RE: Ordered bow with wrong draw weight.
 

I gotta get to work!

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Agreed, a debate, not argument.

I'll find the info if i can tonight and post it.It was enlightening. I used to be all about lighter arrows and my arrow weight has gone from 370 gr to 430 gr in 3 months.

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So are we a slave to technology or is technology a slave to us?

We advanced the engineering in archery, which in turn gave many of us standards that are above the equipment we own. Hence we upgrade and start the process all over again.

I don't want to fight about this but I don't think hunting with a recurve or longbow is ethical to my standards. But did I think this way 10 yrs ago? I really can't recall.

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Let me further explain that I don't look down upon people for hunting with such methods.

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Dave,
Can you sit on the floor with your legs in front of you and draw back slowly to anchor--if you can't do that you are overbowed or"theres your sign":D I can do it with my setup--just need help getting back up again!:D

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i can sit on the floor,I can sit on a stump and rotate 110 degrees to my right and draw. I can draw in just about any position that you can imagine. I've been shooting a bow sinceI was 6-7 yrs old and hunting archery sinceI was 15 and am now 36. I know how to practice for hunting.

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AH HA! BUT CAN YOU PAT YOUR HEAD WHILE RUBBING YOUR STOMACH IN A CIRCLE!????

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I think you shoot the heaviest bow you can shoot best. If you can,t shoot 70 lbs don't. I have hunt a lot of years and hunted with a lot of bow hunters. Hunted with recurves, compounds, fast arrow and heavy arrows and base my set up on what I have seen over 45 years on bowhunting. Recurves shoot as heavy as you can, cut on impack broad heads and a heavier arrow works best. A 60lb recurve put out 5 are 10 lb Ke lest than a compound with the same arrow at the same weight. Thats way we have them. the newer recurves that are being made today are not the reurves we had 40 years ago, faster and better made with space age glues and so on. I have a good friend of 40 years that shoots a 60 lb compound with heavier arrow than I shoot, but he gets big bucks every year. I have aways shot 65 to 70 lbs with a little lighter arrows. When start talking about deer we have taken (100's). I always get more pass throughs and have shot through more shoulder blades than he has with pass throughs. What I'm saying is shoot what you want. but you owe it to the game you hunt to be at you best and to make the most ethical kill you can make. I don't want to see as go back 40 years, bowhunters did lose more deer and all you would hear from the people was how some one found a deer dead with a arrow sticking out of it are a gun hunter shot a deer with a arrow inside it and how we bowhunters wound to many deer. That way I always put my name on my hunting arrows, make the best shot I can and shoot fast carbon arrows at 70 lbs. Pass throughs and exit hole kill fast set ups. :)

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I thought I'd add a point to this "discussion".;)

I own a 70 lb compound, a 60 lb compound, a 60 lb recurve and a 50 lb longbow. If a deer comes within a certain distance and offers a shot opportunity, I can almost guarantee it's dead if I choose to shoot - with any of these bows.

The quickest kill I ever made was with a 45 lb recurve on a mature cow elk. She almost went 20 yards before she fell. Ethics has nothing to do with the weapon. It has to do with not exceeding your limitations (listen to Clint, he knew what he was talking about). The cow elk was at 12 yards. I knew it was dead before I shot. I limit myself differently with each weapon, although I will say that my limits have no real difference with the compounds. At the distance I shoot, both are more than effective at the game I'm shooting at.

Now, if I was hunting Asian water buffalo, I'd follow Ashby's advise - at least 800 grains traveling at least 180 fps. If either of those figures fall below those ranges, then his studies show that kill rates go way down. A 400 gr arrow going 300 fps will not reliably work. Notice, he doesn't say anything about draw weight or bow type. It doesn't matter. The bow doesn't kill anything. It's all about the arrow.

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Sure, the arrow does the work. However, you have to use a heavier arrow with a 60# bow to equal the performance of a 70# bow. And say you like to shoot a 500 gr arrow. Well, that 500 gr arrow out of a 70# bow is more efficient. Ashbey lists arrow weights with arrow velocities. the higher DW will give you a higher velocity with a heavier arrow. This is indisputable yet keep being ignored by stating that all you have to do is use a heavier arrow.

Dealing with knowing effective range. There are far too many people thathave no clue what their effective rangeis with a piece of equipment or are willing to take a shot that they know they shouldn't. That's why it's always better to use the highest DW you can handle. You extend your effective range and thereby have less chance of a wounded animal. I'm not sure why people ignore this fact also by stating a certain bow can take anything on the Continent. That's only true if the animal is very close and perfect broadside shots with certain set-ups. Unfortunetly, most people don't wait or get the Outdoor Life pose from a game animal.