Running Dogs In VA
02-19-2008 | 05:04 PM
#141
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RE: Running Dogs In VA
If hunting with dogs is such a sacred tradition, why are you doing it with pickup trucks, tracking collars and hunting licenses? None of these things were utilized when the tradition was born, so there fore they are not part of the tradition.
As was mentioned earlier, Slavery was a tradition in a large area of our country. In my opinion, some traditions need to be done away with. Anyone care to disagree with this point?
Dog running doesn't have to end, it does however need to be changed. There are far to many unenforcable laws. The Game Wardens know this and therefore rarely even try to enforce them. The law makers know this but don't care, their votes have basically been bought and paid for. It only makes financial sense for them to keep things the way they are. There is a group of people out there touting to be for all hunters rights, but when a bill is introduced to expand and further hunting rights for all hunters, they join HSUS in opposing it
This group is in total denial about the law breaking some of their members doing, it's never their fault, and all they tell you is to call the GW (who knows it's an un-enforcable law).
As was mentioned earlier, Slavery was a tradition in a large area of our country. In my opinion, some traditions need to be done away with. Anyone care to disagree with this point?
Dog running doesn't have to end, it does however need to be changed. There are far to many unenforcable laws. The Game Wardens know this and therefore rarely even try to enforce them. The law makers know this but don't care, their votes have basically been bought and paid for. It only makes financial sense for them to keep things the way they are. There is a group of people out there touting to be for all hunters rights, but when a bill is introduced to expand and further hunting rights for all hunters, they join HSUS in opposing it
This group is in total denial about the law breaking some of their members doing, it's never their fault, and all they tell you is to call the GW (who knows it's an un-enforcable law).
02-19-2008 | 05:16 PM
#142
Fork Horn
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From: VIRGINIA
RE: Running Dogs In VA
ORIGINAL: deepzak
If hunting with dogs is such a sacred tradition, why are you doing it with pickup trucks, tracking collars and hunting licenses? None of these things were utilized when the tradition was born, so there fore they are not part of the tradition.
If hunting with dogs is such a sacred tradition, why are you doing it with pickup trucks, tracking collars and hunting licenses? None of these things were utilized when the tradition was born, so there fore they are not part of the tradition.
My guess is that the pickup trucks are easier than a horse and bugy, tracking collars(for those who use them) is the same reason most bow hunters no longer use the old bows, technology. and the license part I guess would be the same for everyone who hunts.... you cant hunt with out it.
02-20-2008 | 02:28 AM
#143
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RE: Running Dogs In VA
My point is, a tradition is something that doesn't change, so don't use the modern convieniense (sp?). Stop using the BS argument of "Its a Tradition in VA". I never claimed my bow or muzzle loader was traditional (even though that's what they are classified as) because we all know that's BS unless your shooting a homemade self bow, long bow or a traditional flintlock or percussion ML. My compound shoots accurately out to about 80 yds (not that I would EVER take a shot at a deer at that range), and my ML shoots 2" groups at 150 yds. That's not traditional. Dressing up as Santa and handing out presents on Christmas morning, that's a tradition. 30 guys/gals throwing up a wall of lead at a deer running full speed across a field with it's tounge hanging out in front of a pack of dogs is not a tradition. It's a silly argument. Can I utilize my "combination AK-57, uzi, laser, radar guided, triple barrelled, double scoped, heat seaking shotgun" if I say its my "tradition"?
02-20-2008 | 11:02 AM
#144
Nontypical Buck
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RE: Running Dogs In VA
Deepzak you make a good point, but all is lost on these folks. Talking tothem about this subject is like pissing up a rope. It is either their way or forget it. It is their tradition.
As faras dog hunting, I love it, but not fordeer hunting. Birds, rabbits are great times. But whenwe hunt these game we always had good control of our dogs. They didn't run all overthe place where they were notallowed.
As faras dog hunting, I love it, but not fordeer hunting. Birds, rabbits are great times. But whenwe hunt these game we always had good control of our dogs. They didn't run all overthe place where they were notallowed.
02-20-2008 | 11:15 AM
#145
Fork Horn
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RE: Running Dogs In VA
who cares if its a tradition or not (you guys are grasping). Im just glad most still hunters dont feel the way some of you guys do about dog hunting.(the legal way) Some of you guys are one way lol. I know all arnt so that does not pertain to you guys. The comment of not being able to talk to doghunters on the issue is the pot calling the kettle black if I have ever seen it. lol
02-20-2008 | 11:17 AM
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Nontypical Buck
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From: Where the ducks don't come no more
RE: Running Dogs In VA
ORIGINAL: deepzak
As was mentioned earlier, Slavery was a tradition in a large area of our country. In my opinion, some traditions need to be done away with. Anyone care to disagree with this point?
As was mentioned earlier, Slavery was a tradition in a large area of our country. In my opinion, some traditions need to be done away with. Anyone care to disagree with this point?
Dog running doesn't have to end, it does however need to be changed. There are far to many unenforcable laws. The Game Wardens know this and therefore rarely even try to enforce them. The law makers know this but don't care, their votes have basically been bought and paid for. It only makes financial sense for them to keep things the way they are. There is a group of people out there touting to be for all hunters rights, but when a bill is introduced to expand and further hunting rights for all hunters, they join HSUS in opposing itThis group is in total denial about the law breaking some of their members doing, it's never their fault, and all they tell you is to call the GW (who knows it's an un-enforcable law).
This group is in total denial about the law breaking some of their members doing, it's never their fault, and all they tell you is to call the GW (who knows it's an un-enforcable law).
02-20-2008 | 11:21 AM
#147
Nontypical Buck
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From: Where the ducks don't come no more
RE: Running Dogs In VA
ORIGINAL: rafsob
As faras dog hunting, I love it, but not fordeer hunting. Birds, rabbits are great times. But whenwe hunt these game we always had good control of our dogs. They didn't run all overthe place where they were notallowed.
As faras dog hunting, I love it, but not fordeer hunting. Birds, rabbits are great times. But whenwe hunt these game we always had good control of our dogs. They didn't run all overthe place where they were notallowed.
02-20-2008 | 02:13 PM
#148
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RE: Running Dogs In VA
I am not totally against dog hunting for deer (thought never even crossed my mind for other game animals except maybe cougar). The problem lies with the way it is currently conducted. It is far too easy to hide behind nondescript and vague laws. My dog cant read; I'm just recovering my dog; the dog got out/away; it's a fox dog....and the list goes on. I have a feeling that deer hunting with dogs' days are limited due to poor management practices by those who partake, even if it's only a small number who do the damage. If there is one thing I have learned being in the Navy for 18 years, it's perception is everything. One person being lazy or not being on their toes can be the prime reason to cause an enemy to attack. Dog hunters have made a poor name for themselve, and therefore have no one to blame but themselves for the coming changes.
I'll make a deal with all the dog hunters; If my bow/muzzleloader or rifle ever gets out and onto your property and disturbs your hunt, you have my express permission to shoot it or dispose of it as you see fit if I can do the same to your hunting equipment. Sounds reasonable to me.
I'll make a deal with all the dog hunters; If my bow/muzzleloader or rifle ever gets out and onto your property and disturbs your hunt, you have my express permission to shoot it or dispose of it as you see fit if I can do the same to your hunting equipment. Sounds reasonable to me.
02-20-2008 | 03:50 PM
#149
Fork Horn
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From: VIRGINIA
RE: Running Dogs In VA
ORIGINAL: deepzak
I am not totally against dog hunting for deer (thought never even crossed my mind for other game animals except maybe cougar). The problem lies with the way it is currently conducted. It is far too easy to hide behind nondescript and vague laws. My dog cant read; I'm just recovering my dog; the dog got out/away; it's a fox dog....and the list goes on. I have a feeling that deer hunting with dogs' days are limited due to poor management practices by those who partake, even if it's only a small number who do the damage. If there is one thing I have learned being in the Navy for 18 years, it's perception is everything. One person being lazy or not being on their toes can be the prime reason to cause an enemy to attack. Dog hunters have made a poor name for themselve, and therefore have no one to blame but themselves for the coming changes.
I'll make a deal with all the dog hunters; If my bow/muzzleloader or rifle ever gets out and onto your property and disturbs your hunt, you have my express permission to shoot it or dispose of it as you see fit if I can do the same to your hunting equipment. Sounds reasonable to me.
I am not totally against dog hunting for deer (thought never even crossed my mind for other game animals except maybe cougar). The problem lies with the way it is currently conducted. It is far too easy to hide behind nondescript and vague laws. My dog cant read; I'm just recovering my dog; the dog got out/away; it's a fox dog....and the list goes on. I have a feeling that deer hunting with dogs' days are limited due to poor management practices by those who partake, even if it's only a small number who do the damage. If there is one thing I have learned being in the Navy for 18 years, it's perception is everything. One person being lazy or not being on their toes can be the prime reason to cause an enemy to attack. Dog hunters have made a poor name for themselve, and therefore have no one to blame but themselves for the coming changes.
I'll make a deal with all the dog hunters; If my bow/muzzleloader or rifle ever gets out and onto your property and disturbs your hunt, you have my express permission to shoot it or dispose of it as you see fit if I can do the same to your hunting equipment. Sounds reasonable to me.
lol classic. lol Ahhhhhhhhhh, dont know what to even say about that post I guess there are a few of your kind in every crowd.
02-20-2008 | 04:54 PM
#150
Fork Horn
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From: Fauquier Co. VA
RE: Running Dogs In VA
ORIGINAL: SwampCollie
Dog running is no more a past time than market hunting for waterfowl was. A tradition is turkey on thanksgiving, a beer on your 18th (now 21st) birthday, dinner on the ground after church... those are traditions. Hunting is a tradition, but how it is done varies greatly. Fact is, the terrain and deer herd densities in the SE part of VA lend themselves to dog hunting. You have basically three types of hunting conditions: fields, super thick new cutovers, and swamps. None of these are really all that easy to hunt without the use of dogs... sure it can be done, but do you think you can effectively manage the herd this way? Look at what is happening in northern VA?
I agree with you. Human encroachment and hunter indifference is to blame. When someone buys 5 acres in the middle of 500 a hunt club used to hunt, they need to be respectful of the land owner's right to be there. It doesn't matter how may decades you've been hunting there... a man has a right to his property. When dog clubs decide to run all over his land, this most likely retired baby boomer is going to pick up the phone and call his lawmaker and the media. I'm tired of seeing "hunters" stand on Rte 14 in King and Queen county in the middle of the day on my ride home from my duck blinds. I'm fed up with shooting escaped, rib-showing thin walkers in May running pregnant does and busting up my spring turkey hunts on private land. The answer is for dog clubs to start taking ownership in their sport, instead of hiding behind the "its our tradition" crap, they need to man up and police their own... or it will be the end of their way of hunting forever.
ORIGINAL: deepzak
As was mentioned earlier, Slavery was a tradition in a large area of our country. In my opinion, some traditions need to be done away with. Anyone care to disagree with this point?
As was mentioned earlier, Slavery was a tradition in a large area of our country. In my opinion, some traditions need to be done away with. Anyone care to disagree with this point?
Dog running doesn't have to end, it does however need to be changed. There are far to many unenforcable laws. The Game Wardens know this and therefore rarely even try to enforce them. The law makers know this but don't care, their votes have basically been bought and paid for. It only makes financial sense for them to keep things the way they are. There is a group of people out there touting to be for all hunters rights, but when a bill is introduced to expand and further hunting rights for all hunters, they join HSUS in opposing itThis group is in total denial about the law breaking some of their members doing, it's never their fault, and all they tell you is to call the GW (who knows it's an un-enforcable law).
This group is in total denial about the law breaking some of their members doing, it's never their fault, and all they tell you is to call the GW (who knows it's an un-enforcable law).
The deer population in NOVAis a resultof goodhabitat and a lack of access for hunters. You would have to admit that most of the land in NOVA is "huntable" and the deer numbers could be controlled by bowhunters if they had access to more property.
Running deer with dogs was never popular in NOVA andtoday it wouldn't be practical.