Wolves in Idaho.. a must see
 

This is whats happing in the Northwest..These were madated by U.S. Fish andf Wildlife (aka U.S. Goverment ) Pictures were taken from a tree stand in Idaho Attachment 7235

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Those are amazing shots

That's what wolves do. Those pics have made the rounds here at least twice already.

the strong survive

Wow I had no idear their were moose,or wolves in Idaho...I guess I was thinken of Ohio or something...hmmm who knows what I was thinking...anyways awsome shots did you do it or was it someone else that took em?

who ever took those shots may still be in there tree stand!

Does P.E.T.A know about this. This is an outrage.

nomorewolves, please give us some context here. Why does this upset you? And what do you mean "these were mandated by the US Gov't."?

By "us", you mean "you".

Live in wolf country and you wouldn't be asking that.

Many years ago the wolves were put to almost complete obliteration... and with good reason. Where wolves are, they quickly mess the micro-eco-system within their immediate area. They can quickly decimate game herds where ever they are. Around here where the wolves are at, the deer are very little.

Problem is that there's too many of them in one area. To have them spread out in smaller numbers would be more tolerable, but when they are under the Fed's protection, they multiply like rabbits and blow out other predators.... like coyotes and possibly some fox.

I'm not offended by the pics, as that's what wolves do, but let their numbers grow and then you'll start to realize the problem.

Not long ago the wolves were taken off the endangered list and then they were over-seen by their respective states, but the bunny-huggers cried too loud and now the wolves are back on the endangered list and controlled by the gov.

When the wolves' numbers are large, they are not tolerated anywhere that I know of. Like any animal, their numbers need to be controlled.

iSnipe

"Like any animal, their numbers need to be controlled"

Sounds to me like it's time to open a wolf season in Idaho !

We, the people of Idaho wanted No part of having Wolves in Our State ! They take MORE than the weak, They can kill just to kill and not even eat. They don't stop with just game either. If you are a rancher they can kill your stock. These wolves came from Canada by way of the U.S. Goverment. What happen to States Rights ? This was the first year we were able to hunt them, but only a limited #. Bunny huggers are always going to court to tie the hands of the hunters. Why is it that a small group of people have such control over the majority. I have hunted here before wolves and know what our state can produce.

Okay, now your initial comment makes sense.

The Federal Gov't doesn't give a rat's ass about the Constitution and hasn't for a long time. Didn't you know? :sad:

Because there is an underlying agenda, that's why, and more often than not, your vote doesn't mean squat. The country gets more and more tyrannical as time passes regardless of which party is in power. That's why I like the saying, "It's not left vs. right, it's the STATE vs. YOU."

Oh, and by the way, if I lived where wolves were a clear problem but my government prohibited me from killing them, I'd make damn sure I wouldn't get caught and shoot them anyway.

Sounds like the "three S" rule needs to be enforced.......

The problem is not that there are wolves, but that the tree-huggers have successfully prevented the intelligent and common-sense management of their numbers. Once introduced into the Yellowstone ecosystem, they have been allowed to expand their range and numbers with absolutely no control. Had a proper management plan been put in place to control their numbers, we would not see nearly the damage they are causing. When predator numbers are not controled, they will decimate the prey population until lack of food becomes a limiting factor to predator populations. The only way to create a sustainable balance without letting extreme back-and-forth movement of wolf/prey populations play out over the next few decades is to SHOOT MORE WOLVES. We manage all other large animal populations, it is nothing short of assinine that wolves get an exception.

And yes, I hunt areas where wolves are a problem. It does not bother me that they are there, but it does bother me that they only recently got the ability to manage them.

Wasn't Sarah Palin shooting wolves out of a helicopter or something?

Anyway, PETA always wins because the "kill this animal, so I can go out and kill that one" never wins.

They figure let the wolves do the work. What was is that the mercenaries used to say? Kill em all, let God sort them out.

Anyhooo...

and MN and WI

Having a competitor for your quarry sucks whether it's a hunter in the next tree or a pack of wolves on the ground. We have a similar problem here with coyotes, and while hunting them is an option not many people do that here. The only viable option is the same one I'm going to suggest to you:

Adapt. The wolves adapted to us by avoiding us, and now that they can't avoid us it's our turn to adapt.

Would have been better if those shots had been taken with an AR15...

They already did! This year actually. In fact the 1st harvest was by a member of this site. He posted all the hate mail he got in the big game forum.

Wolves, yotes, ferals, I have no use for wild canines of any type. More of them, less game for us , its pretty simple actually.

The wolves need to hunt for sustenance. While it is true that many hunters, like myself, hunt for food, our very existence does not depend on our success. Just wondering why you think its OK for humans to hunt but not wolves? I realize that there are other points of view on this topic, so I really want to know how others feel.

With respect-
Wildbill51

I agree with you Wildbill, but I don't live in a wolf state. Thing about the pictures though, I guess if the guy really wanted the moose, he could have shot. Of course, then he'd have to shoot the wolves to keep them from attacking him. Or do they?

Dunno

Frankly I've always been a little disturbed by the self-serving attitude of some hunters that game species exist solely for our hunting pleasure. I'm not self-centered enough to believe this is a defendable point-of-view; plenty of people outside hunters enjoy the outdoors so I hardly see why our viewpoint should be the ONLY one that matters.

If you approach the issue with the starting position that hunting is the only use of the outdoors that matters, you practically guarantee that your message will not be well-received by those that do not hunt and for good reason.

That being said, the majority of the money that is pumped into the preservation of wildlife comes from hunting -- either directly or indirectly. Therefore, it makes complete sense that while not everyone hunts, steps must be taken to maintain viable hunting populations of game or the future of those game animals will be placed in jeopardy. What would happen to the budget of Colorado Fish and Game if the elk were decimated and they stopped selling elk licenses? What would happen to the local economies if the money pumped into outfitters and other local services stopped, and local landowners no longer had income for leasing hunting rights due to wolf over-predation?

It is obviously a false argument to state that wolves and huntable populations of game cannot co-exist; Canada and Alaska invalidate that argument. However, it cannot happen without sound management of the wolves, which is what we lack in the lower-48.

I have seen what happens when only hunters crying for higher game numbers are heard. It has resulted in rampant property damage and ridiculous over-population in the area where I grew up. It's bad for the locals, bad for the land (extermination of undergrowth), and bad for hunters in the end (lower quality animals). I hope for a balanced approach based on sound ecology, science and economics, not bleeding-heart tree-hugging or narrow-view self-interest.

Because Im one of those funny guys who holds humans in a higher regard than animals. Termites, ****roaches, mice rats etc. need to eat too but you wouldnt tolerate them in feeding on something you want for yourself, like say your house, right? Why is it different for wolves? Being at the top of the food chain I dont believe humans and animals have equal rights to natural resources.

Yes why do the wolves bother everyone so much? I can understand farmers with them killing sheep/livestock, but what the pack is doing is hunting. Trying to STAY ALIVE. It's like people getting mad when we go to the grocery store. . . .:hit:
BigBuck95:mad:

SPANIEL-
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!!! A healthy wolf population= a healthy game animal herd. :s13:
BigBuck95:hit:

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Here is one writers' perspective. . . . .

I hear you about OH whats the harm let them eat......WRONG Wrong. You don't live here !! Lets put some of these wolves in your State !! New York, first on my List. Them tell me its ok if they need to eat. These Wolves will kill just to KILL !! try talking to the Ranchers, Try talking to the 60 dog owners who lost their pets. These wolves are big breeders, a female can have 6 pups. We can't hunt them like other predators. We in Idaho will gladly send some to you and laugh just like Canada laughed when we got OURS.

Easy there, were not all wolf lovers here.;)

I love how guys who hunt deer, turkeys, ducks, rabbits, even coyotes , all of a sudden get all uptight about killing wolves. why, cause they look cool on a t shirt? Do you really feel a kinship to a wolf because you feel its a hunter like you, gimme a break! Isnt every wild animal we hunt just "trying to survive" or "doing what comes natural"? Id love to know why some animals deserve to overpopulate more than others?

Explain to me while Isle Royale National Park, an island in the middle of a lake with no escape for its captive moose population, has had wolves on it for decades yet there remains a very viable moose population?

You sensationalize the wolf issue, it's propoganda as bad as the greenies and does nothing but hurt legitimate efforts and rational efforts to try and lobby for hunting and control of wolf populations. Yes, they are a problem. Yes, they hurt game populations, ranchers, and pet owners. But devil incarnate they are not.

I have hunted and lived in areas with wolves.

I don't know about some isle, its not the same conditions we have here, and we do not have a problem with over population of turkeys, ducks, or rabbits. These thing are a bad problem and we as a State said No, we don't need them. Let the State have their own choice if the want them. Our Governer said NO thanks, but we were forced to have them. Lets put them in NY, you guys have plenty of room upstate, or how about a super nasty preditor fish in one of your prize trout lakes, and not be able to fish for them till the courts say its OK. And when they say its OK only take what they allow.

To me there wouldnt be a problem with the states or government if ppl would just keep there trap shut. If there hurting YOU significantly then take matters in your hands just dont run round braggin to everyone and there brother! Heck with feds, heck with the state. To me if something is a foul on MY property ill do as please but I also keep shut about what I do. :wink:

I have a feeling you misread my last post. I was pretty much saying turkey,duck and rabbit hunters have no place to get uptight about hunting wolves. I do not want wolves in NY, and I think every hunter in the western states should get at least 1 wolf tag.

"Isle Royale National Park, an island in the middle of a lake" where hunting is not permitted ,so MR.wolf takes care of business ..where i hunt we have 2 seperate packs of wolves and let me tell you the 4 legged poachers are doing a great job at butchering our moose ..but they only hunt moose in the winter because the lakes are frozzen over and they can't get at the beavers [beavers are they're main diet ] in the winter they don,t have a choice kill moose or starve to death ..we had a small deer population where we hunt moose the deer were wiped out completely in the winter of 2007 ..i found the bones in the winter deer yard and saw with my own eyes the damage they did ..

on ANTICOSTY island 125miles long by 25 miles wide we have the biggest deer population in north america ,we also are allowed 2 deer and the deer population never goes down ..THE REASON IS THAT WE HAVE NO WOLVES ON THE ISLAND ...

I don't have a problem in general with re-introduction of wolves into areas where they used to populate, but I do have a problem with what it represents and how it is done.

If the wolves were reasonably managed and hunted to keep their populations in check, then it would be fine. In this case, however, it represents an advancing front by the tree-hugging anti-hunting groups. As a result, it will likely bring overpopulation of wolves, game management, and livestock issues.

Bottom line - let them come if they can be liberally hunted. Don't bring them back if they will be over protected.

I don't have a problem with a moderate number of wolves if they are allowed to be hunted. My problem is that they are over protected. There was a bunch of complaining around here about 10 years ago about the rising grizzly population, people fearing that they would kill all the game and livestock, those people don't complain about grizzlies any more, they complain about the wolves now. We still can't hunt grizzlies, but there are more grizzlies around here than wolves.

I kicked myself this fall when I was elk hunting, saw a real nice black wolf but I didn't have a tag. I thought that it wasn't worth the $17 because I probably wouldn't see one, I hate being wrong.

My point was that the wolf is being characterized as this insatiable killer who will obliterate every game population within reach. This is clearly not true as I pointed out an island where both the wolves and moose are, for all intensive purposes, imprisoned, yet the moose seem to do just fine. And these are the same Canadian timerwolves reintroduced out West. In other words, the brand put on the wolves by the anti-wolfers is almost as overblown as the cutesy brand put on them by the greenies.

If every hunter had a wolf tag you'd see pretty decent numbers taken. IMHO MT makes a mistake by charging non-residents $200+ for a tag, I wouldn't buy a lottery ticket (which is what a wolf tag is) for that but for $15-25 like a resident I'd sure have one and take an opportunity to help out.

[QUOTE=spaniel;3562928]My point was that the wolf is being characterized as this insatiable killer who will obliterate every game population within reach. This is clearly not true as I pointed out an island where both the wolves and moose are, for all intensive purposes, imprisoned, yet the moose seem to do just fine. And these are the same Canadian timerwolves reintroduced out West. In other words, the brand put on the wolves by the anti-wolfers is almost as overblown as the cutesy brand put on them by the greenies.QUOTE]

I am by no means a "Greenie" in this sense, but people that are anti wolf, imo, CAN go a touch overboard, SOMETIMES. The farmers/animal owners have real problems with cattle/pets being killed, thats totally cool. Those that just want to sound off, i dont know. If you have a genuine reason, thats totally understandable.
But then again, ya know what? I can't talk. I don't know for real. So i am leaving this post. Good luck. Wolves could be good and bad.
I have no idea. Please fill me in. I am not trying to be sarcastic, i am absolutly serious. What are they doing??? Thanks for the info
BigBuck95:action-smiley-099:

our moose population has gone down ..in the spring the black bears kill and eat the calfs ..in the winter the wolves take they're share also ..what i want to state is if the predators are OVERPOPULATED than the moose population will normaly drop ..i can shoot all the wolves that i see[ with my small game licence $ 17.00] no limit up here in northern quebec .they are also trapped by profesional trappers and still they're population is on the rise ..

way up north were we caribou hunt we have thousands of caribou and not enough hunters .there the wolves keep the herd HEALTHY ..so all in all the wolfs have they're place in nature ..

bottom line is ..wolfs have to be controlled were hunters hunt. ..

Seems like common sense to me...too bad common sense isn't so common...

LOL! Many are way ahead of you there. They're the Wolf Militia. SSS.

iSnipe