fletching drag on QAD rest
 

i have a bowtech alliegence with a QAD rest that i bought last year and have had nothing but problems with. i shoot gold tip pro hunters and have tried all diferent kinds of fletchings and everything i try still drags. does anyone have any suggestions or know a rest that is 100% guaranteed not to drag. i don't care what it cost i just want this problem resolved.


Thanks alot,

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Where is the fletching dragging? I have the exact same set-up and have no clearance issues with Blazers. I did have to move my rest forward a little to get the flipper to drop faster.

Is the flipper parallel with the string at full draw?
Is the nock 1/8" or so above parallel?

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the flipper is paralllel, i've been shooting the cock feather down and it is hitting on the left side of the fletching, i have also tried shooting the cock feather up i have not tried moving the rest up

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You should be shooting cock feather up with the QAD. Also, check your center shot.

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i will do that, and i did notice that my rest is pretty far forward, bout halfway up, thanks alot for the advice.

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I had to move the rest up to where the rod for the flipper is almost toughing the riser if that helps at all.

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i will keep messing with it like i said i will try anything, the fletching clearance problem is causing my arrows to kick and shooting blazer vanes with fixed blade broadheads reallly makes it noticable

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Hey DAVE; did you move it forward because it was not dropping fast enough? Just curious because I'm fixing to buy a commander and want to shot a drop away and the guy told me that some drop aways don't drop fast enough for clearence with the faster bows today.I really loke the drp away and want to stay with them if I can.

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Yes, I did have to move it forward to get it to drop fast enough at 73#'s and291 fps. The QAD uses a spring to drop the flipper. Some just use gravity.

Here are pics of my rest.

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Thanks for the info. I did'nt know if the guy who told me that was just trying to sell me a wb or not.

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Up until the Limb Driver and the Whammy came out, the QAD was one of the fastest drop aways on the market. I've never seen one "too slow" to get out of the way.

What I have seen, is plenty that were set up incorrectly, and a couple of the Hunter models that bounced back up into the flight path of the fletchings. If you don't have an LD or HD model.... thats almost always the case.

Otherwise, make sure that your rest is lifting past 90 degrees at full draw. You may have to shorten/lengthen your draw cord as well. And of course... check the center shot.

If you are hitting that top containment bar... take it off and put it in the **** can. You don't need it anyway.

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ddsnannychaser,

One more thingthat I thought of is which flipper are you using? The standard or the longer one? QAD recommends the longer one. however, that one seemed to give me a lot of contact issues so I went back to the standard.


treboryerf,

There is at least 2 guys on here that I know of shooting over 300 fps (1 at 360+) withdrop aways. It just takes longer to get the timing correct the faster the bow is. Some drop aways areslower than others though. I'd think the ones that use a spring to drop are much faster than the ones that use gravity.

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...or you could just get yourself a pack of Gateway Rayzr feathers and be done with it.

For $15, this guy even lets you pick both the cock (15) and hen feathers (30)
http://cgi.ebay.com/Gateway-2-RW-Shield-Cut-Rayzr-Feathers-9-Colors-Pkg-45_W0QQitemZ300128973293QQihZ020QQcategoryZ20842QQ rdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem

You'll never have any fletching clearance problems with feathers.

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dave, swamp is right. i believe 5 spot has an article about it on his sight, and TT and others did some super slo mo video - and its bounce back that causes the issue. the older qad's are very touchy to minor cable stretch, cord stretch, or cord slippage. i haven't heard or seen of super slo mo video on the qad's, but i'd imagine its bounce back also.
i've fixed quite a few tt's by taking them apart and making them drop slower [:-]

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I never stated I disagreed with Swamp.

i had clearance issues with my down fanes and another guy with a QAD recommended movign the rest forward to drop faster. Problem solved.

I've gotten my 07' hunter model to clear without any problems at over 290 fps. My problem was not dropping fast enough.

Yes, the LD & HD models are designed to stop bounce back. I believe they even corrected the 07' hunter as well though.

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Fran,

How durable are the Razors? Also, isn't the height about the same? Therefore, how could you clearance issues be resolved?

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On the shot, the g-force pulls the feathers rearward, laying them down pretty flatagainst the shaft for the first few feet of the arrow's flight. Once they're out of the chute, they flare back out and keep the arrow stabilized. So while the height at rest might be .5", the actual height (as the arrow flies through the dropaway) might only be .3"

These guys all seem to be having really good results with them.
http://archerytalk.com/vb/showthread.php?t=521583

They weigh 1.7 grains each, have a 1/2" profile heightand are 2" long. But, since they layback on the shot, their actual height while passing through the rest will be < .5"

The Blazers weigh5 grains each, have a .6" profile height andare 2" long.

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Thought of that afterI sent the post. Durability?

i may order a pack from Bowhunter's Superstore with the rest of the stuff i need to try them out. A 50 pack is only $11.95.

Do they have hot pink? ;)

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A shop employee favoring one product over the other? NO WAY! DOESN'T HAPPEN! lol

(at least they should have picked a better product than the WB...IMO)

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The WB seems to have replaced the double prong rest as the standard for basic rests.

gibblet,

QAD increased the strength of the spring to ensure that you do not have problems like the older models had with the bouce back effect. I was told to not buy any of the'06 models whenI was looking for a QAD due to the issue that you and Swamp are talking about.

I would think that rests that use a spring would be less likely to do that then rests that use gravity and a rubber bumper at the bottom like the TT's.

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Dave - no pink. [&o] As for durability, I've been using gateway feathers for6-8 years, and I would never go back to a vane (of any kind) - there's no comparison. I'd guess that the rayzr is just as good.

I wish I'd have known about thecheapieebay deal on Rayzrs when I fletched my last dozen. I used regular 4" (pink). LOL

ddsnannychaser - I really think that you could save yourself a lot of aggravation by trying one arrow with feathers on it and seeing how it does. Rayzrs are the feather version of the Blazer vane.

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dave, the tt uses a spring.

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I know I'm not trying to argue with you here Dave, and I don't think Gib is either. Just try and look at this objectively and see the whole issue, and the whole bow, rather than just one part of it.

Think about this for a second... when you moved your rest forward that 1/4" to 1/2"... did that make it drop faster? Or, perhaps when it was boucncing back up (if it was), was it just not timed quite right (or in this case wrong) to catch a vane as it went past? Perhaps hitting the riser, or something like that kept it from rebounding quite as much, just like an STS/CSS stops your string from oscellating? Lots ofvariables we can't see with our eyes.

Whats the general rule anyway... if you lengthen the cord your rest will drop faster? Or is it the other way around?

Just a little thinking out of the box here. No critisim or anything like that intended or implyed. Just bouncing around ideas here.

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Roger on that John. I spoke too soon and about a rest I know little about. Open mouth insert foot. Does the TT series use the cord to pull the rest down and the spring brings it into postion when you draw? If that's the case it works the opposite of the QAD.

I don't think either one of you are trying OT argue with me. We're having a discussion on a problem that people have with drop aways. So, don't worry about me getting upset or anything.:D

I didn't change the contact with the riser at all on my rest when I moved it forward. When my rest drops there isn't any bounce back. The spring is very strong on the '07 models.

I see what both of you are saying about the bounce back issue and if you make it drop slower it may not bounce back. I think that would be a function of how strong the spring is and also the design of the rest.

At higher speeds if you move the rest forward it will drop quicker, not faster.The rest will only drop asfast as the mechanism that makes it drop activates. The only way to make it faster would be to increase the spring tension. It was incorrect of me to say that the rest will drop faster by moving it forward.

The QAD only uses thecord to bring the flipper to the full position. It also has a ready position that the flipper locks into. On release the forward and downward force of the arrow forces the flipper past the ready position and the spring pulls the flipper down to the bottom position. I've flipped the rest down pretty hard with no kick back at all.

What was happening is that because the rest uses the force of the arrow on the rest to drop the flipper. The flipper did not have time to clear out of the way andI was getting contact on my right hen feather. I slid the rest forward about 1/4" to 3/8" and the contact problem went away.I had a black mark along the wholeblazer before the adjustment.
Ialso raised my nock a little into the range recommended by QAD for my Allegiance. I believe thatI did not have enough down force on the arrow to activate the rest properly.

I guess the only way to truly know what is going on would be high speed film of the arrow upon release.

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dave, there's a spring that holds the launcher down, the drop away cord pulls the rest up and into launch position, the spring is wanting to take the launcher back down the whole time, and as soon as you release it does just that. high speed video was taken, and bounce back was the culprit on the tt's, and as far as i know all the others that operate the same way.

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If it's like the video on QAD's site. The bounce back on the TT is caused by contact with the riser. I've noticed my buddy's TT rests on the riser. My QAD doesn't. When it hits bottom it pretty much stops and if it bounces back at all it's in the 1/100th range.

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My QAD HD isn't held down by spring pressure. It actually jams when it goes down as if it is being wedged in and held. It takes a bit of extra pressure to get it cocked again from the fired position. It never makes contact with the riser at all which is one of the things I like about it over my NAP QT3000. I must've got lucky with my set-up because I haven't had any timing or contact issues with my Blazers right from day one (2 weeks ago).

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The HD model has a caminside the housing that stops the flipper from coming back up. The Hunter model relies on the spring. I wasn't sure about the rest at all so I purchased the base line model. It performs great now that it's been set-up correctly.

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I am not sure about your hunter model but with my QAD LD the longer you lengthen the rest cord the faster it will drop before the vanes reach the rest. I bought the LD so I would not have to worry about bounce back and so far I haven't.

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The rest cord on all of the QAD's only purpose is to bring the arm to parallel with the string. Length has no effect what so ever on how fast it drops. The force the arrow exherts on the arm sets the arm in motion and the spring pulls the arm down. If the cord is not under tension at full draw then the rest is not set-up properly and you will get contact problems.

It does not matter if the cord is a foot long or 6 inches long as long as it has the rest fully cocked.

As I've stated numerous times. i have no bounce back issues on my Hunter model. The spring on the '07 models is pretty strong.

It is very important that the timing cord is attached to the bows downward buss cable. The launcher must be 90 degrees to the bow shelf AT full draw (The launcher can come up an inch before full draw, but no sooner). The rest will not drop away properly if it is not in the Full Upright position AT full draw. **Extra tension on the timing cord at full draw is better than any slack in the cord at full draw, the main reason for the rest to come up before full draw is to compensate for a shooter that creeps before his shot.

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Here is a post of mine from a bit ago.

http://www.huntingnet.com/forum/tm.aspx?m=2173786

Good luck


Shane

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After that threadI moved mine forward from the advice of HuntingEd and the minor contact went away.

Did you ever do anything else with yours?

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The instructions clearly state that if the arm is not dropping fast enough, then you need to lengthen the cord. Doing this makes the arm react sooner so it can get out of the way of the fletchings.

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"Lower clamp locations allow Ultra Rest to fall faster". It doesn'tsay lengthening the cord will allow it to fall faster.

The lower the cord the more the cord is pulling down on the spring mechanism instead of straight back on it.

When I talk about lengthing the cord I mean when you leave it clamped in the same location and then put more slack in the cord.

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I had a QAD ultra rest pro ld on my Ross cardiac and was having troubles with fletching contact also. I also have one on my CR331 but no problems with contact on it, but it is shooting about 15 to 20fps slower. The problem with the one on my cardiac was when the flipper hit the shelf it would pop up just a tad and the LD feature locked it right there so my fletch wood just clip it. I put the rest on my wife's bow and it works great cause I have it set back so the flipper doesnt even hit the shelf.

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Sorry, but that it what I meant.

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Dave, I have since checked mine with using some of the GF red lipstick on the vanes. No contact. I could actually move it forward another 1/4 in. but I am thinking of just leaving it alone.

Shane

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I have a LD on my TomKat. When the shop installed it, they put it where the fork isn't quite at a 90 when the rest is cocked. As far as I know i am not having any issues with contact. I also shoot blazers and am shooting b/t 285+. I haven't choroned it since I upped the poundage and took the peep off the string, and added the rest (was shooting a WB).

How can I test to see if I am having contact issues? My shots are dead on at well over 40yds.

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HOW DID YOU TIE THE CORD TO THE BUS CABLE TO KEEP IT DOWN AS THE DIRECTIONS SAY? I TRIED TO TIE MINE DOWN BUT IT SLIPS UP. I'M SHOOTING A BOWTECH ALLEG.

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Ihave mine set up on the same bow.

The directions have you clamp it down with the little clamp that comes with the rest. You put the clamp on and then draw and thecord/clamp is supposed to slide up to the point that you should tighten the clamp down at.

Istuck the cord through the down cable. Then I served above the point where I wanted the cord to stay and then melted the end of the cord like you do with a D-loop and then served below the cord. The cord will only go as far as the melted end.

If you wantI can send you pictures of it tonight? I think i posted them on another thread here not to long ago.