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Who made up that rule? Actually, it doesn't matter. They were wrong.

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Some "rules" were meant to be broken.



I don't think that there is a safer rest for anyone to learn to shoot a bow with than the Whisker Biscuit.

I believe the law of averagescan eventually catch up with the most experienced hunter and he may drop an arrow from a treestand and get injured by that same arrow. The likelyhood of dropping an arrow off the bow when using a Whisker Biscuit is greatly reduced.

I have found the Whisker Biscuit to be the quietest rest as well.

The only problem that I have with the Whisker Biscuit is that I cannot see through it!

But for accuracy, ease of tuning and staying in tune, durability and reliability nothing else comes close to the Whisker Biscuit.

Good luck hunting! >>>------------>

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Biggest gimmick in bowhunting- whisker biscuit, and anything with the name Limb Saver on it.

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:D:D:DNow that's funny!! I don't recall seeing the name Limb Saver on products such as the deer view mirror orgumoflage!!

Limb Saver products are such "gimmicks" that even the bow manufacturers are being fooled by them. Yeah Right!!

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Actually , I don't see how a rest can be any quieter than a prong rest , or in my case the MZE , with mole hair on the launcher arm(s).
I like the WB , but it's definately not the quietest rest out there , not even a close 2nd.

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Hmmmmmm, sighhhhhhhh.......

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So have you got your Limb saver doughnut for your rifle yet ?

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Nope, but I've got the limb saver recoil pad on my largest rifle, and there is not doubt it makes a HUGE difference in felt recoil, fits like a factory recoil pad and I would highly recommend it to anyone that has a large caliber rifle that they don't like shooting because of heavy recoil!!

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I thought it was pretty much universal that archers recognized that LimbSavers reduced vibration. To me, it's so easy to detect the difference between a bow with no vibration dampener and one with a LimbSaver on it. I'm surprised that anyone thinks they're a gimmick. They may be overpriced and over-hyped, but they're hardly a gimmick.

I have tendonitis in my bow arm's elbow and shoulder. When I use to shoot a bare bow without limbsavers (several years ago), I was in quite a bit of pain when shooting my typical 300-400 shots per week. After adding the LimbSavers, not only was the bow much quieter, with less vibration, but the pain from shooting was gone within two weeks. Gimmick? If so, I hope more gimmicks like that one make it to the market.

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It's been a while since a Whisker Biscuit post got things going like this. Nice to see you stirring things up again, Arthur.:D

My main hunting bow has a drop away rest, the backup has a biscuit on it. I guess I should make an appointment with a "shrink", but I have little enough time to hunt as it is.[&:]

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Posted to the wrong thread.[&:]

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I have used a WB on my hunting bows for 3 years. I have no problems with them. I see no change in accuracy out to 65 yards which is well beyond the range I would shoot at a deer anyway. But then I shoot with good form. If you don't shoot with good form and you need to buy a drop away rest to help mask that shortcoming then so be it. Just don't try to say that we all need to do it.

The new B2 WB on my bows don't damage my fletchings but then my bows are welltuned. I've been shooting the same 6 practice arrows for a year without refletching them. They are not wavy or torn. If you can tune a bow they will not damage your fletchings. If you can't tune a bow then maybe you should learn or take up golf or tennis instead. As for even some pro's at pro shops having trouble setting up a WB on a bow? Well I've met some supposed pro shop experts that I wouldn't let tie a string loop on my bow much less set it up completely. Pro shops are just as infiltrated with incompetent jackasses that THINK they know what they are doing as the rest of society.

I love the fact that as atreestand hunter I can lay my bow across my lap without the arrow rattling around the riser. Why lay it across my lap? For close quick minimal movement access when a deer approaches. No reaching up to take my bow off a metal bow hanger risking a click or clang asI do it. No bow rocking back and forthas it hangsfrom that bow hanger on a windy day. No moving parts. No drop away rest cords tied to your string. The arrow is always where you need it to be. It is a very worry free hunting rest.

I particualrly love how everytime a WB thread pops up the same two people who have never used one show up to tell those of us who do use them why we are wrong about WB rests. What's wrong with that picture? So I say Arthur, Z... why waste your time looking ridiculous on just WB threads? I say branch out and diverisfy your lack of knowledge. Pick another topic like Brain Sugery and go find a neurosurgeon and argue with him that you know a better way than him to do a frontal lobotomy. I mean why spend all your time fighting with more knowledgable people on only one of the many topics that you know nothing about?

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Something else I've observed... When someone doesn't have an adequate counter-argument to debate an issue, they often resort to ridicule and personal attacks.

We haven't even discussed how easy it is to bend the arm that holds the bisquit on a wb. I've seen several that were bent.

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Isn't that the truth!!

Todd1700
You've got to be kidding!:eek:

I still prefer my drop away!:D

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I also had the WB, after about 100-150 shots my fletchings were flying off the damn arrow. I followed all tuning suggestions I was provided. I have since switched to DZ drop away and it is by far a much better rest. It took a bit longer to tune the DZ but in the end it is a far better rest.

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I have a W.B. on my hunting bow and will always have one on my hunting setups.I also have the quicktune 3000 and it is a better rest for shooting targets but the W.B. is perfect for my hunting needs.

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Are you sure ? That rest cant possibly be any good , specially with all those moving parts. LOL!
I shoot the same rest and never even tuned my bow. Set it up with the proper tools and went out and started drilling them at 30 and 40 yds. Oh and my field points and broadheads hit the same.Thats with doing nothing but an initial setup. Best rest ever made, super quiet too. Nothing like that sound of fletching smashing into aWB at 270fps.

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been shooting my biscuit for 2 years with same arrows and feathers - some arrows over 200 shots - they are a bit rough on the edges but still work fine and fly fine.

as for not having a counter arguement - simple point is, if properly tuned and set up, they work excellent and the "proof" comes from the many that use them. those who haven't have nothing to "argue". those that have and didn't like them - sh*t happens and they are definitely not for everyone

I like mine

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Exactly. Just like shooting a shooting a selfbow and using your knuckle for a rest is not for everyone.

So, why is it you wb guys get somad about it when someone says they don't like them, and goes on to explain their reasons? Selfbow shooters don't get mad because some peoplewould rather shoot an artificialbow made from metal and plastic instead of real wood. It's not for everybody, so lighten up and get over it.

Artificial bow...?? Did I say that? Darn. Now I'm gonna have all the compound guys mad at me too.[8D][8D][8D]

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It might have something to do with the fact that some that argue so hard against the product that they have never used.;) For every negative point that is brought up about the WB, there is a fix, a simple fix at that. BUT instead of fixing the problem, some choose to talk crap about the product instead of sucking up to the fact that they weren't smart enough to fix the problem, that never existed, or changing thier hard headed ways and try something new. And lets face it, there aren't many products that don't have negative issues, but can be fixed if one trys to, but it is easier to change to a different product and talk smack about the other product.

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Speaking only for myself, I'm don't get angry, though it may seem that way with a computer screen that has the reader substituting emotion where there is none.

I don't mind a person not liking the WB or switching to another rest and preferring it. On the other hand, I don't like myths being perpetuated about a good product. The only way I can let other hunters know that it's worth trying, is to explain my arguments as to why I believe it is such a good rest for a hunter. I like to explain how the problems people encounter are easy to overcome, if you know what to do. The debate seems to get heated, not when someone explains why it didn't work for them, or why they don't like it, but when someone decides to belittle those who use it or exagerate the problems one may encounter. I see an awful lot of that and it reminds of the bow brand wars - which are absolutely rediculous in my view.

My reasons choosing a particular rest are very clear in my mind, but I don't expect others to think like I do. Nothing wrong with shooting off your knuckle, if that is what turns you on! I do it myself, when the mood hits. Obviously, if someone tries a WB, they are interested in the benefits of a full capture rest. When they have problems, it serves no purpose to call the WB junk and act incredulous that anyone would even try such a contraption. What helps, is to see if we can get it working well for them. If not, then let them move on.

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Or they were too smarttokeep onbeating their head against a brick wall andknew when to change to something else. And you're right, there aren't many products out there that don't have their negative issues. But very few products have such a fanatical following that people can't honestly list those issues without having doubts cast on their intelligence,parentage or morals by the true believers.

One shouldn't have to face the Spanish Inquisition just because he doesn't like a particular arrow rest, no matter how popular it might be.

(Made it to 7 pages. Goin' fer 8!)

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I agree with you there. I find it distasteful, no matter what side of the debate it comes from, and there is no doubt that it comes from both sides.

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Something I've noticed is that people who have never used a product rarely know enough about it to have an opinion thats worth more than used toilet paper. That's what I've noticed.

No I'm not. You explain exactly what the advantage of a dropaway is then? Want me to? It's to get the arrowclear of any rest contact faster so that minor glitches in form have less effect on the shot. If you shoot with good form then this is a none issue at any reasonable hunting distance.



Amen, some people have such a high opinion of themselves they want you to follow their advice even when the topic being discussed is one they have no experience in. Arthur and Zare so high on themselves I imagine that they save all their bowel movements and try to sell them at a roadside booth. They are both probably mystified as to why no wants to buy it. It'sreally sad actually.

Because most of what you say is BS for starters, based on no personal experience secondlyand finally you are completely unable to separate facts from opinions.

Exactly. Look around and see how many threads get started here every day by some person whose broadheads aren't hitting the same place as his field tips and he can't understand why. Invoking Arthurs logic I would have to tell that person that their particular brand of bow justcan't be made toshoot broadheads and field tips together. Arthurs Solution? Buy a different bow.

Now me on the other hand, I'm going to assume (correctly) that the guys bow isn't tuned. Why because I have tunedmany of them in my 40 yearsof life for friends and family and never found one yet that could not be made to group FT's and BH's together.

It's the same with some guy that comes on here and says he shot an arrow through a WB a few times and it's already trashed the fletchings. Again arthur is going to say buy a new rest. Me I am going to again assume (correctly again) that the guy either has it set up wrong or his bow is badly mistuned. Why? Because I, unlike Arthur, have set up at least 2 dozen of the WB's on peoples bows and have seen first hand that when properly installed on a well tuned bow they work excellently and do not destroy fletchings.

There is a bigdifference between knowing what you are talking about and just talking like you know.

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Possibly, but that would be far from the first step. There's a whole mess of stuff to look at first. I sure wouldn't waste a day's worth of time wrestling with one rest though.

Not all accessories are a real good match with all bows. The whole thing is a unit and if one part of it doesn't work with the rest, then the whole thing doesn't work properly. You gotta experiment to find the right combination, not be so muleheaded that you grit your teeth and try to force stuff to work together.

However, just like arrow rests, not all bows are a good fit for all people. Maybe the gripisn't ergonomic for thebow's owner. The draw length might be too short or too long. Maybe he'd do better with a lower or higher letoff. People can adapt to machines to a certain degree, but there are limitations.

I can tell you for a fact I probably wouldn't even consider looking at the same bow you shoot, much less buy one,and I don't even know what it is. Odds are very high it doesn't even come in my draw length.

I can sit comfortably in a Mini Coop, but don't have any head room in a GMC pickup, odd as that might seem. Which would I choose tomake a hundred mile tripin if given my choice? Duh.

Same thing with bows, sights and arrow rests. If it doesn't fit you, you're never going to be comfortable and you're never going to shoot well.

I challenge you to disprove, in 100% of all cases, any point I've made on this thread about the WB. THEN you can talk smack.

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Nor do I. I do not work for or own any stock in the company.

Exactly like the following gems from Arthur.

Didn't Arthur chastise me for making these debates about personal attacks. Hmmm, looks like he implied WB's are for Klutzs on page 2.

Meaningless overstated hyperbole. Poor bowhunters are being beaten with sticks and made to buy WB rests against their will by mean Pro shops bribed by Carolina Archery. This is the kind of meaningless crappola that gets people pissed.

2 fps tops. But I guess a master like yourself can notice a severe performance difference due to the loss of that 2 fps. :eek:

Not if properly set up.

Outright lie!

Hmmm, more personal attacks on WB users. Dang Arthur I thought you were morally above that. And yet he wonders why people get pissed at him.

Proof from his own mouth that he's basically just a s##t disturber.

First name one rest on earth that can't under some circumstance be bent? Then do a search at this website and see how many threads have been dedicated to the serious bending problem of WB rests. Cause I've never seen such a threadat all. Never bentone myself or had someone I know bend a WB yet either. These are the kind of Myth creating comments that also anger people.

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I tried shooting off my knuckle. It messed up my fletchings and I had to use too many band aids. Switched to another rest and my artificial bow is shooting much better.[8D]

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Todd1700,
This is your opinion and I respect that.

In my opinion,If there is any inconsistance in form,it will affect your shot reguardless of which rest you use.

The reason I shoot a drop away is that it gives no-resistance
no matter how small the resistance is.
Like you said "It's to get the arrowclear of any rest contact faster !"
Plain and Simple.

I do think the WB.. IS a good product,but it could use a little improvement.

NOTHING is without flaw!

like maybe leaving asmall space open for vane pass through(like little v's
cut within the circle for the vanes to pass through without contact with
the "wiskers")
My dad and I experimented with one how I described,and he simply loves it!!
Without the friction,it added somewhere around 5-10fps and grouped at least 1" closer!
I know it aint much but when your as anal as we are....well....:eek:
And guess what, no chance of vanes getting ripped off by pass through either ;)

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dang,forgot what i wanted to say[>:]

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Todd1700
YOU MAY NOW TALK SMACK

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I've been shooting a WB since 2001. I used it on a Bear Silverback, then switched it over to my LX. No problems...at all. I think this rest is the best hunting rest on the market. Before you flame me....and I'm sure someone will....I have used TM Hunters, the old flipper rests, heck even had an over draw on one old bow.None held a candle IMO to the WB My dad is using the NAP Quicktune 360 on his bow...similar style containment rest, but I'll take the WB any day of the week.

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Well I have a whisker biscuit on all of my bows and except for the first one (which was corrected) I never had any fletching wear. Maybe I have "magical" biscuits, or maybe I set it up right.

With the first one I had no idea how to set it up. I just put it on the bow and made suremy arrow was level.I immediatelynoticed wavy vanes after about 10 shots. I am just an average archer and hunter, not a shop owner,I don't evenhave a bow press, so I'm not some "expert" but, I have common sense and know how to read.

So I did some research on line and found that if you are shooting a biscuit it's best to start with an even tiller (easy to do) true center shot (again easy to do) and a 90 deg. nock for a perfect level arrow(once again easy to do) and go from there. The only other thing is to make sure the biscuit itself is level (and yes once more that too is easy to do)

Well I then did a paper tune and had perfect hole. So far so good I thought, so I skipped the next steps and went straight to sighting in my field tips. Once that was done I tested fixed broadheads (Thunder Heads and Montecs) Guess what? they both flew like my field tips out to 40 yds. What more can you ask for from a hunting set up?

The only other thing I did was put on Vane tech vanes because the vanes I had on my arrows were wavy from the first biscuit set up. Since then no problems at all. That was only 6 arrows (practice) the other ones still had the original vanes on them as they were the ones I used for hunting. I have since switched them as my practice arrows and they are still in good shapeafter hundreds of shots through them.

SO.......I have a simple question. Did I just get lucky and buy three Whisker Biscuits that are easy on vanes or did I set up the rest correctly and thus am getting good results from it?

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HEY!!!!! I'M TEARING UP MY FLETCHINGS TOO!!! only b/c i keep hitting the previous arrows i already shot;)

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I would think its a lot more than 2fps, a simple nock is 2 fps, a peep sight is 3-5 fps. i would think it's more like 10fps slower.

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I personally don't care who likes a wb ,who uses a wb and who doesn,t.I'm just here to say the Zero effect is just that.Not connect by strings but a ridget arm, connected to cables which when drawn would break any ice build up.no moving parts just pevoit points.It seems to me none of you know anyone who shoots one,but it's only a matter of time before you all have one[8D]

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How in the world can this be. If something pivots on something else, something is moving:D

Oh whereare my manners, Welcome to the boards:D

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Thanks Howler , It's a interesting board , but if that point is all you can comment on then the rest of my post is solid and likly to come true.

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This is not likely to come true for me, no matter how much you think it will, because I am very, no make that, VERY HAPPY with my WB! Thanks anyways!!!

So, ya gotta admit that if there is a pivot point, there is movement!!!;)

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and we as humans just dont have the technology to make anything with moving parts reliable.
hahaha !
aint buying that.

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I chrono'd mine before and after the biscuit. I lost on average 3fps:eek:The low was 1fps the high was 4fps. I didn't even change my pins.

Anyone?