Squirrel hunting AR-15
12-14-2007 | 04:12 PM
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RE: Squirrel hunting AR-15
i looked at a mytbusters episode if you shoot straight up any bullet will come back non lethal because it tumbles and can not reach the speed to kill.
but a bullet fired a angle keeps it's spin and since it is spinning it has less resistance then a tumbling bullet and is deadly.
it does not matter what bullet if it weight is high enough it is deadly weather it goes 1/2 a mile or 5 miles there are 22s and .223 bullets that has the same weight just the .223 goes farther.
and since they go up in the air terminal velocity matters
because when it is coming back down it's speed is from gravity which is
terminal velocity if a bullet goes 3000fpsitdoes not matterbecause when it starts to fall it will only reach it's terminal velocity
look at it like this if your are going 50 mph north and stop and pt your car in reverse and can only go 20 mph in reverse then you will not be going 50 mph any more
if a bullet travels 3000 fps out of a gun and can only ravel 1000 feet per second from terminal velocity it does not matter if it goes .Miles or 5 miles it will only be going 1000fps
and the debate was not how far a bullet goes but how much deadly it is falling down to the earth
but a bullet fired a angle keeps it's spin and since it is spinning it has less resistance then a tumbling bullet and is deadly.
it does not matter what bullet if it weight is high enough it is deadly weather it goes 1/2 a mile or 5 miles there are 22s and .223 bullets that has the same weight just the .223 goes farther.
and since they go up in the air terminal velocity matters
because when it is coming back down it's speed is from gravity which is
terminal velocity if a bullet goes 3000fpsitdoes not matterbecause when it starts to fall it will only reach it's terminal velocity
look at it like this if your are going 50 mph north and stop and pt your car in reverse and can only go 20 mph in reverse then you will not be going 50 mph any more
if a bullet travels 3000 fps out of a gun and can only ravel 1000 feet per second from terminal velocity it does not matter if it goes .Miles or 5 miles it will only be going 1000fps
and the debate was not how far a bullet goes but how much deadly it is falling down to the earth
ORIGINAL: turkyturd13
terminal velocity doesnt come into play here,thats ONLY when a bullet is fired straight up at a perfect angle.99.99% of the time your going to be shooting at an angle,so with common sense,a 223 at 3000 fps is gonna go alot farther than a 22 at 1280 fps.
terminal velocity doesnt come into play here,thats ONLY when a bullet is fired straight up at a perfect angle.99.99% of the time your going to be shooting at an angle,so with common sense,a 223 at 3000 fps is gonna go alot farther than a 22 at 1280 fps.
12-15-2007 | 09:55 AM
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RE: Squirrel hunting AR-15
look at it like this if your are going 50 mph north and stop and pt your car in reverse and can only go 20 mph in reverse then you will not be going 50 mph any more
12-15-2007 | 10:52 AM
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RE: Squirrel hunting AR-15
though i would but that in there for those of us that do not understand the fact that something wil only fall a set speed no matter how hgh it goes or how fast it gets there it must stop to come back down
ORIGINAL: il coyote
Wonderful explanation.
look at it like this if your are going 50 mph north and stop and pt your car in reverse and can only go 20 mph in reverse then you will not be going 50 mph any more
12-15-2007 | 12:02 PM
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RE: Squirrel hunting AR-15
ORIGINAL: Howler
And there in lays the problem, the shot shell pellet, a #6, 7 1/2, or 8 shot whcih would normally be used for small game hunting, is NOT even close to being the same size or weight. SO, the heavier rifle bullets, although falling the same speed, will penetrate further than a shotgun pellet, or even several shotgun pellets, because they are spread out, so they don't carry, or deliver, the same kinetic energy upon impact.
The reason I mention thatshotgun pellets don't travel as far is because rareis the occasion that you're shooting straight up, there will be some horizontal travel, there for, the rifle bulletWILL travel further horizontally than the shotgun pellets ever will.
I certainly understand terminal velocity, BUT I also undertand that a heavier object moving at the same speed is going to deliver more kinetic energy upon impact.Would ya rather have a bowling ball drop off a roof onto your head, or a 50 gr. 223 bullet. Heck, by your way of thinkin', they both will do the same amount of damage! After all, they have the same terminal velocity, Right, Ohhh, But wait, just maybe, one will deliver more kinetic energy upon impact, because it weighs more. Just maybe. Do ay think![8D]A #7 1/2 pellet only weighs about 2 gr. and a bullet will weigh 40 or 50 gr. SO, about 20 or 25 pellets would have to strike the same exact spot at the same exact time to deliver the same kinetic energy that a single bullet would. Look at the difference for yourself.
The pic. is a 50 gr. 22 cal. bullet with 3 #7.5 lead pellets!
so if a shot shell pellet weight is the same or close to the same as a 22 or .223 then it is just as deadly coming back down.
The reason I mention thatshotgun pellets don't travel as far is because rareis the occasion that you're shooting straight up, there will be some horizontal travel, there for, the rifle bulletWILL travel further horizontally than the shotgun pellets ever will.
I certainly understand terminal velocity, BUT I also undertand that a heavier object moving at the same speed is going to deliver more kinetic energy upon impact.Would ya rather have a bowling ball drop off a roof onto your head, or a 50 gr. 223 bullet. Heck, by your way of thinkin', they both will do the same amount of damage! After all, they have the same terminal velocity, Right, Ohhh, But wait, just maybe, one will deliver more kinetic energy upon impact, because it weighs more. Just maybe. Do ay think![8D]A #7 1/2 pellet only weighs about 2 gr. and a bullet will weigh 40 or 50 gr. SO, about 20 or 25 pellets would have to strike the same exact spot at the same exact time to deliver the same kinetic energy that a single bullet would. Look at the difference for yourself.
The pic. is a 50 gr. 22 cal. bullet with 3 #7.5 lead pellets!
12-15-2007 | 12:54 PM
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RE: Squirrel hunting AR-15
ok once again if to objects weight is the same and some shot weight is the same as a .223 it just depends on what size of each
they fall at the same speed sicne there weight is the same just if a .223 weight is higher it will travel faster but also as said on myth busters if there shot straight up they stop lose there spin and are not lethal aslo since when does a shotshell flatten out in air it does not matter if one is round and one is pointed there just as deadly but if shot straight up there no either deadly
that is why when you ere that someone was killed from a falling bullet there 2 miles away
how can you say it is more deadly because it goes 5miles i have never read on the side of a bulletbox more deadly because it goes 5 miles not just a mile
the only thing that has more risk from the .223 is the distance which i never said it had the same distance as a 22
they fall at the same speed sicne there weight is the same just if a .223 weight is higher it will travel faster but also as said on myth busters if there shot straight up they stop lose there spin and are not lethal aslo since when does a shotshell flatten out in air it does not matter if one is round and one is pointed there just as deadly but if shot straight up there no either deadly
that is why when you ere that someone was killed from a falling bullet there 2 miles away
how can you say it is more deadly because it goes 5miles i have never read on the side of a bulletbox more deadly because it goes 5 miles not just a mile
the only thing that has more risk from the .223 is the distance which i never said it had the same distance as a 22
12-15-2007 | 01:13 PM
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RE: Squirrel hunting AR-15
First of all stop citing Mythbusters as a credible source, they have said that robin-hooding an arrow is impossible. Wikipedia is not credible either.
No .223 caliber projectile will ever weigh the same as a single #4-8 shot.
People actually DO understand the principle of terminal velocity, But as far as this thread goes, it is far more important to teach firearm safety than to paste physics formulas from wikipedia.
Point is, people can, have, and will continue to be killed from 'stray' bullets. I don't need the internet to tell me otherwise.
I'm not sure if I can post again on this topic, it hurts my head far too much to try and comprehendsome of the posts.
No .223 caliber projectile will ever weigh the same as a single #4-8 shot.
People actually DO understand the principle of terminal velocity, But as far as this thread goes, it is far more important to teach firearm safety than to paste physics formulas from wikipedia.
Point is, people can, have, and will continue to be killed from 'stray' bullets. I don't need the internet to tell me otherwise.
I'm not sure if I can post again on this topic, it hurts my head far too much to try and comprehendsome of the posts.
12-15-2007 | 02:28 PM
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RE: Squirrel hunting AR-15
i agree that people die from falling bullets but how can you not saythat mythbusters and wikapidea is otcredible
ORIGINAL: il coyote
First of all stop citing Mythbusters as a credible source, they have said that robin-hooding an arrow is impossible. Wikipedia is not credible either.
No .223 caliber projectile will ever weigh the same as a single #4-8 shot.
People actually DO understand the principle of terminal velocity, But as far as this thread goes, it is far more important to teach firearm safety than to paste physics formulas from wikipedia.
Point is, people can, have, and will continue to be killed from 'stray' bullets. I don't need the internet to tell me otherwise.
I'm not sure if I can post again on this topic, it hurts my head far too much to try and comprehendsome of the posts.
First of all stop citing Mythbusters as a credible source, they have said that robin-hooding an arrow is impossible. Wikipedia is not credible either.
No .223 caliber projectile will ever weigh the same as a single #4-8 shot.
People actually DO understand the principle of terminal velocity, But as far as this thread goes, it is far more important to teach firearm safety than to paste physics formulas from wikipedia.
Point is, people can, have, and will continue to be killed from 'stray' bullets. I don't need the internet to tell me otherwise.
I'm not sure if I can post again on this topic, it hurts my head far too much to try and comprehendsome of the posts.
