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Virginians for Hound Hunting Reform
New forum and site is up. A send a letter to your state rep page.
http://www.vhhr.org Virginians for Hound Hunting Reform Working now. Cut and pasted from another site and I guess the code isn't the same on that forum. |
RE: Virginians for Hound Hunting Reform
Uh, BiggBirdd... The website doesn't work. It just brings you back to Huntingnet.com. [&:]
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First it's hound hunting that's outlawed, then it's hunting in general[&:]Some people just don't get it
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ORIGINAL: bryant1 First it's hound hunting that's outlawed, then it's hunting in general[&:]Some people just don't get it Hunting is totally outlawed there. :( no hunters, no one. The woods are dead in November. We want it fixed - not outlawed. |
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When will the website for the Still Hunters Reform be up and running?
Nice when some types of hunters decide to "fix" things that other hunters are doing. Be careful of what you wish for. |
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VA needs to do away with the "RIGHT TO RETRIEVE LAW".......it`s just LEGAL TRESPASSING.......and stop them from running dogs out of season......LCC...How many times have you had dogs and dog hunters TRESPASSING on your PRIVATE PROPERTY and SCREWING UP YOUR HUNT......?????????
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Actually none, and the couple times something like that has been an issue I had friends getting a ton of deer ran TOWARD their stand by dogs.
But i have some ruined trees on my property because of the irresponsible actions of still hunters. But I'm not looking to dive headlong into legislative reforms in that area. All this talk reminds me of the anti-gun folks talking about the need to "fix" and "reform" laws. First they are only targeting certain allegedly problem guns, then the next thing you know they are trying to shove a total ban down your throat. Be careful folks, very careful about what a relatively small number of people are trying to sell you. |
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LCC...If you lived and hunted here you might have a different opinion.
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Yeah, and if I lived in Morton Grove Illinois, I might agree with their handgun band....
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Two totally different things.....one bans guns and the other makes it illegal to come on private property without the land owners permission.
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Most gun bans are the end result of a gradual process undr the guise of"reform" and "better regulation" that were initiated by fairly small groups of people with an agenda. Sounds pretty close to me.
I'm sure the animal rights people who are also involved with this scheme are actually deeply concerned aboutexisting right of retrieval laws[:o] |
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:eek: I will atleast say your giving it your all. lcc you will not be able to talk to some of these guys on this subject, they dont want to hear it if it dosent cater to them:DJust forget about it and let em argue with themselves and enjoy the upcoming hunting season.....after hunting season they will start all over again.
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Well, its generally the same handful of people that pop up every time there is a threadrelated to this topic.You just gotta make sure that other folks understand the whole situation and what could be at risk in the greater scheme of things.
I'm actually a bit worried about them being out and about during hunting season. Sounds like some of them may end up going postal the minute they see a truck with a dog box[:o]But, just as easily,it sounds like the first time they hear a dog bark any where near their stand, they are gonna pronounce theirentire day (or season) ruined and go home and get back on the computer for another round.  |
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Thank God its a small % who feel like some of these guys do. I hunt in 2 different counties and very rarly hear of somone complain about a dog[8D]trespassing! I love to still hunt, actually I still hunt most of the time, and from time to time I have a dog interupt my hunt but would never think about harming a dog for this. Most of the ones who want change want minor changes to thr rtr law, which i agree with, its the couple of crazies who cry wolf every other day and want to shoot dogs that people are sick[:'(]of. i guess they will just have to get over themselves or quit hunting.
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ORIGINAL: deerdogdude Thank God its a small % who feel like some of these guys do. I hunt in 2 different counties and very rarly hear of somone complain about a dog[8D]trespassing! I love to still hunt, actually I still hunt most of the time, and from time to time I have a dog interupt my hunt but would never think about harming a dog for this. Most of the ones who want change want minor changes to thr rtr law, which i agree with, its the couple of crazies who cry wolf every other day and want to shoot dogs that people are sick[:'(]of. i guess they will just have to get over themselves or quit hunting. |
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ORIGINAL: Lanse couche couche Yeah, and if I lived in Morton Grove Illinois, I might agree with their handgun band.... |
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I do most of my hunting in prince george and a little in sussex but not far into sussex, right across the county line from prince george. there was one guy last year who had a problem when he heard a dog during his hunt, even shot one of the beagles(the beagle was not hurt that bad and was running within the week) but after the landowner found out he lost the lease. He hunted there for 2 years killed a deer off the dog 1 year(and thanked us) and wanted to kill it the next.
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I hunted in Sussex last year of Rt 40 just over the Nottaway. They chased every Sat of bow except one. The adjoining clubs pens bordered the land we had. The had a field and 1 acre of woods. You could hear the truck drive up, the dogs go wild and then some how they were inside the fence on our side. I did later on bid on a lease in Sussex and the farmer only wanted still hunters as he had dog club issues and didn't want them in there. Can't say all of Sussex as I was only in one part of it. But both parcels of land I was on had issues. They were 10 miles apart. 2 out of 2 seems like 100% to me.
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Actually rick, coon hunting and running coyotes with hounds is very common, along with hunting with bird dogs and beagles. ALL of those activities overlap with deer season but problems are pretty dam rare. I've never had a still deer hunt, squirrel hunt, or varmint huntthat i can honestly say was interupted by dogs, even if they were in the same general area. In therecent instance where i can recall the coyote hounds coming thru while a friend was deer hunting on an adjacent tract of land, they actually ran a bunch of deerright toward him. However, despite the fact that deer hunter/dog confrontations are pretty rare, there is always a small core of deer hunters who would love to see ALL forms of dog hunting go the way of the buffalo so that that they can have the woods to themselves. And they can always find animal rights activists willing to climb into bed with them for that cause. Youare pretty sillyif you don't understandthat a similar mindset operates with a significant portion of the folks in VA that want to "reform" hound hunting. The states amy be different, but theoverall agenda of the anti-hunters remain the same.
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ORIGINAL: Lanse couche couche Actually rick, coon hunting and running coyotes with hounds is very common, along with hunting with bird dogs and beagles. ALL of those activities overlap with deer season but problems are pretty dam rare. I've never had a still deer hunt, squirrel hunt, or varmint huntthat i can honestly say was interupted by dogs, even if they were in the same general area. In therecent instance where i can recall the coyote hounds coming thru while a friend was deer hunting on an adjacent tract of land, they actually ran a bunch of deerright toward him. However, despite the fact that deer hunter/dog confrontations are pretty rare, there is always a small core of deer hunters who would love to see ALL forms of dog hunting go the way of the buffalo so that that they can have the woods to themselves. And they can always find animal rights activists willing to climb into bed with them for that cause. Youare pretty sillyif you don't understandthat a similar mindset operates with a significant portion of the folks in VA that want to "reform" hound hunting. The states amy be different, but theoverall agenda of the anti-hunters remain the same. So what happens in Ill. If you go on posted land without permission? I don't see complaints here about coon, rabbit, or (real)foxhounds. As faras bird dogs, I can say I've never had a problem with mine hunting off property that I have permission to be on. If you want to talk about climbing in bed with PETA and HSUS. The VHDA did that to block lifting the ban on Sunday hunting in VA. So WHO is anti-hunting? Call me silly if you want. I've never said that hounds shouldn't be run where they're legal and the hunters have permission. I also expect them stay off prohibited land and it's their problem to figure out how to do that.It's not my problem to learn to live with it. |
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Dunno what to tell you Rick. All types of hunting with dogs overlap with deer season in Illinois. You say that you haven't seen dogs while deer hunting. Well, I often don't either in Illinois even though they are out and about at the same time as me. No problems. I'll bet that there are lots of folks that can say the same thing about their still deer hunting in Virginia, even in areas where there are hound hunters. Thanks for helping to make my point.
Illinois has rather strict trespass laws, but that doesn't mean that i am gonna tell people to get rid of right of retrieval laws in other statesDifferent places, different laws and traditions. And again, if folks are on you illegal, then call the dam police. |
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Amazing, how many times have you hunted in VA, but you have all the anwsers.
If they can change a few regs. the CO's will be able to controll some of the issues or they can use your idea,do nothing and all the problems will just go away. :eek: |
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Rick it's no use trying to explain. I have explained til Im blue in the face.They just don't understand the dynamics of dog hunting in Va unless you live here. It has become a major problem and the dog owners will not budge on it. Bigg Birrd. myself, swampcollie have all tried. You guys that don't live here and especially here in South east Va, do not understand how many dog clubs there are. Tons of them I think Sussex co has over 250 clubs alone, that is one county !!!!
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Problem is that lots of folks aren't buying your explanations once they start understanding the big picture. See my recent post in the sporting dogs section.
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ORIGINAL: rick64 Amazing, how many times have you hunted in VA, but you have all the anwsers. If they can change a few regs. the CO's will be able to controll some of the issues or they can use your idea,do nothing and all the problems will just go away. :eek: The right to retrieve law is very specific and yes, often abused, but the fact that it is not enforced is even worse. If you drive on someone elses property to get dogs or anything other than walk on with no firearmyou are breaking the law, write them a ticket, fine them something. Running deer out of season? Game warden: "Hey what are you guys doing running dogs?" Person: "Oh we're running foxes." Game warden: "Well let's track them and see." If they are runnning deer he could easily determine that and you guessed it, write them a ticket. There is "reform" that could happen right now with the existing laws. More wardens, smaller districts, write tickets!! Yeah that site you posted is jam packed with people screaming for reform, all 9 of them.;) Release the hounds! Over and out. |
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ORIGINAL: Lanse couche couche Problem is that lots of folks aren't buying your explanations once they start understanding the big picture. See my recent post in the sporting dogs section. |
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If it's only 9 people, why are you worried about it. If fact just ignore it, nothing going to change.Looks likechasing deer with hounds is picking up all kind of support within VA & NC. I wonder how they run hounds in other state without the RTR?
Too bad that bird hunters and houndsmen thatrun other game are getting lumped in that group. |
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I'm not worried about that site as obviously there is no need to. I do worry about "reform" of our collective pasttime by the wrong people/organizations.
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ORIGINAL: rick64 If it's only 9 people, why are you worried about it. If fact just ignore it, nothing going to change.Looks likechasing deer with hounds is picking up all kind of support within VA & NC. I wonder how they run hounds in other state without the RTR? Too bad that bird hunters and houndsmen thatrun other game are getting lumped in that group. |
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ORIGINAL: NEW61375 ORIGINAL: Lanse couche couche Problem is that lots of folks aren't buying your explanations once they start understanding the big picture. See my recent post in the sporting dogs section. The shocker is a hunting org.(VHDA)standing arm in arm with PETA & HSUS to oppose lifting the ban on Sunday hunting in VA. Then turn around and ask for support from the same guys that they dumped on. Typical response(Deer chasers do no wrong):All the problems are because ofthe Warden's/law enforcement, DGIF, Landowners, Bowhunters, Stillhunters, SAC, Tech. committe, VT,........hope I didn't leave anybody out. |
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ORIGINAL: rick64 ORIGINAL: NEW61375 ORIGINAL: Lanse couche couche Problem is that lots of folks aren't buying your explanations once they start understanding the big picture. See my recent post in the sporting dogs section. The shocker is a hunting org.(VHDA)standing arm in arm with PETA & HSUS to oppose lifting the ban on Sunday hunting in VA. Then turn around and ask for support from the same guys that they dumped on. Typical response(Deer chasers do no wrong):All the problems are because ofthe Warden's/law enforcement, DGIF, Landowners, Bowhunters, Stillhunters, SAC, Tech. committe, VT,........hope I didn't leave anybody out. The right to retrieve law is very specific and yes, often abused, but the fact that it is not enforced is even worse. If you drive on someone elses property to get dogs or anything other than walk on with no firearmyou are breaking the law, write them a ticket, fine them something. In fact I never said to support Hokieman or his organization, quite the contrary I looked into his group and many things they support and oppose and it isn't for me because I do they think if they want help they would help other hunters. Here's a link to that thread(somewhere in the middle)which I'm sure you remember rick. RE: Virginia Hunting Dog Alliance I don't think we view it too much differently as far as the big picture(from the thread mentioned above): ORIGINAL: rick64 That makes sense to me, in return for the privilege of being able to retrieve their dogs the penalty should be more severe for breaking the law. I think we all agree, ifall Conservation Officers were more aggressive with the laws that are already on the books, this wouldn't be as big an issue. original:NEW61375 I would agree with that. I do feel in many areas we need more officersand they also need to be actively enforcing the laws. Anyway, this is why I stay out of these threads anymore, tons of mis-communication rather than communication. Good luck this season everyone. |
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Im growing tired of this arguement. Guys it's simple....we are understaffed in this part of Va when it comes to wardens, not enough around and that's why dogs are dropped in the off season. The solution is also simple. Just simply don't run your dogs in the off season. Problem solved. Instead of pointing fingers at each other and saying that so and so is in bed with PETA and other org. just work together. Bowhunters/still hunters have not brought this issue up in the assembly as far as I know. The non hunting community and some hunters actually got this started. I keep telling ya'll that. Everyone keeps saying that game wardens should be held accountable....what about the guys dumping the dogs?? If they stop this practice in the off season, problem solved. My issue and many others have nothing to do with the practice of using hounds. It's the practices of the dog owners that are causing issues. NOT ALL DOG OWNERS....but enough have done it to raise eyebrows. Im a former dog owner, I miss my hounds, can't afford them and can't keep here at my house, so Im not against you guys. Im trying to find a solution so we can retain all of our rights. Why is this so hard to understand??
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ORIGINAL: NEW61375 ORIGINAL: rick64 ORIGINAL: NEW61375 ORIGINAL: Lanse couche couche Problem is that lots of folks aren't buying your explanations once they start understanding the big picture. See my recent post in the sporting dogs section. The shocker is a hunting org.(VHDA)standing arm in arm with PETA & HSUS to oppose lifting the ban on Sunday hunting in VA. Then turn around and ask for support from the same guys that they dumped on. Typical response(Deer chasers do no wrong):All the problems are because ofthe Warden's/law enforcement, DGIF, Landowners, Bowhunters, Stillhunters, SAC, Tech. committe, VT,........hope I didn't leave anybody out. The right to retrieve law is very specific and yes, often abused, but the fact that it is not enforced is even worse. If you drive on someone elses property to get dogs or anything other than walk on with no firearmyou are breaking the law, write them a ticket, fine them something. In fact I never said to support Hokieman or his organization, quite the contrary I looked into his group and many things they support and oppose and it isn't for me because I do they think if they want help they would help other hunters. Here's a link to that thread(somewhere in the middle)which I'm sure you remember rick. RE: Virginia Hunting Dog Alliance I don't think we view it too much differently as far as the big picture(from the thread mentioned above): ORIGINAL: rick64 That makes sense to me, in return for the privilege of being able to retrieve their dogs the penalty should be more severe for breaking the law. I think we all agree, ifall Conservation Officers were more aggressive with the laws that are already on the books, this wouldn't be as big an issue. original:NEW61375 I would agree with that. I do feel in many areas we need more officersand they also need to be actively enforcing the laws. Anyway, this is why I stay out of these threads anymore, tons of mis-communication rather than communication. Good luck this season everyone. To be fair, the quote from the other thread was a discussion about SB 263, a bill that added penalties for abuse of the RTR. Both of us know who opposed that and what happened with the bill. The year before there was a big opposition to SB 884, that still puzzles me. I see that NC has a proposal that would make it a $250 fine for each hound that is running on prohibited land, I think that severe. I believe some changes to the RTR and min. contiguous acreage would be a improvement from the current situation. I'll just put my 2cents in to the public comment, haven't seen anything here that would change my mind. You guys have a good season |
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I agree that thr rtr law is deff. abused. If my dogs are on someone elses property, I will try to gain permission or wait till after dark to try and retrieve them. If they are more than a couple of hundered yards or so I dont attempt without permission. I also try to train my dogs to come back home so I dont have to go on someone elses property. I also can understand a still hunters frustration of dogs interupting their hunts, every once in awhile should be expected and shouldnt be a big deal as long as it was not done on purpose and does not happen often. If once in awhile a hunter comes through my hunt looking for game I dont get mad, if it started becoming a habit and was done to hunt my land I too would be mad. I know that there are dog hunters that abuse the loopholes in some of these laws but most do not.
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If more of the dog hunters were like you ddd there would be a whole lot less problems then the ones we have right now.....Good Post.....Good Luck this Season...
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most are, just like most "still hunters" are.
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ORIGINAL: deerdogdude most are, just like most "still hunters" are. Enforcement is lacking, but so is a basic level of respect between some hunters and some property owners. |
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1 club chasing out of season can cover the area of 3 or more adjoining clubs in a day. If 1 out of 3 or 4 clubs is running then virtually every tract has some activity during the day. From what I gather it's more of a problem the more east you go in VA.
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I AM NOT TRYING TO START A FIGHT, JUST CURIOUS!!
I am not a dog hunter but i was wondering if someone could explain something to me. I am all for doing whatever tickles your fancy but being a still hunter, i just wanted to know where is the fun in letting the dogs do all the work. Doesnt that take all the satisfaction out of scouting, hanging stands,sitting in them during the off season and then getting in the woods and HOPING you got it right. I just dont see the fun in having the dogs drive the deer to you and then you sit there and shoot them.Seems kinda lazy to me. |
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ORIGINAL: jimmy28303 I AM NOT TRYING TO START A FIGHT, JUST CURIOUS!! I am not a dog hunter but i was wondering if someone could explain something to me. I am all for doing whatever tickles your fancy but being a still hunter, i just wanted to know where is the fun in letting the dogs do all the work. Doesnt that take all the satisfaction out of scouting, hanging stands,sitting in them during the off season and then getting in the woods and HOPING you got it right. I just dont see the fun in having the dogs drive the deer to you and then you sit there and shoot them.Seems kinda lazy to me. |
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