentially gives you the stiffness of the arrow. Lower spine numbers mean lower deflection and a stiffer arrow.
An Epic 400 is a .400 spine arrow
An Epic 300 is a .300 spine arrow (much stiffer) and heavier.
Given the length of your draw, and bow poundage, I would expect that a .300 spine arrow would be about right for your rig.
I certainly don't mean to insult your intelegence, however the nice round numbers like 400gr and 300gr that you have been using seem more like arrow spine numbers than actual arrow weights.
When you say you are shooting a 400g Easton Epic arrow, is that to say you have actually weighed the arrow and it comes in at 400gr or are you shooting Easton Epic 400s. There is a HUGE difference between the two.
If you are shooting Epic 400s with a 32" draw, that would put your arrow length somewhere around 31 to 31 1/2" in length. This arrow would be severely underspined for your rig and probably approaching the danger zone of blowing the arrow up on launch.
One more point. Easton rates their carbon arrows by spine (inches of deflection when a weight is hung from the center of the arrow with the arrow supported a specified distance apart...I believe this is 28"). Spine essentially gives you the stiffness of the arrow. Lower spine numbers mean lower deflection and a stiffer arrow.
An Epic 400 is a .400 spine arrow
An Epic 300 is a .300 spine arrow (much stiffer) and heavier.
Given the length of your draw, and bow poundage, I would expect that a .300 spine arrow would be about right for your rig.
I certainly don't mean to insult your intelegence, however the nice round numbers like 400gr and 300gr that you have been using seem more like arrow spine numbers than actual arrow weights.
09-25-2007 | 08:44 AM
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RE: Is something wrong with my trykon xl "speed wise"
ORIGINAL: 98Redline
Mad....looking over the posts on this thread I see and inconsistency in terminology that you are using and I just want to verify that it is just that, an error in terminology and not an error in equipment selection.
When you say you are shooting a 400g Easton Epic arrow, is that to say you have actually weighed the arrow and it comes in at 400gr or are you shooting Easton Epic 400s. There is a HUGE difference between the two.
If you are shooting Epic 400s with a 32" draw, that would put your arrow length somewhere around 31 to 31 1/2" in length. This arrow would be severely underspined for your rig and probably approaching the danger zone of blowing the arrow up on launch.
One more point. Easton rates their carbon arrows by spine (inches of deflection when a weight is hung from the center of the arrow with the arrow supported a specified distance apart...I believe this is 28"). Spine essentially gives you the stiffness of the arrow. Lower spine numbers mean lower deflection and a stiffer arrow.
An Epic 400 is a .400 spine arrow
An Epic 300 is a .300 spine arrow (much stiffer) and heavier.
Given the length of your draw, and bow poundage, I would expect that a .300 spine arrow would be about right for your rig.
I certainly don't mean to insult your intelegence, however the nice round numbers like 400gr and 300gr that you have been using seem more like arrow spine numbers than actual arrow weights.
Mad....looking over the posts on this thread I see and inconsistency in terminology that you are using and I just want to verify that it is just that, an error in terminology and not an error in equipment selection.
When you say you are shooting a 400g Easton Epic arrow, is that to say you have actually weighed the arrow and it comes in at 400gr or are you shooting Easton Epic 400s. There is a HUGE difference between the two.
If you are shooting Epic 400s with a 32" draw, that would put your arrow length somewhere around 31 to 31 1/2" in length. This arrow would be severely underspined for your rig and probably approaching the danger zone of blowing the arrow up on launch.
One more point. Easton rates their carbon arrows by spine (inches of deflection when a weight is hung from the center of the arrow with the arrow supported a specified distance apart...I believe this is 28"). Spine essentially gives you the stiffness of the arrow. Lower spine numbers mean lower deflection and a stiffer arrow.
An Epic 400 is a .400 spine arrow
An Epic 300 is a .300 spine arrow (much stiffer) and heavier.
Given the length of your draw, and bow poundage, I would expect that a .300 spine arrow would be about right for your rig.
I certainly don't mean to insult your intelegence, however the nice round numbers like 400gr and 300gr that you have been using seem more like arrow spine numbers than actual arrow weights.
GUess we'll see what he says.
09-25-2007 | 08:57 AM
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RE: Is something wrong with my trykon xl "speed wise"
Good call REdline, I was thinking the same thing, but you put it better than I would have. Long draws are a pain in the ass, but it is all worth it for the KE. My FMJs were 585 grains, which is obese, but they really did some damage on deer. 79 pounds of energy is MORE than enough for pretty much any game on the planet.
09-25-2007 | 05:38 PM
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RE: Is something wrong with my trykon xl "speed wise"
wait explain how the easton 400's are heaview than the 300's, i don't get that part
also i am lacking a little bit on bow knowledge but, I do make up for it in shooting
also i am lacking a little bit on bow knowledge but, I do make up for it in shooting
09-25-2007 | 09:07 PM
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RE: Is something wrong with my trykon xl "speed wise"
ORIGINAL: Madmartigan
wait explain how the easton 400's are heaview than the 300's, i don't get that part
also i am lacking a little bit on bow knowledge but, I do make up for it in shooting
wait explain how the easton 400's are heaview than the 300's, i don't get that part
also i am lacking a little bit on bow knowledge but, I do make up for it in shooting
09-26-2007 | 04:25 AM
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RE: Is something wrong with my trykon xl "speed wise"
You can always shorten your arrow to loose some weight and increase spine. I have a 30" DL and shoot a 27" arrow with a QAD rest. You could also contact GT and ask for their 85/105 (not sure about the 105)series arrows. I was told by a friend that they make the arrows for long DL's and heavy tip hunters. They're probably about a grain per inch lighter than the Eastons.
You can also download a trial version of Ontarget2 from www.pinwheelsoftware.com and run your bow set-up through there to get arrow choices as well as play with your options.
I really wouldn't worry about it though. That's bow is still shooting faster than many people's bows with lighter arrows.
You can also download a trial version of Ontarget2 from www.pinwheelsoftware.com and run your bow set-up through there to get arrow choices as well as play with your options.
I really wouldn't worry about it though. That's bow is still shooting faster than many people's bows with lighter arrows.
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