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Virginia Hunting Dog Alliance
Hello All, I am here to provide anyone interested information on a state issue of concern to dog hunters and the Virginia Hunting Dog Alliance. Sportsmen and Sportswomen from across Virginia have banded together to form the Virginia Hunting Dog Alliance.http://vahda.org We are rabbit, deer, coon, bear, fox, coyote, squirrel and bird hunting dog owners and face a challenge to our way of hunting. If you want more information, please visit our website.[/align]
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RE: Virginia Hunting Dog Alliance
Hokie... Wow, you're everywhere! ;)
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scam....
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ORIGINAL: Pearl Jam scam.... |
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ORIGINAL: 3sheets ORIGINAL: Hokieman ORIGINAL: Pearl Jam scam....  3sheets 
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ORIGINAL: 3sheets ORIGINAL: Hokieman ORIGINAL: 3sheets ORIGINAL: Hokieman ORIGINAL: Pearl Jam scam.... 3sheets
 I doubt any folks would be willin to spring for any sort ofhunt on my measly parcel ... that would be a real money looser for ya'll. In fact since the hunting there is so poor, I'm thinking bout planting my old ridge field in corn and hauling in a few Coon, just so I can take advantage of that 2am Sunday Hunting curfew that you Coon DogsHunters used to think was just created for your benefit alone.  3sheets
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Hmmmm... Hokie, you DON'T run dogs around the JNF now, do you?
-------------Cut 'n pasted from the DGIF's website------------------- Legal Methods and Restrictions During Firearms Deer Seasons: Special restrictions apply to specific firearms use during this season. See Legal Use of Firearms and Local Firearms Ordinances for details. [ul][*]Modern firearms.[*]Hunters are allowed to use archery tackle or muzzleloading firearms to deer hunt during the firearms deer season with the following conditions: [ul][*]all hunters are required to comply with the either-sex deer hunting days for the firearms deer season.[*]use of muzzleloading firearms is allowed only if not otherwise restricted.[*]muzzleloader deer hunters must wear blaze orange during the firearms deer season.[*]archery deer hunters must wear blaze orange during the firearms deer season except when hunting in areas where the discharge of firearms is prohibited. [/ul][/ul] Dogs May Not Be Used For Deer Hunting: [ul][*]West of the Blue Ridge.[*]East of the Blue Ridge in Bedford, Fairfax, Franklin, Henry Loudoun, Northampton, and Patrick counties, and Amherst (west of Rt. 29), Campbell (west of Norfolk Southern Railroad), Nelson (west of Rt. 151), Pittsylvania (west of Norfolk Southern Railroad), and the city of Lynchburg.[*]Statewide when hunting during archery and muzzleloading deer seasons.[*]On many military areas. Check individual Post regulations.[*]On Amelia, Cavalier, Featherfin, Pettigrew, C.F. Phelps, and G. Richard Thompson Wildlife Management Areas.[*]During the first 12 hunting days of the firearms deer season in Madison and Greene counties. [/ul] |
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lol:D
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Hmmm... I don't think Hokieman read my thread before. Oh well, here it is again straight from the DGIF website:
Dogs May Not Be Used For Deer Hunting: [ul][*]West of the Blue Ridge. [*]East of the Blue Ridge in Bedford, Fairfax, Franklin, Henry Loudoun, Northampton, and Patrick counties, and Amherst (west of Rt. 29), Campbell (west of Norfolk Southern Railroad), Nelson (west of Rt. 151), Pittsylvania (west of Norfolk Southern Railroad), and the city of Lynchburg.[*]Statewide when hunting during archery and muzzleloading deer seasons.[*]On many military areas. Check individual Post regulations.[*]On Amelia, Cavalier, Featherfin, Pettigrew, C.F. Phelps, and G. Richard Thompson Wildlife Management Areas.[*]During the first 12 hunting days of the firearms deer season in Madison and Greene counties. [/ul] |
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ORIGINAL: ButchA Hmmmm... Hokie, you DON'T run dogs around the JNF now, do you? -------------Cut 'n pasted from the DGIF's website------------------- Legal Methods and Restrictions During Firearms Deer Seasons: Special restrictions apply to specific firearms use during this season. See Legal Use of Firearms and Local Firearms Ordinances for details. [ul][*]Modern firearms.[*]Hunters are allowed to use archery tackle or muzzleloading firearms to deer hunt during the firearms deer season with the following conditions: [ul][*]all hunters are required to comply with the either-sex deer hunting days for the firearms deer season.[*]use of muzzleloading firearms is allowed only if not otherwise restricted.[*]muzzleloader deer hunters must wear blaze orange during the firearms deer season.[*]archery deer hunters must wear blaze orange during the firearms deer season except when hunting in areas where the discharge of firearms is prohibited. [/ul][/ul] Dogs May Not Be Used For Deer Hunting: [ul][*]West of the Blue Ridge.[*]East of the Blue Ridge in Bedford, Fairfax, Franklin, Henry Loudoun, Northampton, and Patrick counties, and Amherst (west of Rt. 29), Campbell (west of Norfolk Southern Railroad), Nelson (west of Rt. 151), Pittsylvania (west of Norfolk Southern Railroad), and the city of Lynchburg.[*]Statewide when hunting during archery and muzzleloading deer seasons.[*]On many military areas. Check individual Post regulations.[*]On Amelia, Cavalier, Featherfin, Pettigrew, C.F. Phelps, and G. Richard Thompson Wildlife Management Areas.[*]During the first 12 hunting days of the firearms deer season in Madison and Greene counties. [/ul] |
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That's cool... I was just wondering, that's all. No harm meant or false accusations towards deer doggers. But, from what I understand, some of them ol' mountain boys don't take kindly to dogs running deer west of the Blue Ridge - if you know what I mean... [&:]
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Deer dog hunting sucks. I hope they end it. Mostly criminals use deer dogs. Hokieman why are you going to waste your time fighting for the criminal deer dog hunters.
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i live in western va. where dog hunting is illegal. bear hunters ruin the national forest hunting for deer by running bear all thru deer season and keeping the deer so spooked up that a still hunter can't find one.
bear hunting with dogs is the biggest joke i've ever seen,its how so called bear hunters kill most of our bear .a bear does not stand a chance with a pack of dogs on him. NO SPORT AT ALL TO SHOOTING HIM OUT OF A TREE. when i hunt eastern va. i try to stay away from the deer dogs,from what i see about dog hunters running deer its just a way for them to set in there trucks and wait for the deer to get run to them,its lazy mans deer hunting,no scouting,no treestands,no walking and then you kill one he's so tough you can't chew it. to me it shows a total disrespect for the animal. BAN ALL BIG GAME DOG HUNTING NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! let the real hunters reclaim all the hunting clubs in va. |
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ORIGINAL: srwshooter ...and then you kill one he's so tough you can't chew it. Deer dog club venison My brother-in-law is a LEO and doesn't have time to hunt, but knows a bunch of hunters. In fact, one of the guys he knows is in a deer dog club in Gloucester, VA. The guy gave my brother-in-law a few nice venison steaks to grill up. My sister & brother-in-law invited my wife and I over to help marinate the steaks and have dinner with them. * Venison was marinated like how I always do it (wife's recipe). * Evenly cook on grill and brush a mix of lipton onion soup on venison. * Venison tasted "gamey" even with marinating and coating of onion soup. * Venison was tough to chew even though it appeared juicy. Still hunter venison This was my small buck from last season that I dropped with one shot out in the GWNF at my deer camp. Li'l buck had no idea what hit him. Boom - flop, right in the left shoulder. DOA - right there on the spot. We invited my sister & brother-in-law over for dinner to eat my vension steaks. * Venison was marinated like how I always do it (wife's recipe). * Evenly cook on grill and brush a mix of lipton onion soup on venison. * Venison had no "gamey" taste at all. * Venison was so juicy and tender, you could cut it with a butter knife! Christmas dinner -- further proof Same scenario as above with "still hunter" venison. We invited my sister & brother-in-law over and our older nextdoor neighbors over for a nice Christmas dinner. We usedthe last of the venison -a 12 pound venison ham (I cut up/de-boned the other ham a long time ago). My wife helped me marinate it and the two of us used her great big slow cooker/roaster. We slow cooked the big 12 pound ham all day long in the same recipe, but then with a few hours to go, my wife addedpotatos, onions, carrots, etc.. It was delicious!!! * 12 pound venison roast slow cooked with same recipe. * Venison had no "gamey" taste at all. * Venison just about fell off the bone - it was so tender. * Nextdoor neighbors wife (nice lady, don't get me wrong but at times, she can get, um, "fussy" - if you know what I mean) could not believe how good the venison tasted and how tender it was. Long story short.... You have to ask yourself: Do you want to eat venison that is pumped full of adrenaline and all gamey tasting and tough like shoe leather. Or do you want to eat venison that is very tender with little to no gamey taste. You know, where the deer was just chillin' out in the woods, not being run to death my deer dogs, and then BOOM - the lights went out. |
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Most of you dog hunting bashers are so full of **** it is hilarious. You all seem to believe your **** also which is even more funny. The last post about venison isbeyond reason, only dogs cause a release of adrenaline huh? I am of the firm belief that none of you hunt because anyone who has spent any time in the woods would know better than the crap you all are spewing.
How do you all see all these dog hunters, deer herders and fat lazy truck hunters if you are far away in the woods in your favorite climber, etc.? Normally I would avoid being confrontational with fellow hunters but I am so sure none of you are hunters it just doesn't matter. Maybe I'll see you at Gamestop buying buckhunter or whatever game you play. Spence |
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Whoa, easy now... take it easy.... [&:]
I am a deer hunter, with both bow and rifle. I choose not to hunt where the deer doggers are, because of so many ruined hunts. I drive out to the other side of the Blue Ridge out to the GWNF to get away from the dogs. I just prefer the peace and quiet of the woods, where the deer and I are on "one on one" terms, you know? I don't need dogs to run the deer. I scout areas, read topo maps, look at rub lines and scrapes, and study the wind. Others like to use dogs, and that's cool... whatever... It just ain't my thing... Use a beagle to hunt rabbits? Cool. Use a black lab to hunt waterfowl? Cool. Use a spaniel to hunt upland birds? Cool. Use a hound to chase deer? Say what? Okay, um, whatever floats your boat. It doesn't interest me though. |
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Back to the topic at hand, as it says "Sportsmen and Sportswomen from across Virginia have banded together to form the Virginia Hunting Dog Alliance." We should come together on this one. I know there are some bad apples everywhere, but the majority of dog hunters I know, actually every dog hunter I know, even though it's not many,has good ethics.
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ORIGINAL: ButchA ORIGINAL: srwshooter ...and then you kill one he's so tough you can't chew it. Deer dog club venison My brother-in-law is a LEO and doesn't have time to hunt, but knows a bunch of hunters. In fact, one of the guys he knows is in a deer dog club in Gloucester, VA. The guy gave my brother-in-law a few nice venison steaks to grill up. My sister & brother-in-law invited my wife and I over to help marinate the steaks and have dinner with them. * Venison was marinated like how I always do it (wife's recipe). * Evenly cook on grill and brush a mix of lipton onion soup on venison. * Venison tasted "gamey" even with marinating and coating of onion soup. * Venison was tough to chew even though it appeared juicy. Still hunter venison This was my small buck from last season that I dropped with one shot out in the GWNF at my deer camp. Li'l buck had no idea what hit him. Boom - flop, right in the left shoulder. DOA - right there on the spot. We invited my sister & brother-in-law over for dinner to eat my vension steaks. * Venison was marinated like how I always do it (wife's recipe). * Evenly cook on grill and brush a mix of lipton onion soup on venison. * Venison had no "gamey" taste at all. * Venison was so juicy and tender, you could cut it with a butter knife! Christmas dinner -- further proof Same scenario as above with "still hunter" venison. We invited my sister & brother-in-law over and our older nextdoor neighbors over for a nice Christmas dinner. We usedthe last of the venison -a 12 pound venison ham (I cut up/de-boned the other ham a long time ago). My wife helped me marinate it and the two of us used her great big slow cooker/roaster. We slow cooked the big 12 pound ham all day long in the same recipe, but then with a few hours to go, my wife addedpotatos, onions, carrots, etc.. It was delicious!!! * 12 pound venison roast slow cooked with same recipe. * Venison had no "gamey" taste at all. * Venison just about fell off the bone - it was so tender. * Nextdoor neighbors wife (nice lady, don't get me wrong but at times, she can get, um, "fussy" - if you know what I mean) could not believe how good the venison tasted and how tender it was. Long story short.... You have to ask yourself: Do you want to eat venison that is pumped full of adrenaline and all gamey tasting and tough like shoe leather. Or do you want to eat venison that is very tender with little to no gamey taste. You know, where the deer was just chillin' out in the woods, not being run to death my deer dogs, and then BOOM - the lights went out. |
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Uh, with all due respect, Hokieman, I beg to differ. My taste buds let me know the difference. I mean, there is a difference. $10 dollar bet... There is a difference... ;)
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On topic - The guys that I know working in the VHDA are stand up long time hunters. The members I know of the clubs affiliated are also long time good guys. From how it has been presented to me it is a good organization and that can be seen by the individuals and clubs joiningthis organization.
Off topic - Venison and "gamey" taste. It has been my experience that the "gamey taste or tough meat" that people associate with venison is from improper care and/or butchering of the meat. Shoot a buck in full rut, gut him and skin him with the same knife without cleaning the knife, bust a piss sack or guts without washing out the cavity, etc. are the usual culprits in a bad piece of meat. How often have you gone to a steak house and ended up chewing a filet or ribeye? It's all in the butchering and prep. I'm almost to the point of swearing off steak other than what I grill because of this. Spence |
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ORIGINAL: ButchA Uh, with all due respect, Hokieman, I beg to differ. My taste buds let me know the difference. I mean, there is a difference. $10 dollar bet... There is a difference... ;) Checks can be made payable to VHDA and mailed to: Virginia Hunting Dog Alliance P.O. Box 657 Powhatan, Virginia 23139 Thanks for your support. |
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It sounds like a necessary and worthwhile organization. If you take a good look at a lot of the posts by some of the more vocalanti-dog hunters, they often reveal their true colors as being opposed to pretty much all forms of dog hunting. Evidentally, they think that buying a license and putting up a deer stand means that there shouldn't be any kind of dog within a mile of them, even when they aren't even on their own land.Hence a lot of the lies anddistortions of the truth. Goodluck with things.
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Good for the dog hunters of Virginia banding together to fight for their right to run dogs. Our sport has already been disbanded by the small acre land owners and stillhunters enough(both of which i am). New developmentsare taking part of the vast acreagethat use tobehunting lands(both for stillhunters & houndhunters).Most only places left to run dogs are National Forests and WMAs, and people are still complaining about that.Iwish your Alliance the best and i hopeyou guys can overcome this and keep yourdoghunting.
Peoplewho don't have hunting dogs dont understand our love of hearing a pack of dogs run or a cold nosehound work a trail. |
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bryant1 I have8 rabbit dogs but, I'm not giving money to that scam.
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ORIGINAL: behunting14 bryant1 I have8 rabbit dogs but, I'm not giving money to that scam. |
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ORIGINAL: behunting14 bryant1 I have8 rabbit dogs but, I'm not giving money to that scam. |
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There is no scam by VHDA. My club is allied with this group and I know one of the main guys quite well and have known him for years. All you are hearing is lies by anti dog hunters with no backup to their bull****. All they want to do is get on here and complain because their sorry asses don't know how to hunt and they need something to blame their lack of skills on. And they will only do it behind a keyboard.
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ORIGINAL: vaspence There is no scam by VHDA. My club is allied with this group and I know one of the main guys quite well and have known him for years. All you are hearing is lies by anti dog hunters with no backup to their bull****. All they want to do is get on here and complain because their sorry asses don't know how to hunt and they need something to blame their lack of skills on. And they will only do it behind a keyboard. Spence |
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from what i see about dog hunters running deer its just a way for them to set in there trucks and wait for the deer to get run to them,its lazy mans deer hunting,no scouting,no treestands,no walking and then you kill one he's so tough you can't chew it. to me it shows a total disrespect for the animal. BAN ALL BIG GAME DOG HUNTING NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! let the real hunters reclaim all the hunting clubs in va.
Man that is really funny!!!!! I see you have never been Dog Hunting!!!! Well lets see when the season is over you don't have to feed your deer stand,you don't have to work with it in the off season,you don't have to maintain a good 4x4 truck,you don't have to give your stand shots and wormers,you shoot at something that is standing still(anyone with half a brain can do that).HUH let's see you running around trying to cut dogs off to kill the buck,run down the road as fast as you can to try and keep your dogs out of some ahole private land owner still hunter place that shoots dogs(dogs can't read!!!)Lazy mans hunting i think not!!!! It has been done that way alot longer than people sitting up 15 or 20ft in a tree with all the high dollar scent free stuff on the deer doesn't even know you are there!!! At least with dog hunting the deer has a chance to get away.Wake up dude!!!!!! Now im not downing still hunting,if you want to go sit up in a tree fine.But don't sit here and put down the way we hunt because you have had a bad dealing with a dog hunter,the most reason you do is because of the ahole's that shoot or dogs(again a dog can't read!!!) when they get over into private land. |
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I’ve never been dog hunting, where we ran dogs. I have brought my one dog with me hunting. But I own a house right next to a leased hunt club property in Spotsylvania VA and I can tell you that I don’t support that kind of hunting. The reason that I don’t is because I don’t want dogs running the deer on my property, and that keeps happening. My fathers property in Culpeper is the same way. I can be in my tree stand, on my land and watch your dogs run deer through and out of my property. Then you can hear the shots from over on the road, which isn’t hunt club property. This isn’t the only property that I hunt that is near leased land that dog runners use, and from what I’ve seen, this is common.
You fought and got the right to retrieve you dogs from others property without permission, but I can’t retrieve a dead deer that ran onto hunt club property without permission. You know property boundaries are not being respected. But now it is illegal to cut the collar from the dog. The Berkley hunt club, really close to my house won’t let anyone join… But they’re sure happy to use my private road to drop off and pick up their dogs. I’m not trying to be disrespectful, but you guys are going to have to start being respectful of other people and hunters before you’re going to be getting much backing from a lot of people. |
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Here's an article in todays Virginia Gazette about hunting dogs, some here may find it interesting.
http://www.vagazette.com/news/local/va-news3_011608jan16,0,7570954.story?coll=va_tab01_la yout |
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Killer Primate, congrats on one of the most reasonable posts on this topic.
I'm not a deer dog hunter but don't want to see anybody losing any type of hunting. Once it's gone it's gone forever and I would hate that. With that being said, too manyposts on this topic and others on this board list deer dog problems that sound serious and genuine. Denying that there is a problem will backfire andjust sounds arrogant. I'm glad to see that at least some deer dog hunters are working on improving their image. |
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Well for the guys that don't respect other people and there land that dog hunt i have no use for,but i have no use for a still hunter that shoots someones deer dog!!!It isn't the dogs fault he is doing what the owner trained him to do run deer.And again i say dogs can't read!!!!
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SouthernDoghunter,
Have you stopped to think about why your preferred type of hunting is under attack? I have; and it isn’t because you kill a deer that was pushed from its bed with a dog. It is because people are sick of having hunting dogs on private property. You keep saying “the dog can’t read.” You need to stop saying that because it makes you sound ignorant. That is not a conversation ending statement. If I can’t have my dog outside not on a leash, why can you? Hunting dogs end up on private or public property time and time again. That is a fact, and it keeps happening. Then the hunter says something that doesn’t sit well with the people who are bothered by it; “the dogs can’t read.” Yeah, no crap, and neither can the hunter, is probably what they’re thinking. My dog is my responsibility, not the landowners on either side of me. My youngest child can’t read either, and he too is my responsibility. You can’t set a dog free on a small piece of property and expect him to stay on it. It is your job to figure out a way to fix the problem, not the people or hunters who don’t participate. If you elect not to, your privilege will most certainly go away. Like it or not, if you don’t get creative and respectful you won’t be doing this much longer. I hope you’re able to see that, and I hope that your privilege doesn’t go away, but that is on you. |
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I'm a dog hunter and a still hunter, but I can't take all the anger anymore! People have got to work together for the sake of all hunting. If you dog hunt keep the dogs on your lease, if you still hunt, stay away from my dogs and remember I'm doing my best to keep them where they belong, but somethings are not perfect. As for people shooting dogs, I sincerely hope you never shoot my dogs,,, I can assure you it will not be pleasant when I catch you. Just keep your gun loaded, you're gonna need the extra ammo!!
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SouthernDoghunter,
Have you stopped to think about why your preferred type of hunting is under attack? I have; and it isn’t because you kill a deer that was pushed from its bed with a dog. It is because people are sick of having hunting dogs on private property. You keep saying “the dog can’t read.” You need to stop saying that because it makes you sound ignorant. That is not a conversation ending statement. If I can’t have my dog outside not on a leash, why can you? Hunting dogs end up on private or public property time and time again. That is a fact, and it keeps happening. Then the hunter says something that doesn’t sit well with the people who are bothered by it; “the dogs can’t read.” Yeah, no crap, and neither can the hunter, is probably what they’re thinking. My dog is my responsibility, not the landowners on either side of me. My youngest child can’t read either, and he too is my responsibility. You can’t set a dog free on a small piece of property and expect him to stay on it. It is your job to figure out a way to fix the problem, not the people or hunters who don’t participate. If you elect not to, your privilege will most certainly go away. Like it or not, if you don’t get creative and respectful you won’t be doing this much longer. I hope you’re able to see that, and I hope that your privilege doesn’t go away, but that is on you. Man get real!!!! Im not ignorant!! I know that i am responsable for my dog and i try my best to keep them out of the still hunt clubs and private land,but you people are ignorant and should go to jail for a long time for shooting dogs period!!!!!! |
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Here's the real VHDA. Yesterday they showed up in Richmond to say no to a bill that would allow hunting for ALL on Sunday. Also there to voice opposition was the HSUS. Seems the dog chasers will jump in bed with anyone if they'll help their cause - even if it's a well know anti-hunting organization. With VHDA it's either their way or nothing.
Just getting this out to show what kind of a group we're dealing with. |
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ORIGINAL: Bigg~BirddVA Here's the real VHDA. Yesterday they showed up in Richmond to say no to a bill that would allow hunting for ALL on Sunday. Also there to voice opposition was the HSUS. Seems the dog chasers will jump in bed with anyone if they'll help their cause - even if it's a well know anti-hunting organization. With VHDA it's either their way or nothing. Just getting this out to show what kind of a group we're dealing with. It's no more clearer than DGIF inviting HSUS to sit in on the focus group meetings or the stakeholders meetings and give their opinions concerning hound hunting. I guess that was just fine with you and other anti dog groups. No your statement and assumptions are wrong, we are not working with HSUS OR PETA, It just happen that their lobbyist was there to speak out agianst Sunday Hunting as Virginia Hunting Dog Alliance did. |
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Sorry, but I'm ignorant to why dog hunters wouldn't want the right to hunt on Sunday. Please explain?
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Some with Religon beliefs feel it is wrong.. Some wants to give the animals a day of rest, others wants to support the landowners and give them a break from hunters. many different views came togeather as one conclusion and that is to oppose sunday hunting.
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