walks with a gimp

Ialso took note to check on this "wear spot" that was described on or near the Center Pivot arm. I seen no clearance issues anywhere and noted that the bushings are plainly visable between the arm and the limb block. Drawing the bow, nothing moved enough to decrease the clearances that are apparent at brace.

atlasman

I agree that she is pretty dead at the shot.


I have major concerns over the durability of guardian. Serving wear and moving parts digging into the finish on the riser in under 100 shots was very alarming to me. I can't tell anyone what I "felt" on the draw but I certainly know I wouldn't dream of toting that thing up a tree. I could draw my bow (and the allegiance) for that matter with half the effort and they were all within 1 lb of each other. The draw was perhaps the worst thing about the bow IMO. If you like the draw and haven't seen the wear I saw then I can see why you like the bow. I would too.


Agree 100%..........I was shocked at what I felt because I had heard and read almost nothing but praise...........you gotta shoot 'em yourself.

Just a thought Matt but I would be less inclined to tell someone who just bought a $700 bow that I didn't like it.........even if I didn't. Not saying that happened but comments made in that setting could be done so in a way not to hurt someone's feelings. Just something to think about.


I was the 5th person to shoot the new lineup and the only ones they have sold were sight unseen to the hardcore regulars who order the newest bow every year as soon as they come out. The shooters had mixed reviews and only one guy ordered one (a Drenalin). Granted that is only 4 guys and I have no idea how serious they were in the first place.



Nice.

atlasman

They did contact Bowtech.........I was there right before Christmas and they had not heard back yet.



That was just my observation..........when the bow was drawn the limb tips flexed down way more then I expected them to. Just my eyeballing looked like they were under a ton of stress. Nothing scientific there.......just something I thought was interesting considering the new design.

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There were other initial comments that didn't 'wash' very well; but, like you said, everyone is entitled to their opinions.

Please elaborate...........maybe I can clear things up for you.

Len in Maryland

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They did contact Bowtech.........I was there right before Christmas and they had not heard back yet.

Whenever I call BowTech, especially with a problem, someone is back to me within hours, not days. Just last week the GM called me about an issue where I left a message with a salesperson. Companies with that keen an interest in customer relations don't take a week to get back to someone.

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Please elaborate...........maybe I can clear things up for you.

I think you've made yourself quite clear.

As far as any new design, there is always skepticism andpossible issues that may have to be addressed. Your 'issues', however, seem to be contrary to everything I've examined, the customer reactions encountered in my shop, and the majority of comments/analysis made on this and other forums.

While I accept opinions (2 a : belief stronger than impression and less strong than positive knowledge), I question statements of 'fact with questionable basis' which iscontrary to accredited analysis.
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HuntingBry

I drew both the Guardian and the 07 Allegiance with smooth cams. I love Bowtechs and have beena huge fan since getting my 05 Allegiance. On drawing the two new bows for this year I will agree with Atlas that the Guardian is much stiffer than the 07 Allegiance. IMO it was stiffer than my 05 Allegiance.

The Guardian was set at 62 #s and felt like 70. The Allegiance was set at 65 and drew much nicer. What impressed me the most about the Allegiance was how nice it was to let down. Very smooth and easy which is important for hunting. My 05 wants to jump initially making a smooth let down difficult. The Guardian had a little jump too on let down, but not as bad as my Allegiance.

Unfortunately, I didn't get to shoot them. My hope is that Bowtech will listen to its customers (which they usually do) and come out with a smoother drawing Guardian next year. If they do, that will be my new bow. For now, there isn't anything that makes it worth replacing my baby yet.

atlasman

Perhaps you are misunderstanding Len. I was there shooting the bows on Christmas eve at 1 pm........I don't know when the call was placed......and I don't know if Bowtech called back 2 minutes after I left. I have not been back since so all I can tell you is what I know. I have known him for awhile and if he tells me he called Bowtech about it I have no reason not to believe him.

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As far as any new design, there is always skepticism andpossible issues that may have to be addressed. Your 'issues', however, seem to be contrary to everything I've examined, the customer reactions encountered in my shop, and the majority of comments/analysis made on this and other forums.

There is another thread in this room and another person in this discussion that have pretty much identical comments to mine on the guardian draw............I agree that most people are/were raving about these bows and that is why I was so excited to go shoot them.........All I can do is be honest about what I felt and saw.

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While I accept opinions (2 a : belief stronger than impression and less strong than positive knowledge), I question statements of 'fact with questionable basis' which iscontrary to accredited analysis.

It is what it is...........my experience with the bow is my opinion. The wear and tear I saw is fact. Pretty simple.........just a hunter that went to shoot some new bows telling what he felt and saw.

BowTech_Shooter

Atlasman,

Will you please PM me the dealers name and location? I'd like to contact their Sales Rep. to make sure they've been contacted and of course I'm curious as to what this wear and tear you saw was.

Regards, Pat

Len in Maryland

I try to keep an open mind about new designs; but, let's just face it, you don't like the design or looks of the bow. I base this on your first comments concerning the bow.

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.....but 2 things IMMEDIATELY jumped out at me. I didn't care for the extra moving parts, especially held in place by small clip like cotter pins. Looks like a way too many new areas added that could be a problem. Most of all on initial inspection the cables are twisted around in the cam like a pretzel with two posts set awkwardly close to each other.........just looking at it closely my initial fear was confirmed.......the serving on the cable was already coming apart in that area.

And keep in mind that I made no comments about anyone's concern about draw cycle. That's completely a personal opinion much like the fit of a pair of shoes.

It's funny because initial commentsabout the MZE rest were almost identical to your initial comments about this bow design. The concept of thisrest became one of the most copied and it is still one of the mostpopular drop-away rests. I wonder if history will repeat for this bow design.

gibblet

now that's how you handle yo bidness

pat ='s the man

atlasman

Once again I think you are misunderstanding what I wrote........reading my post it is clear that I did like the look and design. I thought I made that pretty clear. I would not have even mentioned anything other then the draw if I had not seen the wear and tear after so few shots. That made me nervous about the long term viability.

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It's funny because initial commentsabout the MZE rest were almost identical to your initial comments about this bow design. The concept of thisrest became one of the most copied and it is still one of the mostpopular drop-away rests. I wonder if history will repeat for this bow design.

Who knows.........I think it has potential to go either way.