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RE: Squirrel hunting AR-15
whats to keep a 22 from killing some one a mile away or even 1000 feet awa they both go up and coem back down
i would not buy a .223 for squrril but i do not see what the diff is from the 22 going up in the air it is still just as deadly when it comes back down anyone know the weight of a .223 and 22 |
RE: Squirrel hunting AR-15
k i looked this up
for one a item be it a bullet or cannon ball will reach it's terminal velocity at a height thats determined by it's weight so if you have a 22 that ways the same as a.223 it will reach it terminal velocity at the same distance here is the definition of terminal velocity In physics, terminal velocity is the velocity at which the air resistance force of a falling object equals the weight of the object minus the acting force due to air, which halts acceleration and causes speed to remain constant. so two different bullets weighing the same will be just as deadly no matter how high it goes up because they weigh the same even if the bullet goes twice as high it is just as deadly no more no Less then the bullet that goes half as high unless one of the, does not reach terminal velocity which they both will the only thing that make the .223 any worst s it es higher and maybe farther but think about something your standing under a tree shooting near vertical the bullet wont go to far away from straight up it is more likely to get carried by the wind or jet stream i got all my information from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminal_velocity it also shows how to figure the terminal velocity |
RE: Squirrel hunting AR-15
since when does a .22 lr bullet weigh the same as a .223 bullet.
Fact of the matter, both present dangers if shot toward the sky. A major difference is that if they both hit the targetsquirrel, the .223 will keep going much further than the .22lr. That's why so many of us are suggesting the use of a shotgun for shooting squirrels out of tree tops. |
RE: Squirrel hunting AR-15
i looked it up wikapida
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.22_Long_Rifle http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.223_Remington it says a 22long weight is 1.9 to 3.9 ga 40 grain solid weight is 2.6 a .223 is 2.6 to five grams the 40 grain weight is 2.6 and the 55 grain is 3.5 it is the same with shotgun shot shells if they go high enough they high enough to reach terminal velocity it is just as deadly as a 22 or 223 and in fact if a shot shell weight is higher then the 22 it is more deadly the only thing being is that it might not go as far but like what happen on myth busters they shot 9mm .22and i think 7.62 straight up in the air they did not come straight down the were moved by the wind so if you shoot straight up or at a slight angle the bullet will go just as far if it is a .223 22 or shot shell once it reaches the height for terminal velocity it does not matter how much higher it goes really we should not shoot any gun up in the air at even a 500 pound squirrel i wuld also agree that a .223 would more then likely go through a squrril and keep going a 22 might not make it out but when we buy a rifle for deer we buya rifle that will go through a deer what if someone is in the bullet path behind a deer ORIGINAL: Howler since when does a .22 lr bullet weigh the same as a .223 bullet. Fact of the matter, both present dangers if shot toward the sky. A major difference is that if they both hit the targetsquirrel, the .223 will keep going much further than the .22lr. That's why so many of us are suggesting the use of a shotgun for shooting squirrels out of tree tops. |
RE: Squirrel hunting AR-15
one of the ten commandments of gun safety. "be sure of your target AND BEYOND"
this forum is like a train wreck, there is ALWAYS something ludicrous being posted here.. |
RE: Squirrel hunting AR-15
so if you shoot straight up or at a slight angle the bullet will go just as far if it is a .223 22 or shot shell Don't you know the difference between a shotgun shell and how it performs when compared to a rifle. To say the shotgun shell pellets are more deadly is ludicrise, unless being shot from a very close range before the pellets have a chance to disperse. No way, no how. The pellets quickly disperse and loose thier energy. A bunch of pellets at very close range, yes, deadly. BUT we're talking about shooting up into the air. By the time the pellets start coming back down, some of them hitting a target, some of them hitting tree branches, they have gotten so dispersed, that it ain't going to kill someone when they return to earth. Being struck by one pellet is NOT nearly as dangerous as being struck by a bullet. You can look it up all you want, BUT IT AIN'T HAPPENIN! |
RE: Squirrel hunting AR-15
you seem to not understand the concept of terminal velocity.
one thing if two object weight the same and go up high enough to reach the terminal velocity they travel at the same speed and force it does not matter how high it goes be cause gravity will only make it go aset speed so if a shot shell pellet weight is the same or close to the same as a 22 or .223 then it is just as deadly coming back down. because it reaches the same speed and has the same mass. this chart shows the weight of shot shell if you look any thing larger then 7 /1 is the around the same size as the 22 and 223 so it has the same speed coming down just does not go as high up which does not matter since it will reach it max speed before it its the ground also would you rather have one bullet coming at you or 400 pellets the same size even if they spread out there is still a chance. you act like the chance of a .223 hitting someone is 90% but act like the shot shell is like 1% why it is moving the same speed will get pushed by the wind the same and weights the same Table 1. Lead Birdshot [align=center] Shot Number Pellet Diameter (Inches) Average Pellet Weight (Grains) Approximate # of Pellets per Ounce 12 .05 .18 2385 18[/size][/font]19 .06 .25 1750 26[/size][/font]27 .08 .75 585 8 1/2 .085 .88 485 42[font=arial][size=2]43 .09 1.07 410 7 1/2 .095 1.25 350 5859 .11 1.95 225 6667 .12 2.58 170 74[font=arial][size=2]75 .13 3.24 135 82[font=arial][size=2]83 .15 4.86 90 BB .18 8.75 96[font=arial][size=2]97[/align][blockquote] Table 2. Lead Buckshot ORIGINAL: Howler so if you shoot straight up or at a slight angle the bullet will go just as far if it is a .223 22 or shot shell Don't you know the difference between a shotgun shell and how it performs when compared to a rifle. To say the shotgun shell pellets are more deadly is ludicrise, unless being shot from a very close range before the pellets have a chance to disperse. No way, no how. The pellets quickly disperse and loose thier energy. A bunch of pellets at very close range, yes, deadly. BUT we're talking about shooting up into the air. By the time the pellets start coming back down, some of them hitting a target, some of them hitting tree branches, they have gotten so dispersed, that it ain't going to kill someone when they return to earth. Being struck by one pellet is NOT nearly as dangerous as being struck by a bullet. You can look it up all you want, BUT IT AIN'T HAPPENIN! |
RE: Squirrel hunting AR-15
so if a shot shell pellet weight is the same or close to the same as a 22 or .223 then it is just as deadly coming back down. The reason I mention thatshotgun pellets don't travel as far is because rareis the occasion that you're shooting straight up, there will be some horizontal travel, there for, the rifle bulletWILL travel further horizontally than the shotgun pellets ever will. I certainly understand terminal velocity, BUT I also undertand that a heavier object moving at the same speed is going to deliver more kinetic energy upon impact.Would ya rather have a bowling ball drop off a roof onto your head, or a 50 gr. 223 bullet. Heck, by your way of thinkin', they both will do the same amount of damage! After all, they have the same terminal velocity, Right, Ohhh, But wait, just maybe, one will deliver more kinetic energy upon impact, because it weighs more. Just maybe. Do ay think![8D]A #7 1/2 pellet only weighs about 2 gr. and a bullet will weigh 40 or 50 gr. SO, about 20 or 25 pellets would have to strike the same exact spot at the same exact time to deliver the same kinetic energy that a single bullet would. Look at the difference for yourself. The pic. is a 50 gr. 22 cal. bullet with 3 #7.5 lead pellets!  |
RE: Squirrel hunting AR-15
if you look on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.22_Long_Rifle
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.223_Remington it say a 22 nd a 223 weight is about the same given a size bullt bioth 40 grain bullets no 55 grain bullet ORIGINAL: Howler so if a shot shell pellet weight is the same or close to the same as a 22 or .223 then it is just as deadly coming back down. The reason I mention thatshotgun pellets don't travel as far is because rareis the occasion that you're shooting straight up, there will be some horizontal travel, there for, the rifle bulletWILL travel further horizontally than the shotgun pellets ever will. here what a 50 grain 22 look after itcomes out  it is blunt not pointed I certainly understand terminal velocity, BUT I also undertand that a heavier object moving at the same speed is going to deliver more kinetic energy upon impact.Would ya rather have a bowling ball drop off a roof onto your head, or a 50 gr. 223 bullet. Heck, by your way of thinkin', they both will do the same amount of damage! After all, they have the same terminal velocity, Right, Ohhh, But wait, just maybe, one will deliver more kinetic energy upon impact, because it weighs more. Just maybe. Do ay think![8D]A #7 1/2 pellet only weighs about 2 gr. and a bullet will weigh 40 or 50 gr. SO, about 20 or 25 pellets would have to strike the same exact spot at the same exact time to deliver the same kinetic energy that a single bullet would. Look at the difference for yourself. The pic. is a 50 gr. 22 cal. bullet with 3 #7.5 lead pellets!
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RE: Squirrel hunting AR-15
i also do agree that it is not a great idea to shoot a .223 or even a 22 up in the ar but i also do not think it is a good idea to shot evena sotshell number 7 1/2 up either i have never hearfo a bulletfrom a hunters gun comign down and killing someoen usasly it is a lot of people shooting alot ofgun up in the air on new years or in iraq like they do over the it the ark47s i seen the other day where a person got killed by a 7.62 that feel ot of the air
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