importance of properly set 3rd axis
08-26-2007 | 02:30 PM
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RE: importance of properly set 3rd axis
[quote]ORIGINAL: TFOX
I stated that earlier,there are 2 ways to set the 3rd axis.Shooting it in on a hill was one of them and is a very accurate way to do it,but,imo is a more tedious way to do it.
I do most of my tuning at home and I don't have a long 45 deg hill either.
If you hang a weight from the ceiling and get on your knees to draw and aim up at 45 degrees you can accomplish the same thing. I think in a bad way that's what the G5 method was recommended.
I stated that earlier,there are 2 ways to set the 3rd axis.Shooting it in on a hill was one of them and is a very accurate way to do it,but,imo is a more tedious way to do it.
I do most of my tuning at home and I don't have a long 45 deg hill either.
08-26-2007 | 02:43 PM
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RE: importance of properly set 3rd axis
ORIGINAL: TFOX
WRONG ,you totally missed the point of this whole thread.
If you watch your bubble and it isn't set right,you will cant your bow to get the bubble right,but it will be lying to you.
If your 3rd axis isn't set right,when you shoot a target downhill at 40 yards,you could be off several inches.
Now think about those that shoot uphill at an 80 yard target.They could miss by a foot if the 3rd axis isn't properly set.
ORIGINAL: Redneck Bowhunter
Is really important at all, on any kind of bow. I mean all it really is, is to check for torque at long ranges right? So it is just a referance it doesn't affect accuracy at all does it?
Is really important at all, on any kind of bow. I mean all it really is, is to check for torque at long ranges right? So it is just a referance it doesn't affect accuracy at all does it?
If you watch your bubble and it isn't set right,you will cant your bow to get the bubble right,but it will be lying to you.
If your 3rd axis isn't set right,when you shoot a target downhill at 40 yards,you could be off several inches.
Now think about those that shoot uphill at an 80 yard target.They could miss by a foot if the 3rd axis isn't properly set.
08-26-2007 | 03:21 PM
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RE: importance of properly set 3rd axis
ORIGINAL: Redneck Bowhunter
Yes, but what I meant was that if you didn't have the 3rd axis at all. And, you just relied on good form. Then you could go into any plane and still have it shooting straight.
ORIGINAL: TFOX
WRONG ,you totally missed the point of this whole thread.
If you watch your bubble and it isn't set right,you will cant your bow to get the bubble right,but it will be lying to you.
If your 3rd axis isn't set right,when you shoot a target downhill at 40 yards,you could be off several inches.
Now think about those that shoot uphill at an 80 yard target.They could miss by a foot if the 3rd axis isn't properly set.
ORIGINAL: Redneck Bowhunter
Is really important at all, on any kind of bow. I mean all it really is, is to check for torque at long ranges right? So it is just a referance it doesn't affect accuracy at all does it?
Is really important at all, on any kind of bow. I mean all it really is, is to check for torque at long ranges right? So it is just a referance it doesn't affect accuracy at all does it?
If you watch your bubble and it isn't set right,you will cant your bow to get the bubble right,but it will be lying to you.
If your 3rd axis isn't set right,when you shoot a target downhill at 40 yards,you could be off several inches.
Now think about those that shoot uphill at an 80 yard target.They could miss by a foot if the 3rd axis isn't properly set.
It isn't about form.
When you shoot on hills,the human mind has a tendancy to sight in with the terrain so you will align the bow up with the ground.That means you will have a cant in the bow.You can balance the bow so that it hangs level but you will have a tendancy on hills to match up to your surroundings.
That is the whole reason for the level but the level has to correct to be accurate.
08-26-2007 | 04:52 PM
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RE: importance of properly set 3rd axis
Ok, but hen will that not be the same from a treestand then? Therefore should it be done for hunting? Another qeustion. When you said you shim your sight bar with old credit cards, would that not just move the sight bar out from the riser? Not actually move it on the 4th axis?
08-26-2007 | 08:00 PM
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RE: importance of properly set 3rd axis
You don't just shim it out,you put the cards in the front or back to move the pins in or out.
If you need to move the pins in,put the shim in front of the mounting screws.
If you need to move the pins out,put the shims behind the mounting screws.
Yes,the same applies for hunting but most risers are square enough to get the bar and arrow running parralel with each other and just use a 2nd axis level.You are notneeding to hit a 1" circle at 40 yards to kill a deer.If it makes you feel better,then by all means get the 3rd set for hunting.Mine is very close but probablynot perfect.
If you need to move the pins in,put the shim in front of the mounting screws.
If you need to move the pins out,put the shims behind the mounting screws.
Yes,the same applies for hunting but most risers are square enough to get the bar and arrow running parralel with each other and just use a 2nd axis level.You are notneeding to hit a 1" circle at 40 yards to kill a deer.If it makes you feel better,then by all means get the 3rd set for hunting.Mine is very close but probablynot perfect.
08-26-2007 | 08:03 PM
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RE: importance of properly set 3rd axis
Dave,hanging a weight from the ceiling does not take into account the arrows path.You must shoot a bow to get the 3rd properly set to it.
Either on a hill or with a 4rth axis tool.
The arrow is another plane that the level has to be square with.
Either on a hill or with a 4rth axis tool.
The arrow is another plane that the level has to be square with.
08-26-2007 | 09:12 PM
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RE: importance of properly set 3rd axis
ORIGINAL: Redneck Bowhunter
Im sorry if this qeustion is really dumb but, can't you just move the windage adjustment for your pins? I thought you wanted to get you sight bar sqaure with the arrow?
Im sorry if this qeustion is really dumb but, can't you just move the windage adjustment for your pins? I thought you wanted to get you sight bar sqaure with the arrow?
But you are trying to square the bar with arrows path,moving thewindage doesn't accomplish anything but moving the pins.
08-26-2007 | 11:40 PM
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RE: importance of properly set 3rd axis
Ok, I have researched other sources andI understand the concept, but it says that it only helps the archers that have sights with extension bars. How would you do it for a fixed bar sight?