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Truth here.I went through several( 3 in 1yr.)before changing rests. And I had 4 different shops look at the bow & my shootingform before giving up on it.
That being said , I would probably try it again on my next bow.
Perhapsmy bow was not compatible with the wbfor whatever reason, short A to A, short draw;I don't know & neither did the old timers..so I would have to give thewb another shot.;)
If you guys really want to bash a rest you shouldhave at the 360,[:'(]BLECH!![:@]Big a waste of time & effort 4 me, couldn't groupwell AT all.
I'm shooting the tightest groups I ever have withmy newdrop zone, only had it a few weeks and I REALLY like it so far.. but.. I did have the arrow fall of the foam thingy & slide across the riser shelf a couple timesthe first timehunting with it; now I'll keep my finger on the arrow.
Good long thread, shoot whatever works for you ,& help somebody if you can.(like the song says:D)
NY

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Heck if I know. Ever shoot with any of 'em? They're pretty trouble free if left in the package.

Then you have some learning to do. Go to that bieter site that Arroman suggestedand watch the videos. Unfortunately they're all done with a fingers shooter, but you'll plainly see that just after the arrow makes it's initial flex during the release, it's in complete freeflight. I keep hoping they'll put up some video with a release shooter. But there used to be one on the GoldTip site that was pretty good and it featured a mechanical release.

I already talked about properly adjusting spring tension on a prong rest.Youadjust spring tension so that the prongs just raise the arrow into launch attitude at full draw. It's got plenty of 'give' to it when adjusted properly.

So... Have yougot high speed video to back upyourversion of happens during the shotwith a WB?If you've got a link to video, I'd love to see it.

I'm glad I've helped you in whatever way I did. About my personal bias though... You're darn right about that, butcan't you see the street runs both ways here? Plenty of personal bias on your side of the fence too. Why shouldn't someone present the opposite opinion witha fervor equal to that of the guys who believe in the blasted things? And why do those guys get so irritated and offensive when someone disagrees?

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Arthur,

Please cut and paste where Ihave come out about another rest like you have against the whisker biscuit. I will save you the trouble looking because you won't find it. Have Igiven my opinion about other rests sure, but I have not singled out ANY otherrest and time after time bashed it like you have this one.While I have my opinions, you won't find me bashing any one rest time after time. That is what I meant about your bias, and by your admission I was right.

Very funny:eek:.....yes I have shot them all and all work great for me. Hey I'm not sayingit's perfect. I know it's not. What I am saying is, it's a great hunting rest and PLENTY accurate out to my furthest shot I would ever take with my hunting bow.But the best thing about it is, I know it will work when I need it to.

Maybe some dayI will switch to another type of rest. I might even try a drop away on one of my other bows.But you can rest assured thatunless abetter hunting restcomes out, the Whisker Biscuitwill stay on my HUNTING bow.

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You've got "opinions" but I've got bias? Puh-leez! :eek:What chaps my buns is you won't admit your opinions also formyour own bias. I ain't got nothin' you ain't got, bro! We're just flip sides of the same coin.

Frankly, what got me into this thread is I know how wb believers get when somebody talks bad about the wb. On the other hand, wb believers think everybody wants to hear their crap about wb's whileblowing boogers atdropaways, on a thread about dropaways.

I'm sick of it, and was just out to show that turn about is fair play. Maybe some of these guys who hate somebody dissing the wb should be a little more cautious about dissing other rests themselves.

It's just like Mathews bows a few years ago. They were/are great bows, but I couldn't stand the attitude of the goobers that shot them. Someone asks a question about Hoyt bows and a bunch of Mathews addicts come on talking smack, 'Hoyt is junk, get a Mathews.' Let anyone say the slightest unflattering thing about Mathews and, Oh Mercy! We're on a30 pageflame warin a heartbeat.

The wb is a good hunting rest (not great, IMO), but that same attitude is hanging on them like stink on aroadkill skunk. Bowtech came along and stole Mathews thunder.I can't wait for the rest that doesthe sameto the wb.

When it happens, I'll be right up front playing...

I hope you get it now. I don't think I can spell it out any clearer than that.

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I get it.

It's like walking into a synagogue wearing a cross and eating a pork sandwich.[&:]

Mostpeople would call that stupid. Some people would call that fun.;)

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just checking - zrex, you have used the WB extensively and know that all these things happen??? Curious, because i've never had these problems????

PS - this horse is still dead!!!!! ;)

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Nope me neither Doug and i have shot more than 1000 arrows out of my WB.


To Quote Arthur

"5) In some 45 years of hunting with bow and arrow, I've not had too much trouble keeping the arrow on my rest, so full containment doesn't even make my list of considerations for a rest. Frankly, I think havingsuch adevice that you know is going to keep your arrow from falling off your bow will do nothing but encourage you to be less careful with your movements.If you're sloppy with your movements, you're usually gonna get busted and not get a shot anyway."



This may be true, but anyone can get busted at any time whether or not you use the WB or not. The WB does not make a person a sloppy hunter at all. A sloppy hunter is a sloppy hunter, tell me you have never been busted. I bet you cant. Hell ill bet my bow that you can not sit there and tell me that you have honestly never been busted. Why did you get busted? Were you using the WB??? Of course not, your an Anti-WB Hunter. Ill be 110% honest. I have been busted, was I using the WB? Yes. Did I get busted because of the WB. No. I got busted because I turnedto quickly to adjust my harness. If I wouldnt have adjusted my harness, would I have gotten busted? Maybe. If I wouldnt have gotted busted would I have killed that 12 point buck? Absofreakinglutely!!! Why? BecauseI have well tuned equipment, including a WB, and have confidence in every shot I make. So dont sit there and accuse the WB for making sloppy hunters, sloppy hunters! I know for a fact that you were a sloppy hunter, and you DO get busted. If not id like to see the video proof of you never getting busted.

Just thought ID stir up the pot a bit now.

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Never said that. You even quoted what I said: Encouraging you to be less careful doesn't mean you HAVE to be less careful. A wb doesn't FORCE you to be a sloppy hunter, just makes it easier for you to be lazy and sloppy.

On the other hand,all agree the only real reason to use a wb is to keep your arrow from falling off the bow. People who knock arrows off their rests are not moving nearly carefully enough. Being sloppy, in other words. So, if you are having such a problem already, or even fear you will have such a problem,then thereis an obviouspre-existing condition.

You'll be 110% honest??? A full 10% beyond total honesty?? Wow. In other words, there you go again, stretching the truth.

Don't cross swords (or pot stirring sticks) with me, kiddo! [8D]

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Two opponents faced off with pot stirring sticks- Now there's a stunning visual image for you. Capes and masks included?:D:D:D

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Arthur,

You missed what I was trying to say. Yes I have opinions like you, but where we differ is I don't take every opportunity to bash one particular rest, but you do. That's being biased.

I agree there are some who do that, butyou won't find me "dissing" another particular brand of rest time after time.

I totally understand that, being an off brand (Browning) bow shooter,and I too am sick of it as well. Like I said, I don't think the Whisker Biscuit is the best rest out there. If I shot 3D or other competitive shooting I would probably use another type. But I don't, I hunt and there is nothing wrong with wanting a simple fullproof rest, it's just one less thing to worry or think about when I'm trying to make a good shot on an animal. I don't think a W/B rest will make it "easier for you to be lazy and sloppy" If anything I think it helps me be more focused on my shot, not having to worry anout my arrow falling off. Different strokes I guess.



You will also note that every time I talk about the W/B it's in a HUNTING context where I think it really shines.

Edit:

Arthur,

After re-reading your post I can totally see where you are comming from. There are W/B followers who go off the "deep end" just like the Mathews and Bowtech bunch does. I can see where it gets frustrating.

Ihope you see that I'm not one of them. I just give my opinion on the merits or downfalls of the particular product as I see them or have experienced them.

I never have nor will I ever, jump into a drop away rest (or any other for that matter) thread and start bad mouthing that rest and say "buy the Whisker Biscuit it's the best, bla...bla...bla"

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Now hes calling us lazy hunters again. And I never knocked an arrow off my prong rest for the record. I saw something new which i figured woudl help me during spot and stalks and gave it a try, and will never go back to a prong rest again. And that is 100% the truth.

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did you read the test I copied and pasted ? thats what their results were, not mine.
let me paste it again.







Whisker Biscuit: Truth in Advertising!
By Staff Writer
Bob Peck

Archers are a fiercely loyal and independent bunch. One quick look at any given subject in our ArcheryWorld.com forums shows that lots of debates and heated discussions are digitally waged on a daily basis. We accept this. The controversy comes with the product test turf. None of us on the ArcheryWorld.com test team wear white lab coats and carry physics degrees. The white lab coats stick out sitting in the tree stand and the physics degree isn't as valuable to us as our doctorates in the school of hard knocks! No pain, no gain right?
To prove or disprove manufacturer claims we utilize quasi-scientific testing methods that attempt to simulate real world conditions and experiences. We always use chronographs and other instrumentation when it's appropriate. We try hard to get it right the first time around. Often though, we are left to a subjective collection of staff shooter opinions. We're not trying to dictate anything to anybody and we certainly aren't the last word on any given topic, or product! Our opinions on how well or poorly equipment performs are just that, opinions. Some products like bows are easier to evaluate and compare than other more subjective products like scents or boots. In the end analysis, we do what we do because a huge majority of our site visitors demanded we provide our input and cut through the hype. Still, no matter what we do or say there are those skeptics that read our reviews and scoff. These same people claim we are paid off to say what we say (we are not) and scream we are biased. Please. We are human. Humans are imperfect and make mistakes. We're no different but one thing is a given, here at ArcheryWorld.com, we take extra care to assemble the opinions and provide a balanced view of the products we test. Still, the arguments and flames continue. It' s part of the job and we gladly accept it because we all learn from the experience. Besides, we find that for every whiner there are three archers who thank us for our efforts.
This review of the Whisker Biscuit could easily be a short one. All you need to do is read the materials made available by the manufacturer, Carolina Archery Products, either on their website or their packaging material. There isn't a single word in their literature that we consider to be hype, misleading in any way, or marketing hooey. Without a single doubt in our minds, Carolina Archery Products is fully committed to "Truth in Advertising!" Not only are the pros and cons of their product presented, but the criticisms are headed off at the pass. Misinformation about the Whisker Biscuit is trounced with facts and perhaps most important, the message is clear; the product is not all things to all archers and doesn't pretend to be. Co-founder Ike Branthwaite is as straightforward as the available Whisker Biscuit printed material. Ike actually sought us out and within days of speaking to him, a box of six (6) Whisker Biscuits arrived just as he promised. Two (2) of each model, The Original ($34.99), The Drop Tine ($44.99) and The Deluxe ($62.95) arrived as did a can of "No Snow" ($8.99) which is used to prevent the Whiskers from freezing. More on No Snow later.
Before we get too far into this product review let's get something straight from the beginning. The Whisker Biscuit is a hunting arrow rest. Can it be used for 3D or competitive shooting? Sure. No problem but realize the design is meant to go into the woods. Ethical bow hunters shake down their equipment months before the season starts and make certain their equipment is dialed in BEFORE the season starts. There are many archers though who pick up their bow few weeks before the season shoot a few hundred shots and are good to go. It' s not so much that this particular group is unethical as their idea of preparation is, how shall we say, streamlined? How you prepare for your archery season is your business and not something we need to debate. To each his or her own! One thing that is hard to debate is this philosophy; anytime you can incorporate equipment into your line up that removes variables is a good thing. Gore Tex, for example, removes the variable of wondering if you'll get wet. You won't. The Whisker Biscuit removes the variable of your arrow clinking off your arrow rest and spooking game. For some, including this author, it's a welcome variable gone for good! The Whisker Biscuit isn't the only rest on the market that successfully removes this variable. Golden Key and BoDoodle to name a few have their own designs. In short, there is simply no way your arrow is going to fall off when it's encircled 360 degrees with black fibers. The fibers are not nylon. The exact material is proprietary. We're told it is an advanced polymer selected for abrasion resistance, strength, and flexibility. Since this proprietary material doesn't have some catchy name and that was a mouthful, let's just say the fibers in the Whisker Biscuit are synthetic fibers.
Imagine if you will that a small 2" inch circle of black synthetic fibers pointing inward with a hole in the middle for your arrow shaft. This circle of synthetic fibers is held together around it's perimeter with a metal hoop that securely crimps down on the outside edges of the fibers. The arrow enters the center of this hoop from behind and rests lightly on the bottom half of the hole in the center of the fiber halo. There are 3 different Whisker Biscuit inserts to accommodate a variety of shafts, aluminum, insert carbon, and outsert carbon. The outsert carbon can be used for small diameter children's arrows or the smaller ACC arrows. There is also a fishing biscuit with a different type of stiffer fibers, only used with heavy, unfletched, bowfishing arrows.
The only difference that we could see is the diameter of the arrow hole in the center of the insert. The thickness and the density of synthetic fibers that make up the "Biscuit" appear to be identical. The really cool thing for those of you who shoot different types of arrows is interchanging the biscuits with zero rest adjustments! The biscuit and its bracket have a 2" diameter milled slot that automatically centers the biscuit and allows you to replace the biscuit without having to re-tune. Remove one biscuit, replace it with another and poof! It just works! A beautiful thing!
The Biscuit locks into a receiver block which is identical for the "Original" and the "Drop Tine" model Whisker Biscuit. The difference between these two models is the extension arm that attaches to bow riser-mounting bracket. The Original is round extension arm and the Drop Tine is square. The Original is O.K but for the few extra bucks you'll appreciate the peace of mind of the square extension arm. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that square will not twist, round can twist off position. The "Deluxe" has a different and better-oriented biscuit receiver and has very convenient laser etched micro adjustment markings to help fine-tune the vertical gang adjustment. The chamfered square extension arm of the Deluxe nests securely into the riser mounting bracket which also uses laser etched micro markings to get your lateral adjustment just right. All models utilize the same small set screws to securely lock down the Biscuit. The real difference between the three Whisker Biscuit models is in how the Biscuit receiver places the Biscuit in the sighting window, how the extension arm (square or round) prevents twisting and how the extension arm attaches to your riser. In our minds how these three variables are integrated into each model is distinct in design and function.
The "Original" model is exactly that. The price point $34.99 allows you to have the fundamental of the Whisker Biscuit arrow holding design without the price tag of the other two models or the adjustability. We think that that it's worth the extra money to either go with the Drop Tine or Deluxe model. Clearly, at least from consumers prospective, this is the typical base price/feature trade off. However, if you own an older bow with shallow riser cutouts and need more centershot adjustment, the Original is a good choice when your choices for updating your equipment are limited. The round extension arm and very basic (aka not precise) adjustments makes the "Original" a reasonable product for most bows. We found that extension arm just kind of hangs out there in space and does not provide that "lock down, no can move" confidence most of us want when it comes to our arrow rests. The other major difference in the "Original" is the way in which the horizontal left/right rest adjustment works. It is basically a round shaped rod that clamps down with set screws. You'll need to keep an eye on this. After about 100 shots we found the force of the arrows and fletching passing through the "Biscuit" tended to slightly push the whole assembly forward in the direction of arrow travel, which, of course, changed the arrow level adjustment and subsequent shots. When we removed the Biscuit receiver block from the round extension shaft, twist marks were clearly visible on the extension shaft. Brass washers have since been added to the pinch bolts on all models to increase the holding force. The "Original" is only available in anodized black. We found the fit and finish of this model to be exemplary and without flaws.
The "Drop Tine" sits in the middle of the product line and as you would expect is priced in between the "Original" and the "Deluxe" at $44.99. There is no fancy name brand camo available, which only adds cost, but we found the pattern used to be more than acceptable. There is precious little surface area exposed to the wary eyes of the white tail in this relatively compact rest design anyway. The horizontal receiver arm is a square shaft that eliminates the possibility of the forward twisting we found in the "Original". Four hundred shots and a micrometer showed the rest didn't move a micron! We all felt the Drop Tine was easier to deal with and instilled more confidence than the straight-arm design of the Original. Call it a psychological thing, but dropping the mounting arm down and towards the archer's eye seemed a more ergonomic design as it tucked the whole rest into a more comfortable position. If you must have camo you must buy the "Drop Tine". For some weird and unexplained reason the "Drop Tine" is the only Whisker Biscuit available in camo. The "Original" and the "Deluxe" only come in anodized black.
The "Deluxe" is the way to go! Employing the same basic design as the "Drop Tine" this version of the Whisker Biscuit adds independent elevation adjustment, laser etched match marks, a two point anchoring system and cleaner lines. A while back in this review we said contemplating which model to go with is the classic "base price versus feature" trade off. Your wallet may need to be the determining factor but if it isn't, go past the "Original" and the "Drop Tine" and go straight for the "Deluxe". Is it worth the extra bucks? In our opinion the answer is an unequivocal yes! There is more fletching clearance with the "Deluxe" and it incorporates a unique mounting system that appears to be designed to fit most bows. The Biscuit receiver block is a sleeker design and the square chamfered extension shaft serves to adequately prevent twisting. Again, the "Deluxe" is only available in anodized black and no camo patterns are available.
For our test we used a Parker Ultra-Lite 31, a PSE Nova, and a Buckmasters G-2 XL. All three bows were set and tuned to AMO standards. Because Ike and his crew at Carolina Archery Products sent us two of each Whisker Biscuit model and included the carbon insert "Biscuit", we were able to interchange parts and rests on all our test bows quite easily. Each bow had a minimum of 300 arrows shot through them and in some instances 500 arrows. Each rest found a home on each of our three test bows. We used a professionally calibrated "Speed Tach" chronograph to measure arrow speed differentials and a Hooter Shooter to eliminate the human variable. We used Easton ACC's, Easton XX75 2513 tree trunks and Carbon Xpress carbons. Fletching ranged from feathers to Duravanes to stock Easton urethane vanes. Finally, all three (3) rests made it out into the field for several whitetail hunts in conditions that ranged from driving rain to snow to 40 degree autumn days.
Fletching Damage
Are you going to experience fletching damage after you've launched 300+ arrows through a Whisker Biscuit? Yes! But that will entirely depend on what kind of vanes you prefer. Vanes with rubber in them are easy to fletch since they accept the cyanoacrylic "crazy glues". They will snap back up when bent over but they will become wavy and eventually tear because they can stretch beyond the elastic range. You can tear them in half with your hands. The most wear resistant vanes recommended by Carolina Archery Products are Bohning and Flex-Fletch brands. These are urethane and they do not stretch or wrinkle. They last a real long time and you can't tear them apart. If you roll one over on a fletched arrow, they slowly bend back straight. They require more arrow and vane prep to get proper adhesion.
Here's where truth in advertising comes in handy. In the Whisker Biscuit Technical Product Guide, Carolina Archery Products says:
"Vanes will show wear after substantial use. Some brands more than others. Urethane vanes seem to be the most durable. After 30-50 shots a scalloped wear pattern will appear on the outer 1/8 inch of the die cut edge of feather fletching. This does not affect arrow flight. Nor does it progress beyond the initial wear in period."
Our exact findings! However, some notable exceptions should be mentioned. Prefabricated Easton arrows and vanes did get progressively worse as we approached the 300 shot mark. The scalloped edges got pretty wavy by the end of the test period. Some will argue the appearance of the fletching affects arrow flight. We concede there are probably subtle aerodynamic effects introduced when fletching is wavy versus perfectly straight, but, honestly, our findings suggest, out to 40 yards that this is not so.
Here's an important point: We ruined more fletching from arrows colliding with each other and tearing the fletching than we did using the Whisker Biscuit. The fletching damage is way overblown by competitors. Are vanes affected by the product? Sure. How could they not be? You are launching arrows through a device just big enough for the shaft. The synthetic fibers bristles are just flexible enough to let the vanes pass through but stiff enough to support the weight of the arrow and broadhead.
We found the break-in period of the Biscuit to be important to a more consistent shot. The synthetic fibers bristles of the biscuit seem to have a memory in the beginning of the break-in period. They bounce back into their original position more quickly when the product is brand new out of the box. After the 100 shot mark the bristles began to take on a visible set or a loss of memory. Think about the fibers in the bristle broom you use to sweep the floor. After a while the bristles are curved. Same thing happens with the Whisker Biscuit. Not to sound like a broken record but CAP (Carolina Archery Products) understands this and points this out in their literature. What's the worst-case scenario? The bristle wear bothers you and for $10.99 you buy another "Biscuit" insert. Whoop dee do! Once again, we found very little difference in arrow flight or accuracy out to 40 yards as this bristle wear set in. The key with the biscuit is making sure there is sufficient shaft to biscuit clearance. You want it more loose than tight. When we shot the 2315 tree trunks, shaft clearance became a problem. CAP anticipates the problem and has rest tuning instructions we followed. Problem solved. There is a misconception that the hole through the Whisker Biscuit touches the entire surface of the arrow shaft all the way around. Not true. At best, a properly tuned Whisker Biscuit actually only touches the bottom half of the arrow. You can and should see some daylight through the Biscuit opening on the top half of the arrow. The reason this is important to mention relates directly to that weird angle tree stand shot where your bow is twisting at an odd angle. Proper form goes out the window in order to get the shot off. The arrow shaft actually, ever so gently, rolls against the inside of the Biscuit hole and generally orients the arrow into the same relative pre-shot position. With a standard prong style rest you either don't take the shot or you use your index finger to stabilize the arrow.
Again, consider the fact this is a hunting rest. Consider how much preparation you do to prepare for your season and put things in perspective. The average archer will most likely never experience any of the observations we discovered unless you are specifically looking for them. The aggressive archer who spends months preparing and shoots hundreds of arrows has solutions available before he even gets started.
Noise
If there is sufficient shaft clearance, meaning you can see daylight at the top of the Biscuit hole, there is no noise. We really mean no noise! The only caveat that is true with all rests and all arrow shafts is that noise characteristics vary widely from shaft to shaft depending on coloration and composition. Large diameter aluminum camo shafts are the worst because the surface is very sensitive to dust and abrasion. Pull any shaft out of a target a few times and the problem gets better as the shaft surface abrades and gets worn smoother. Carbon shafts with a smooth semi-gloss finish are the quietest, but we all know even carbon shafts can be noisy depending on the carbon porosity. Adjusting the Biscuit to various shaft diameters is a 30 second adjustment. The Biscuit ring has a break designed into it. Remove the Biscuit from the receiver bracket, gently pull the Biscuit apart at this separation in the ring and you're in business. Once again, the competition wants you to believe the Whisker Biscuit is a noisy rest. Sorry, not so!
Freezing Biscuits
And no we don't mean the part of your body sitting on the tree stand seat!
We submerged the Biscuits in water, shook off the excess water and stuck them in a freezer for about 3 hours and then pulled them out. Not exactly scientific but certainly representative of the worst nature might throw at you. The Biscuit was frozen nearly solid. It's important to remember that since the bristles in the Biscuit are synthetic fibers they don't absorb water like nylon can. All we did to break the ice-free was gently push on the whiskers and out came all the ice. Let's face it; common sense plays a large part in the hunting experience. If you experienced an ice storm or freezing rain would you pay attention to the arrow shaft being coated in ice? If you didn't check your peep before a shot or worse your arrow shafts were coated with ice, you'd be in just as much in trouble as making sure your rest (whatever you use) was also unobstructed.
If you are worried about the Biscuit's performance in such late season conditions buy a can of "No Snow". According to the Material Safety Data Sheet provided by CAP, "No Snow" is an aerosol concoction of Heptane, Isobutane, Propane, Isopropanol (rubbing alcohol) and mineral spirits. Does it work? Hell yeah!
We repeated the same "soak the Biscuit in water" experiment. This time we liberally doused the Biscuit with "No Snow" prior to the deep freeze. After three hours there was surface frost on the eternal edges of the biscuit fibers but no ice. We pressed the biscuit fibers and a dusting of frost came out. "No Snow", by the way, is a great product for those of you who shoot feathers. Whatever you do don't soak the feathers in this spray but rather just lightly coat them. You'll find that in severe conditions of soaking rain and snow your feathers will tolerate the weather better.
Speed
Unless you're utilizing a drop away rest, whether you realize it or not, you're losing speed at the arrow rest. It's that simple. Some rests cost you more in speed than others but anytime the arrow comes in contact with a pre-launch surface the physics of friction and drag take over.
In the case of the Whisker Biscuit you lose more speed because not only is the arrow shaft coming in contact with a pre-launch surface, but the vanes at the tail end of the projectile are being restricted momentarily as they pass through the rest. It's all about the vane length, amount of helical twist, and vane composition when it comes to exactly how much speed you'll lose.
We used a BoDoodle TimberDoodle as our benchmark prong style rest. 3" urethane vanes lost a negligible 1-2 feet per second regardless of the bow. Four-inch vanes or feathers with a standard 1 to 2 degree helical lost about the same. We compared this benchmark with the Deluxe Whisker Biscuit. Our findings were precisely consistent with the CAP literature. Five inch fletching cost us 5 to 7 feet per second. Up the helical to 6 degrees and this is not the product for you! We lost a whopping 12 to 17 feet per second! It's only when you start lengthening the fletching to 5" that you really start to see an appreciable drop in arrow speed. This makes sense if you think about it, because the more of the fletching surface to come in contact with a drag-inducing surface, like the bristles of the Biscuit, the more likely you are to lose speed.
Once again, truth in advertising becomes important. No one at CAP or ArcheryWorld.com pretends you won't lose speed. You will! If speed is a big factor in your style of shooting you'll need to be aware of the limitations of this design when compared to the arrow set up you shoot. The Whisker Biscuit is not a product for everyone, but then again, nothing in the archery industry is!
Accuracy
With a Hooter Shooter as our guide, we tested all three rests at 20, 30 and 40 yards in our indoor test facility. With the exception of the "Original" which crept out of alignment after 100 shots, the "Drop Tine" and the "Deluxe" delivered bullet hole performance. We were shooting into the same holes from 40 yards, no problem. We found the competition claims that vane contact with the Biscuit affects flight to be bogus. Removing the human variable by using the Hooter Shooter disproved this claim.
Summary
When all things were considered we gave the Whisker Biscuit a 4.5 stars out of a possible 5 for a number of reasons. The company that manufactures the product is as honest as the day is long. That's got to count for something in this rough and tumble cut throat industry. The Whisker Biscuit is notably not a product that is all things to all archers. The product's perceived shortcomings are addressed openly, honestly, and factually by the manufacturer, Carolina Archery Products. If you want a no nonsense hunting rest that won't fail you at that moment of truth and removes an important anxiety inducing factor, then this is a product we feel confident won't let you down. If you are a speed freak versus an accuracy freak you'll need to pay attention to your arrow set up before you consider buying this rest.
There are no commercially available camo patterns available for any of the CAP product line. We're not big matching camo fanatics but for some this is a big deal. The "Original" is lacking in adjustment and we felt barely worthy of your consideration except the price does allow you to experience the Whisker Biscuit design. Solutions and options to these concerns would have meant a perfect 5.
When you balance all this against versatility, cost, function and the fact you can use the same rest to shoot your carbons or aluminum arrows we feel this is a solid product!
Visit the Carolina Archery Products website at www.carolinaarcheryprod.com

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Zrexpilot,

That review is for the older style (all black bristles) and not the newer brown and black ones. I agree the all black oneswill slow your arrow down more than the brown and black ones. I have chrono'd mine (new style) and found only a few fps difference. Not even enough to change my pins.

If the all black biscuit got a 4.5 out of 5 just think how the new biscuts would score. I would also like to add that it states very clearly (as I have) that this is a HUNTING rest.....and a good one at that;)

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Over 132 posts and 14 pages later............

Come on guy's ,....get over it !:eek:[:'(][:'(][:'(]

Some will,some won't,some do,some don't....bla bla bla !

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All these post take to long to read. So I havent been reading everything. I just wanna let everyone know that I Robin Hooded (split) one of my arrows today. I have a WB on my mathews.

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zrex I thought that was real intresting info. I had one of the all black Bisquits and when I hunted in the rain with it, which was often, I noticed my arrow would sag slightly in the brissels. I used to have to cover it.I've since gotten one of the new ones with the support brissels and the arrow slot for easy nocking! This new one REALLY holds up in the rain also. I would'nt use any other rest for hunting.:)

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The test was superficial at best. I've tested mine with over 200 days hunting with it, in all kinds of whether including below zero, freezing rain, sleet, snow, high wind, rain and once in while, nice weather. It performs great in all conditions that I've used it in. His test with the bucket of water and the freezer is rediculous. Take any accessory, do the same, and it will fail. In a real world ice storm, it will work fine. I know, because I've experienced it.

Also, did you read the test? Some quotes from it.....

Even with the reviewer's very limited time with the rest, he could tell it was a good hunting rest. Those of us who have spent many dozens of days actually using it, know it to be a great hunting rest.

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BigJ12... No, I don't like the whisker bisquit. I'm not biased though, according to yourdefinition,because I do NOT take every opportunity to bash the things. I'm usually quite content to totally ignore the wb threads. This is the first wb thread in several years where I've actually gotten down on this overglorified battery terminal cleaner.[8D]I onlygot into itthistime to make a point. I was just waiting for one of you guys to get it. Straightarrow doesn't count because I PM'd him early on and let him in on it.

What's totally hilarious (while pretty sad, at the same time) is, most of 'em still haven't gotten it. Even after I explicitly TOLD them what I was up to.

Anyway, you win this reading skills and comprehension test. Remind me to give you your cigar if we ever get a chance to meet.:)

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Now THAT is funny!

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REGRET THE PRONG REST!!!!!

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Arthur,

I apologize, I accused you of the very thing I was trying to clear my name of. I did like the "overglorified Battery terminal cleaner" line though.:D

Yeah, I dont think most caught it.

I have a cigar with your name on it as well, and I hope someday we will meet.However, we would probably need a few cigars becauseI wouldhave a zillion archery questions to ask you.

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After reading all the info I can find on the WB, and reading as many posts as possible both on this forum and others it really seems as though the WB is a great overall rest, and if you don't like it, there must be something wrong with you.

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Yea!!!

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I think the WB is a decent rest that can work very well for some hunters. The main thing is finding a good vane that can can take the friction. Flex Fletch would be a good choice. There is a lot of people using this rest that love it so there must be soemthing to it!

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I got no regrets from using the whisker biscuit.

I've got a thirty-plus year collection of rests with prongs, flippers, wheels, and springs thatI was able to tune, but they all were susceptible to bending and going out of tune, or needing immediate maintainence to keep from ripping the fletching off the arrow.

The whisker biscuit has been remarkably accurate and it stays in tune. Its the first rest I have seen that actually works better the more it is shot.

In a world full of things that seem to be designed with planned obsolescence in mind it is refreshing to see something that is designed to work the way it is supposed to for a real long time.

Good luck hunting! >>>------------>

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A flipper rest with fingers is ten times better then a WB.

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Ya ya ya whatever.

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Yeah thats why flipper rests are outselling WBs 10 to 1 for compound bows these days huh? Lord have mercy. Ignorance is bliss.

Tell you what Z. You bring a flipper rest equiped bow and your finger tab. I'll bring my hunting bow with a B2 WB on it. We will have a little shooting match from say 55 yards. Now since I'll be using the godawful WB which doesn't allow my arrow to oscillate freely and you will have the free to oscillate vastly superior flipper rest then I should have no prayer of winning. Tightest 6 shot group wins. Loser pays 500 bucks to the winner. Hell according to you and Authur my WB will bend after the 3rd shot. None of my arrows will hit the target because their fletching will be torn off as they pass through the WB. The oscillating contact with the WB as my arrow leaves will throw my arrows into at least 4 different zip codes. How can you lose? Come on Z money talks and bull###t walks. I would love to show you how pitiful my bow shoots from this distance. The look on your psuedointellectual face would be priceless as you hand over the cash. Take me up on it.

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How bout this we have an all out tourney Fliipers versus WB at 50 Yards.Well bringour Compunds with a WB and double the bet lets say to $1000, lets see who is better.

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OK
But Byron Ferguson gets to be on my team

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Sure, but I want Jim Despart, shooting his WB on mine.

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I can't believe you guys are still falling for this crap. :eek: People are yankin' your chain on purpose and you guys keep buying into it. Do yourselves a favor and just let this thread die.

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Bowtech S#$ks!

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Matthews S#$ks!

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PSE S#$ks!

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Muzzy S#$ks!

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..............:D:D:D:D:D

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I love my whisker Bisquet[:-]

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My WB and Muzzys did the job lastnight. Complete passthrough deer only ran 25 yards and dropped, nice sized doe.

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I don't know about the vanes, but when i talked to my local archer store, he said he wouldn't get them cause it can slow your arrow down. Don't know if he's right, but i didn't buy it then.