chessie or lab?
10-19-2006 | 11:30 AM
#41
Typical Buck
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RE: chessie or lab?
Some good advice here but also alot of pure and simple b.s. and wives tales.
Just do your homework and you'll find a dog, Chessie or Lab that you'll be happy with. Either breed are outstanding dogs IMH0 if you do your part prior to purchasing and a little TLC and patience with training.
As far as Labs being #1 in dog bites , it does make sense being they are the #1 dog being registered and the overall popularity of the breed and the dogs that don't get registered. Don't get you knicker in a bunch , it's like saying a chevy or fordare prone to accidents. If you sell 3 million of them and they are involved in more accidents it's only logical. If you sold 1000 Mazzerati's and 999 were involved in accidents the chevy and ford would still come out way ahead.
Just do your homework and you'll find a dog, Chessie or Lab that you'll be happy with. Either breed are outstanding dogs IMH0 if you do your part prior to purchasing and a little TLC and patience with training.
As far as Labs being #1 in dog bites , it does make sense being they are the #1 dog being registered and the overall popularity of the breed and the dogs that don't get registered. Don't get you knicker in a bunch , it's like saying a chevy or fordare prone to accidents. If you sell 3 million of them and they are involved in more accidents it's only logical. If you sold 1000 Mazzerati's and 999 were involved in accidents the chevy and ford would still come out way ahead.
10-19-2006 | 09:52 PM
#43
Typical Buck
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RE: chessie or lab?
Chessie or Lab? How many Chessie NFC or even FC have there been in the last fifty years? There is a very good arugment to be made why labs dominate the field trials. The argument "well there are so many more labs" doesn't wash. Asked yourself,"why is that"? DUH!
10-20-2006 | 09:30 AM
#44
Fork Horn
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RE: chessie or lab?
Congratulations on the MH title on your dog.....not an easy feat. Your assessment of Chessies, however, is questionable. You've come to some conclusions based on one dog you owned many years ago. What if that dog had been a Lab with those same traits?
There are probably more misconceptions and myths about Chessies being perpetuated today than any of the retriever breeds. I didn't own a Chessie 30 or 40 years ago and I didn't see very many around to evaluate, so all I know is what I see today. As I've stated before, I breed Chessies. I have 3 of them at the moment. I have my male available at stud, so I've had a couple other Chessies here for breeding. An outfitter here in town has used nothing but Chessies for over 20 years. I haven't talked to him lately, but the last I knew he had 3. A good friend of mine currently has 2 and has had others that are now gone. I'm not a big time breeder....I have an occassional litter. Looking at my records, I've placed 41 pups over the past 5 years. So, that is the history that I base my evaluation of today's Chessie on.........approximately 50 dogs, give or take.
My Chessies are primarily from Field lines. There are some dual champions in their pedigrees and a few Show Champions....the pedigrees are typical of most any you will see from well bred Chessies used in the field today. Dogs such as DC Dilywn Stacked Decks, CH AFC Caroway's Wild Goose Chase, DC Westwind Rudy of Nordais, etc. dominate the pedigrees.
I've placed pups with a wide range of people. Most have gone to hunters and the majority of those were hunters who had just lost a Chessie or who had an old dog and were needing to start a new pup. I've placed a few with non-hunters who wanted a dog to go hiking and fishing with....family companion type of dog. I've placed several with women and a couple with young boys (around 12 years old) as their first hunting dog.
What I've seen from the Chessies I've owned and what I've heard from the people I've placed pups with is quite contrary to the myths and stories most of us have heard and read about Chessies. I've yet to see or hear of any of these dogs being aggressive. Not one. They are not tall and lanky, or short and stocky.....they are well built, athletic dogs. They are a slower developing dog than a Lab.They do not fully mature until they are about 2 1/2 to 3 years old from what I've seen. My dogs get along well with other dogs. I also have 4 Springers. I exercise all 7 dogs together twice a day. I've never had my Chessies get in a fight, although I've had two of my Springers nearly kill each other!!! Anyone can come to myhouse and not worry about my Chessies. We have a lot of visitors when we have pups and have never had a problem.
My Chessies are sensitive and very persistent. When you combine those two traits you can get a dog that is very stubborn....Yes, they will quit on you if you use too much force. Most people treat stubborness with force, which is the exact opposite of what you should do. You will find that many Chessie breeders are women. I think a woman's touch is what works best with a Chessie. Chessies are not for everyone. If a person is in a hurry, want's a dog that will be out there hunting at 7 or 8 months of age, etc. they will be better off with something other than a Chessie.
Are all Chessies from "my" lines like this? I have no idea....all I can base things on are the 50 or so that I've known. I have no idea what a Chessie from straight Show lines would be like as I've never seen one first hand. Here are my Chessies....
There are probably more misconceptions and myths about Chessies being perpetuated today than any of the retriever breeds. I didn't own a Chessie 30 or 40 years ago and I didn't see very many around to evaluate, so all I know is what I see today. As I've stated before, I breed Chessies. I have 3 of them at the moment. I have my male available at stud, so I've had a couple other Chessies here for breeding. An outfitter here in town has used nothing but Chessies for over 20 years. I haven't talked to him lately, but the last I knew he had 3. A good friend of mine currently has 2 and has had others that are now gone. I'm not a big time breeder....I have an occassional litter. Looking at my records, I've placed 41 pups over the past 5 years. So, that is the history that I base my evaluation of today's Chessie on.........approximately 50 dogs, give or take.
My Chessies are primarily from Field lines. There are some dual champions in their pedigrees and a few Show Champions....the pedigrees are typical of most any you will see from well bred Chessies used in the field today. Dogs such as DC Dilywn Stacked Decks, CH AFC Caroway's Wild Goose Chase, DC Westwind Rudy of Nordais, etc. dominate the pedigrees.
I've placed pups with a wide range of people. Most have gone to hunters and the majority of those were hunters who had just lost a Chessie or who had an old dog and were needing to start a new pup. I've placed a few with non-hunters who wanted a dog to go hiking and fishing with....family companion type of dog. I've placed several with women and a couple with young boys (around 12 years old) as their first hunting dog.
What I've seen from the Chessies I've owned and what I've heard from the people I've placed pups with is quite contrary to the myths and stories most of us have heard and read about Chessies. I've yet to see or hear of any of these dogs being aggressive. Not one. They are not tall and lanky, or short and stocky.....they are well built, athletic dogs. They are a slower developing dog than a Lab.They do not fully mature until they are about 2 1/2 to 3 years old from what I've seen. My dogs get along well with other dogs. I also have 4 Springers. I exercise all 7 dogs together twice a day. I've never had my Chessies get in a fight, although I've had two of my Springers nearly kill each other!!! Anyone can come to myhouse and not worry about my Chessies. We have a lot of visitors when we have pups and have never had a problem.
My Chessies are sensitive and very persistent. When you combine those two traits you can get a dog that is very stubborn....Yes, they will quit on you if you use too much force. Most people treat stubborness with force, which is the exact opposite of what you should do. You will find that many Chessie breeders are women. I think a woman's touch is what works best with a Chessie. Chessies are not for everyone. If a person is in a hurry, want's a dog that will be out there hunting at 7 or 8 months of age, etc. they will be better off with something other than a Chessie.
Are all Chessies from "my" lines like this? I have no idea....all I can base things on are the 50 or so that I've known. I have no idea what a Chessie from straight Show lines would be like as I've never seen one first hand. Here are my Chessies....
10-20-2006 | 10:25 AM
#45
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From: west tenn
RE: chessie or lab?
That was a good post tonka and nice to read ,the past few days a few of us have had alot of different oppinions about are dogs .as we all know there can be a bad one in every breed .But i think you have got your chessies going in a good direction they are some good looking dogs very stout looking.If i was to ever consider trying your breed i would definently want to talk to you again.Sounds like your blood line is great. p.s. HE CAN REALLY JUMP THAT FENCE THATS A COOL PICTURE. THANKS FOR SHAREING THEM.
10-20-2006 | 11:26 AM
#46
Fork Horn
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From: Montana
RE: chessie or lab?
Thanks there Swamp Rooster... Like one gundog writer once wrote (can't remember who), "there are very few bad dogs, but there are a lot of bad owners".My problem is that I like all of the breeds and I'd love to own a good one from each breed, but life is too short to fit them all in. 
10-28-2006 | 09:38 PM
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Giant Nontypical
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From: PA.
RE: chessie or lab?
ORIGINAL: Ruddyduck
Some good advice here but also alot of pure and simple b.s. and wives tales.
Just do your homework and you'll find a dog, Chessie or Lab that you'll be happy with. Either breed are outstanding dogs IMH0 if you do your part prior to purchasing and a little TLC and patience with training.
As far as Labs being #1 in dog bites , it does make sense being they are the #1 dog being registered and the overall popularity of the breed and the dogs that don't get registered. Don't get you knicker in a bunch , it's like saying a chevy or fordare prone to accidents. If you sell 3 million of them and they are involved in more accidents it's only logical. If you sold 1000 Mazzerati's and 999 were involved in accidents the chevy and ford would still come out way ahead.
Some good advice here but also alot of pure and simple b.s. and wives tales.
Just do your homework and you'll find a dog, Chessie or Lab that you'll be happy with. Either breed are outstanding dogs IMH0 if you do your part prior to purchasing and a little TLC and patience with training.
As far as Labs being #1 in dog bites , it does make sense being they are the #1 dog being registered and the overall popularity of the breed and the dogs that don't get registered. Don't get you knicker in a bunch , it's like saying a chevy or fordare prone to accidents. If you sell 3 million of them and they are involved in more accidents it's only logical. If you sold 1000 Mazzerati's and 999 were involved in accidents the chevy and ford would still come out way ahead.
i saw 2 mix labs the other day and they were real nice..i then saw 3 labs,1 choc, i blk ,1 yellow,full breed from a registered breeder..the only one that would not bite you was the yellow female..the other 2 were males..
i really believe that they are breeding dogs they should not..i went to breeder after friends lab bit people..he said breeder commented that the mother would bite..after i went to talk to him, he said, no mother does not bite..
i asked to see her, he let me..i could see why she acted that way,she had TERRITORIAL AGGRESSION..if she is on leash and cant run away, i could see she could bite..he left her off the leash ,i knew she would not bite then..
that dog should not have been bred..its happening and as said above, there are so many labs that biting numbers are up..
i do believe a biting lab can be made to not bite if they are given time and kept out of certain situations,but it takes a lot of watching..
most rec they be put down but i seen labs get better with age..
10-28-2006 | 09:46 PM
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Giant Nontypical
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From: PA.
RE: chessie or lab?
only thing i ever saw on CHESSIES is they like to do WATER FREAKING..some of labs do it too.. i used to put a rope on our chessies to train in water as they water freak a lot..
they like water so much they just go bonkers,some labs water freak too..other than that they are tough dog,no girliedog there..
they like water so much they just go bonkers,some labs water freak too..other than that they are tough dog,no girliedog there..
ORIGINAL: tatonka
Congratulations on the MH title on your dog.....not an easy feat. Your assessment of Chessies, however, is questionable. You've come to some conclusions based on one dog you owned many years ago. What if that dog had been a Lab with those same traits?
There are probably more misconceptions and myths about Chessies being perpetuated today than any of the retriever breeds. I didn't own a Chessie 30 or 40 years ago and I didn't see very many around to evaluate, so all I know is what I see today. As I've stated before, I breed Chessies. I have 3 of them at the moment. I have my male available at stud, so I've had a couple other Chessies here for breeding. An outfitter here in town has used nothing but Chessies for over 20 years. I haven't talked to him lately, but the last I knew he had 3. A good friend of mine currently has 2 and has had others that are now gone. I'm not a big time breeder....I have an occassional litter. Looking at my records, I've placed 41 pups over the past 5 years. So, that is the history that I base my evaluation of today's Chessie on.........approximately 50 dogs, give or take.
My Chessies are primarily from Field lines. There are some dual champions in their pedigrees and a few Show Champions....the pedigrees are typical of most any you will see from well bred Chessies used in the field today. Dogs such as DC Dilywn Stacked Decks, CH AFC Caroway's Wild Goose Chase, DC Westwind Rudy of Nordais, etc. dominate the pedigrees.
I've placed pups with a wide range of people. Most have gone to hunters and the majority of those were hunters who had just lost a Chessie or who had an old dog and were needing to start a new pup. I've placed a few with non-hunters who wanted a dog to go hiking and fishing with....family companion type of dog. I've placed several with women and a couple with young boys (around 12 years old) as their first hunting dog.
What I've seen from the Chessies I've owned and what I've heard from the people I've placed pups with is quite contrary to the myths and stories most of us have heard and read about Chessies. I've yet to see or hear of any of these dogs being aggressive. Not one. They are not tall and lanky, or short and stocky.....they are well built, athletic dogs. They are a slower developing dog than a Lab.They do not fully mature until they are about 2 1/2 to 3 years old from what I've seen. My dogs get along well with other dogs. I also have 4 Springers. I exercise all 7 dogs together twice a day. I've never had my Chessies get in a fight, although I've had two of my Springers nearly kill each other!!! Anyone can come to myhouse and not worry about my Chessies. We have a lot of visitors when we have pups and have never had a problem.
My Chessies are sensitive and very persistent. When you combine those two traits you can get a dog that is very stubborn....Yes, they will quit on you if you use too much force. Most people treat stubborness with force, which is the exact opposite of what you should do. You will find that many Chessie breeders are women. I think a woman's touch is what works best with a Chessie. Chessies are not for everyone. If a person is in a hurry, want's a dog that will be out there hunting at 7 or 8 months of age, etc. they will be better off with something other than a Chessie.
Are all Chessies from "my" lines like this? I have no idea....all I can base things on are the 50 or so that I've known. I have no idea what a Chessie from straight Show lines would be like as I've never seen one first hand. Here are my Chessies....
Congratulations on the MH title on your dog.....not an easy feat. Your assessment of Chessies, however, is questionable. You've come to some conclusions based on one dog you owned many years ago. What if that dog had been a Lab with those same traits?
There are probably more misconceptions and myths about Chessies being perpetuated today than any of the retriever breeds. I didn't own a Chessie 30 or 40 years ago and I didn't see very many around to evaluate, so all I know is what I see today. As I've stated before, I breed Chessies. I have 3 of them at the moment. I have my male available at stud, so I've had a couple other Chessies here for breeding. An outfitter here in town has used nothing but Chessies for over 20 years. I haven't talked to him lately, but the last I knew he had 3. A good friend of mine currently has 2 and has had others that are now gone. I'm not a big time breeder....I have an occassional litter. Looking at my records, I've placed 41 pups over the past 5 years. So, that is the history that I base my evaluation of today's Chessie on.........approximately 50 dogs, give or take.
My Chessies are primarily from Field lines. There are some dual champions in their pedigrees and a few Show Champions....the pedigrees are typical of most any you will see from well bred Chessies used in the field today. Dogs such as DC Dilywn Stacked Decks, CH AFC Caroway's Wild Goose Chase, DC Westwind Rudy of Nordais, etc. dominate the pedigrees.
I've placed pups with a wide range of people. Most have gone to hunters and the majority of those were hunters who had just lost a Chessie or who had an old dog and were needing to start a new pup. I've placed a few with non-hunters who wanted a dog to go hiking and fishing with....family companion type of dog. I've placed several with women and a couple with young boys (around 12 years old) as their first hunting dog.
What I've seen from the Chessies I've owned and what I've heard from the people I've placed pups with is quite contrary to the myths and stories most of us have heard and read about Chessies. I've yet to see or hear of any of these dogs being aggressive. Not one. They are not tall and lanky, or short and stocky.....they are well built, athletic dogs. They are a slower developing dog than a Lab.They do not fully mature until they are about 2 1/2 to 3 years old from what I've seen. My dogs get along well with other dogs. I also have 4 Springers. I exercise all 7 dogs together twice a day. I've never had my Chessies get in a fight, although I've had two of my Springers nearly kill each other!!! Anyone can come to myhouse and not worry about my Chessies. We have a lot of visitors when we have pups and have never had a problem.
My Chessies are sensitive and very persistent. When you combine those two traits you can get a dog that is very stubborn....Yes, they will quit on you if you use too much force. Most people treat stubborness with force, which is the exact opposite of what you should do. You will find that many Chessie breeders are women. I think a woman's touch is what works best with a Chessie. Chessies are not for everyone. If a person is in a hurry, want's a dog that will be out there hunting at 7 or 8 months of age, etc. they will be better off with something other than a Chessie.
Are all Chessies from "my" lines like this? I have no idea....all I can base things on are the 50 or so that I've known. I have no idea what a Chessie from straight Show lines would be like as I've never seen one first hand. Here are my Chessies....
