What's so hot about the Patriot?
#22
Join Date: Feb 2003
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RE: What's so hot about the Patriot?
I've shot both the Legacy and the BT. In my opinion the Matthews was a little smoother. I bought the Legacy, but it was a tough decision. I also shoot a Q2XL. Both are great bows.
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#23
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Alvo Nebraska USA
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RE: What's so hot about the Patriot?
BowTech Shooter I have a great question and maybe the R&D man can help. BowTech is going to make 3 different bows using the same dual cams and with the ata being different on each one, will they use the same modules? Say a #2 mod will be a 30 inch draw on the DC Pro 40, a 29 inch on the BK Pro high brace, a 28 inch on the BK Pro low brace and a 27 inch on the DC Pat? I guess I'm asking if the bows will all have the same modules and maybe a 30 inch DC Pat might be a "short" 30 or a 30 inch DC Pro 40 might be a "long" 30 incher<img src=icon_smile_clown.gif border=0 align=middle>?
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RE: What's so hot about the Patriot?
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BowTech Shooter I have a great question and maybe the R&D man can help. BowTech is going to make 3 different bows using the same dual cams and with the ata being different on each one, will they use the same modules? Say a #2 mod will be a 30 inch draw on the DC Pro 40, a 29 inch on the BK Pro high brace, a 28 inch on the BK Pro low brace and a 27 inch on the DC Pat? I guess I'm asking if the bows will all have the same modules and maybe a 30 inch DC Pat might be a "short" 30 or a 30 inch DC Pro 40 might be a "long" 30 incher<img src=icon_smile_clown.gif border=0 align=middle>?
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WWAG, The easiest way for me to tell you about the draw mods is that they will be the same as they are now.
A #1 module will be the longest draw length available for each individual model.
Example: on the DC Patriot a #1 mod will be for 30" draw, on the Short Brace BK2 a #1 will be for 29" draw, On the Tall brace BK2 a #1 will be 30" draw and on the Pro 40 Dual a #1 mod. will be for 31" draw. Bow geometry and configuration make them vary.
Also notice the duallys have 6 draw mods now instead of only 5.
I hope that makes sense to you...
BowTech Shooter I have a great question and maybe the R&D man can help. BowTech is going to make 3 different bows using the same dual cams and with the ata being different on each one, will they use the same modules? Say a #2 mod will be a 30 inch draw on the DC Pro 40, a 29 inch on the BK Pro high brace, a 28 inch on the BK Pro low brace and a 27 inch on the DC Pat? I guess I'm asking if the bows will all have the same modules and maybe a 30 inch DC Pat might be a "short" 30 or a 30 inch DC Pro 40 might be a "long" 30 incher<img src=icon_smile_clown.gif border=0 align=middle>?
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WWAG, The easiest way for me to tell you about the draw mods is that they will be the same as they are now.
A #1 module will be the longest draw length available for each individual model.
Example: on the DC Patriot a #1 mod will be for 30" draw, on the Short Brace BK2 a #1 will be for 29" draw, On the Tall brace BK2 a #1 will be 30" draw and on the Pro 40 Dual a #1 mod. will be for 31" draw. Bow geometry and configuration make them vary.
Also notice the duallys have 6 draw mods now instead of only 5.
I hope that makes sense to you...
#27
RE: What's so hot about the Patriot?
Hawgs I've owned a legacy and a patriot shoot both and I'll bet you'll own the patriot I think bowtech steped up in designing this bow while mathews took a step back trying to put a bandaid on their cam design with the legacy's " no valley cam " the Q2 is a smoother bow IMO , that roller garde is no break thru either just a gimmick
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#28
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Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: .. NH USA
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RE: What's so hot about the Patriot?
Frank is right, the MQ1 was released prior to the Durango. But, neither one of those models were a true "parallel" design or marketed as such, altho they did have shorter limbs with more angle. If we look at that aspect, the original Conquest released in 1997 had short, stiff limbs with an increased angle and lesser recoil, and was really the first bow to offer this. Mathews didn't start actually advertising the parallel limb design until the release of the Q2 and the Q2XL. Bowtech, of course, offered their parallel design with the release of the Patriot. Both designs offer low shock.
According to Kevin,(Strother, co-owner and designer) the new Patriot twin cam will have less shock and vibration than the original Patriot with solocam! IF this is indeed true, then it would definately be a bow to look at IMO, because if quieter, I feel it could then compete with the Mathews for quiet and low recoil, and even beat it if you add the higher tuning attributes of a twin cam into the mix! This would also be enhanced if they offer the newly-designed grips, which they have promised to update for 2003. I'm very interested in shooting one at the AMO show to see for myself what the deal is.
But then again, Mathews and other manufacturers won't be releasing their new offerings until the AMO show, so who knows what they will bring to the table? We all must remember that we are looking at only a few of the "2003" models, and cannot totally make accurate judgements on anything as far as "who's on top" until we see the full lineups from all manufacturers.
I've heard though the grapevine that there will be a few other "surprises" coming also from various manufacturers,(we hear this every year, but it seems to be greater hype this year) and I think personally I'm going to wait to see what develops in the next couple of months and what is released at the show. The show will tell all, and this could be a year of many exciting new developments from alot of different manufacturers if what I hear is any indication. Just my own thoughts, Pinwheel 12
According to Kevin,(Strother, co-owner and designer) the new Patriot twin cam will have less shock and vibration than the original Patriot with solocam! IF this is indeed true, then it would definately be a bow to look at IMO, because if quieter, I feel it could then compete with the Mathews for quiet and low recoil, and even beat it if you add the higher tuning attributes of a twin cam into the mix! This would also be enhanced if they offer the newly-designed grips, which they have promised to update for 2003. I'm very interested in shooting one at the AMO show to see for myself what the deal is.
But then again, Mathews and other manufacturers won't be releasing their new offerings until the AMO show, so who knows what they will bring to the table? We all must remember that we are looking at only a few of the "2003" models, and cannot totally make accurate judgements on anything as far as "who's on top" until we see the full lineups from all manufacturers.
I've heard though the grapevine that there will be a few other "surprises" coming also from various manufacturers,(we hear this every year, but it seems to be greater hype this year) and I think personally I'm going to wait to see what develops in the next couple of months and what is released at the show. The show will tell all, and this could be a year of many exciting new developments from alot of different manufacturers if what I hear is any indication. Just my own thoughts, Pinwheel 12
#29
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Bellevue Ne USA
Posts: 157
RE: What's so hot about the Patriot?
Come on PW12 spill the beans, on the rumblings you are hearing. Is Mathews gonna break from the singlecam and do a dual or hybrid? Come on dude stir the pot!!
Hope you know I'm just kidding!!!
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Edited by - BAYOUBENGALS on 11/25/2002 08:55:27
Hope you know I'm just kidding!!!
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Edited by - BAYOUBENGALS on 11/25/2002 08:55:27
#30
RE: What's so hot about the Patriot?
I think the Legacy and Q2XL are good bows. Just like a Patriot and P38, only slower.<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>
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